Question About Possible Trade For WR Roy Williams...

[CaptainAmerica]

...I don't follow all of this as closely as some of you, so bear with me here and help me with this question...

If Roy Williams has only one year left on his deal with the Lions and the Lions would probably have to franchise him to keep him after next year and that doesn't seem like a realistic probablity given the other WRs they have, their other personnel needs and their salary cap issues, then WHY would we give them a first round pick this year if he's probably going to be available next year and he wants to play for Dallas.

I understand if RW hits the open market any team could come in and make him a ridiculous Al Davis offer, (so we aren't guaranteed we would get him on the open market), but if you are negotiating with Detroit now, in March/April 2008, a first round pick seems like a pretty steep price if you know they are in the position of only being able to keep him one more year. They have to get something or lose him.

Wasn't Marshall Faulk traded for only a second round pick while he was in the prime of his career?

It just seems to me that if the situation with Roy Williams and the Lions is the way it's been explained on this board then giving up a first round pick to get him one year sooner than when he hits the open market is a pretty high price.

All that being said, I would love to have him!

But once again I ask, what am I missing?

 

[theogt]

It's just the marketplace. And that seems to be the price. Why is a gallon of milk $4? If you want to get him it's going to take somewhere between a 2nd and a 1st.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Thats only the marketplace if youre bidding against yourself. There have been conflicting reports as to what the Lions are asking and the reports of other teams inquiring about him are few and far between.

 

[theogt]

Thats only the marketplace if youre bidding against yourself. There have been conflicting reports as to what the Lions are asking and the reports of other teams inquiring about him are few and far between.

The reports of teams inquiring about Peyton Manning for a trade are non-existent, but I guarantee you there would be a market there for him that would require much more than a 1st round pick. In other words, just because YOU haven't read reports that teams want him doesn't mean squat.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Thats only the marketplace if youre bidding against yourself. There have been conflicting reports as to what the Lions are asking and the reports of other teams inquiring about him are few and far between.

Supposedly the Eagles were interested, I think.

I'm pretty much with CA, though. If -- IF -- the Lions really can't afford him and could possibly let him go, we could just wait and get him without giving up a pick.

But some Lions fans have told me they'd keep him through next year and then franchise him, so we wouldn't have a shot at him for a couple of years. If that could be true but they'd still listen to trade offers, a low first wouldn't be too bad a price to pay. I'd much, much rather have him than Lunatic Chad.

 

[theogt]

Supposedly the Eagles were interested, I think.

I'm pretty much with CA, though. If -- IF -- the Lions really can't afford him and could possibly let him go, we could just wait and get him without giving up a pick.

But some Lions fans have told me they'd keep him through next year and then franchise him, so we wouldn't have a shot at him for a couple of years. If that could be true but they'd still listen to trade offers, a low first wouldn't be too bad a price to pay. I'd much, much rather have him than Lunatic Chad.

No, if we don't trade for him, there's likely no chance we get him at all. First, as CA said, they have the option of franchising him. Second, if he hits the open market, we're NOT going to be players in the market for him. We had Javon Walker all but signed on the bottom line and the Raiders came along and offered him a ridiculous contract yanking the carpet from under our feet. Can you imagine what a team would offer RW on the open market? So at best you could hope for getting him 2 years and at worst, not at all.

 

[Hostile]

It's called trying to drive up the cost to get the most back.

Either at the owner's meetings in less than a week or at the Draft they will likely deal him for the best price they can get. The teams buying are going to try and get him as cheap as they can.

The trade happens when a happy medium is found.

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

Why wait until next year if we need another bigtime receiver this year? If he hits the market next year, there's not guarantee that we would even be in play.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

No, if we don't trade for him, there's likely no chance we get him at all. First, as CA said, they have the option of franchising him. Second, if he hits the open market, we're NOT going to be players in the market for him. We had Javon Walker all but signed on the bottom line and the Raiders came along and offered him a ridiculous contract yanking the carpet from under our feet. Can you imagine what a team would offer RW on the open market? So at best you could hope for getting him 2 years and at worst, not at all.

I didn't disagree with anything you said, I didn't think.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The reports of teams inquiring about Peyton Manning for a trade are non-existent, but I guarantee you there would be a market there for him that would require much more than a 1st round pick. In other words, just because YOU haven't read reports that teams want him doesn't mean squat.

Comparing the best QB of the last decade to RW.

Chris Chambers whose career numbers are similar and more consistent went for a 2nd.

Theres your market.

 

[theogt]

Comparing the best QB of the last decade to RW.

Chris Chambers whose career numbers are similar and more consistent went for a 2nd.

Theres your market.

I didn't compare them at all. Did you misread something?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

It's called trying to drive up the cost to get the most back.

Either at the owner's meetings in less than a week or at the Draft they will likely deal him for the best price they can get. The teams buying are going to try and get him as cheap as they can.

The trade happens when a happy medium is found.

What you didn't say this time, (that you've said before), is that you know he wants to be back in Texas and specifically he wants to play for Dallas. That has to help our cause over other teams that may be interested in him. He should have some influence in a possible trade deal.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

If you trade for him then you get at least one year, possibly two if you were the guys to franchise him, to try and secure a long term deal with him. If you wait till next offseason, even if Detriot doesn't Franchise him, there are going to likely be at the very least 10 other teams who will also be heavily in the hunt for him and there will likely be another team out there, like the Raider with Javon this year, who will come along and sign him to some outrageous deal.

That is why you do it this year and give up a pick for him.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I didn't compare them at all. Did you misread something?

Oh excuse me you compared the situations if they were available. Quit being evasive and obtuse.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you trade for him then you get at least one year, possibly two if you were the guys to franchise him, to try and secure a long term deal with him. If you wait till next offseason, even if Detriot doesn't Franchise him, there are going to likely be at the very least 10 other teams who will also be heavily in the hunt for him and there will likely be another team out there, like the Raider with Javon this year, who will come along and sign him to some outrageous deal.

That is why you do it this year and give up a pick for him.

Reports are that he is wanting a $10 mil a year deal as it is. Trading for him isnt going to be cheaper.

 

[theogt]

Oh excuse me you compared the situations if they were available. Quit being evasive and obtuse.

No, I didn't compare their situations if they were available. I simply showed that just because you haven't heard that teams are inquiring