Quarterbacking is in steep decline

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I have been hearing this off and on for the last 20 years. I'm very skeptical.

I always hear QB is in decline
I think the issue is not talent but knowledge
Today's college qb's don't get to learn the game as well as in the past but the talent isn't much different
Only a very few college QB are nfl quality
I think with today's QB you need go take more time to develope the mental part of the game with them
The problem is teams rush the most talented guys out there and force them to learn by fire
If more teams would take the top talent and let them sit for a year or even two I think a few more could develope into nfl quality QB
I don't think there is less talent there so much as less total knowledge of the reading part of the position
 

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I chuckle every time I hear it. Dallas needs to draft a quarterback. The Cowboys aren't grooming anybody to replace Romo. We need a good backup.

My question would be.......who? What teams have this strapping lad in waiting as a surefire "next" guy in their organization. Most starters in the NFL are lousy these days. The backups are even worse.

Fast forward five years when Peyton, Brees, Brady, and Romo are retired. Who will be the top five quarterbacks circa 2020?

Perhaps an aged Aaron Rodgers in his twilight, Andrew Luck, Andy Dalton, Russell Wilson, and Matt Ryan? Seriously? I realize others yet drafted could work their way into that fold, but are any of these young guys inspiring images as future all-time greats?

Factor in the complete lack of training colleges are providing quarterbacks for the NFL, and it boggles my mind why anybody would waste a first round pick on a quarterback these days. The most recent picks have been so gawd awful, that we ladle Andrew Luck with praise befitting of Johnny Unitas. The fact is, there is still much for Luck to learn, and he's an interception machine at times.

The nature of the QB position was already a crapshoot. Now, factor in this epidemic of one-read high school read-option offenses that have taken over college football, and the future doesn't look so bright.

Let's take a look at the last 10 years of quarterbacks taken in the first three rounds:

Jameis Winston ROOKIE
Marcus Marriotta ROOKIE
Garrett Grayson ROOKIE
Sean Mannion ROOKIE
Blake Bortles PENDING
Johnny Manziel BUST
Teddy Bridgewater PENDING
Derek Carr PENDING
Jimmy Garoppolo PENDING
EJ Manuel BUST
Geno Smith BUST
Mike Glennon BUST
Matt Barkley BUST

Andrew Luck
Robert Griffin BUST
Ryan Tannehill PENDING
Brandon Weeden BUST
Brock Osweiler PENDING
Russell Wilson (Overrated, but OK)
Nick Foles LIKELY BUST
Cam Newton PENDING
Jake Locker BUST
Blaine Gabbert BUST
Christian Ponder BUST

Andy Dalton
Colin Kaepernick VIRTUAL BUST
Ryan Mallett BUST
Sam Bradford BUST
Tim Tebow BUST
Jimmy Clausen BUST
Colt McCoy BUST

Matt Stafford
Mark Sanchez BUST
Josh Freeman BUST
Pat White BUST

Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco

Brian Brohm BUST
Chad Henne BUST
Kevin O'Connell BUST
JaMarcus Russell BUST
Brady Quinn BUST
Kevin Kolb BUST
John Beck BUST
Drew Stanton BUST
Trent Edwards BUST
Vince Young BUST
Matt Leinart BUST

Jay Cutler VIRTUAL BUST
Kellen Clemens BUST
Tavaris Jackson BUST
Charlie Whitehurst BUST


It isn't pretty. There are precious few quarterbacks on the planet capable of playing at an elite level in the NFL, and Dallas is lucky to have one. This notion that you just groom somebody up to be next sounds awesome, but it's comes with an incredibly high failure rate along with it.

These days, quarterbacks are going to take 4-5 years to prepare because of the simplistic college offensive schemes, so why spend a high draft pick on a guy that will become a free agent at the time he MIGHT be ready?

I believe the level of play at the quarterback position is going to take a steep decline in the coming years. The hope is, college recruits will start to demand pro style offenses to sign with schools because the money and draft position starts drying up in the NFL for quarterbacks.

Until then, it's best not to waste valuable draft picks on them unless unusually sure about a player. Rather, go get somebody in free agency when you need them. Let somebody else take the risk and spend the time developing them, and focus draft picks on more predictable commodities.


This is all based on how long and if Romo wants to keep going. I love Romo but he doesnt seem like the player that will stick around for many more years. Maybe I'mean wrong but I still firmly believe we should definitely still look into someone to groom. If that is someone else's backup or draft it doesn't hurt to look at life without Romo and get ready for it. Now, I'm not saying waste a top pick for one out of necessity but if a chance comes about in the next 2 years and an Aaron Rodgers slide happens (qb with head on straight) I'd be ready pull that trigger.
 

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I always hear QB is in decline
I think the issue is not talent but knowledge
Today's college qb's don't get to learn the game as well as in the past but the talent isn't much different
Only a very few college QB are nfl quality
I think with today's QB you need go take more time to develope the mental part of the game with them
The problem is teams rush the most talented guys out there and force them to learn by fire
If more teams would take the top talent and let them sit for a year or even two I think a few more could develope into nfl quality QB
I don't think there is less talent there so much as less total knowledge of the reading part of the position

Again, any argument that any NFL position is declining is absolutely stupid and ludicrously inaccurate.
The game has produced better and better athletes and thus players.

You didn't have full-time players until the mid 70's.
Yet now even high school kids are year round athletes.
We know more about nutrition, skill development plus the obvious strength and conditioning which NEVER stops

QBs today are asked to do so much more than any QB was in the 70's or 80's that it really isn't even comparable.
And they are being chased by defensive players 70-100 pounds bigger than what the guys faced back in the 80s, much less prior to that.

You hear it because old people are largely biased in favor of old things.
 

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Joe Montana 92.3 - Tom Brady 96.5
Dan Marino 86.4 - Peyton Manning 96.9
Brett Favre 86.0 - Aaron Rodgers 106.5
Jim Kelly 84.4 - Philip Rivers 96.1
Steve McNair 82.8 - Ben Roethlisberger 94.2
Neil O'Donnell 81.8 - Matt Ryan 91.2
Troy Aikman 81.6 - Drew Brees 95.4
Randall Cunningham 81.5 - Russell Wilson N/A
Warren Moon 80.9 - Joe Flacco 84.5
Boomer Esiason 81.1 - Carson Palmer 87.1
Jeff George 80.4 - Jay Cutler 85.2
John Elway 79.9 - Tony Romo 97.6
Jim Harbaugh 77.6 - Andy Dalton 87.8
Drew Bledsoe 77.1 - Andrew Luck 85.6
Kordell Stewart 70.7 - Cam Newton 85.3

My list wasnt comprehensive, so matching them up was cute, but of no substance.

Old guys average QB rating: 81.6
Current guys average: 92.1

5 old QB's went to superbowls while posting UNDER average QB ratings.
1 current QB went to a superbowl while posting under average QB ratings.


Now to go back to my original statement....it was MUCH easier to find someone average than currently. This is because we are in a league more reliant on QB's. Because it is easier, average guys no longer go anywhere. Only 1 below average QB has been to/won a superbowl, whereas in the past 5 QB's went or won.

In other words, as I was saying, average no longer cuts it. Tons of QB's are average. Now, you have to hunt and hunt and hunt to find the 1 superstar that is way above average. Now if you trot someone out that is average, you can well expect to not sniff a superbowl. Whereas before, you could find and trot someone out that was average and had a 500% better chance of appearing or winning.

Guys that would be superstars back then are just average now and havent sniffed a superbowl.

Ala, my conclusion: much harder to find a QB today than back 20-30 years ago.

To find out if a Qb had a below average Qb rating you would have to compare it to the average Qb rating in their era.
 

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To find out if a Qb had a below average Qb rating you would have to compare it to the average Qb rating in their era.

Which is what I did...or did you not read the entire thing?

Recap:

Old guys average QB rating: 81.6
Current guys average: 92.1

5 old QB's went to superbowls while posting UNDER average QB ratings.
1 current QB went to a superbowl while posting under average QB ratings.
 

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Which is what I did...or did you not read the entire thing?

Recap:

Old guys average QB rating: 81.6
Current guys average: 92.1

5 old QB's went to superbowls while posting UNDER average QB ratings.
1 current QB went to a superbowl while posting under average QB ratings.

The only five teams from 1978-2000 that had a below average passer rating and made it to the Super Bowl were the 1979 Rams, 1980 Raiders, 1982 Dolphins, 1995 Steelers and 2000 Ravens.

It sure seems to me that having less good Qbs in a league would make it easier to get to a Super Bowl with a bad Qb.
 
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The only five teams from 1978-2000 that had a below average passer rating and made it to the Super Bowl were the 1979 Rams, 1980 Raiders, 1982 Dolphins, 1995 Steelers and 2000 Ravens.

It sure seems to me that having less good Qbs in a league would make it easier to get to a Super Bowl with a bad Qb.

LOL...troy aikman was a below passer rating QB...so quit trying to blow smoke at me because the facts dont support your stance.
 

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LOL...troy aikman was a below passer rating QB...so quit trying to blow smoke at me because the facts dont support your stance.

What years did Troy Aikman play in the Super Bowl and have a below average passer rating? Was it in 1992 when he was 3rd in the league? Or 1993 when he was 2nd? How about 1995? Nope, he finished 3rd again.

The facts don't support your assertion.
 

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What years did Troy Aikman play in the Super Bowl and have a below average passer rating? Was it in 1992 when he was 3rd in the league? Or 1993 when he was 2nd? How about 1995? Nope, he finished 3rd again.

The facts don't support your assertion.

Oh, so you want to use everyone else's career averages but cherry pick troy's...hey, if you're gonna be bias, dont try and hide it...just come out and say it
 

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Oh, so you want to use everyone else's career averages but cherry pick troy's...hey, if you're gonna be bias, dont try and hide it...just come out and say it

I'm not looking at people's career averages. I look at each year individually and compare it to the league average for that particular year.

Additionally, Troy was a top 10 passer in 1991, 1994 and 1998. He was above league average every year from 1991-1999.
 

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Absolutely not, but don't invest a first round pick in a QB that won't be ready for 4 years and probably won't pan out. Just draft one in the 3rd-4th round every year until you find one worth a crap.

we don't do even that. we don't do anything much at all.
 

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I can't hardly watch College Football. I know it sounds crazy but I'm just not a big fan of it. The Big 12 defenses are atrocious. The QB's throw to guys that don't have a defender within 10 yards of them. Baylor and TCU score 50 and 60 a game. I know there are conferences that are better then that but I just don't see great QB play anywhere. I heard about Goff for weeks and then he throws 5 interceptions against Utah. The spread offense has all these dual threat QB's but the problem is that most of those guys are way better at running than throwing. In the NFL the QB have tight windows to throw in and these guys come out of college and there used to guys having all kinds of separation and can't adjust to it.

thats the issue i have with college football too. spread offenses with dual threat qbs who are better at running than throwing are boring to watch. and the defenses are atrocious. is it still this way? i haven't watched in awhile. which offenses are pro style now a days?
 

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The following busts are wearing Super Bowl rings:

Trent Dilfer
Jim Plunkett
Doug Williams

The moral of the story?

A career should last the length of a career before it is labeled a bust.

And:

Players, particularly quarterbacks, improve with experience.
 

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I think the depth of QB in the league is certainly in decline. After the top 10 qbs (however you list them) take a good hard look at what is starting.
 
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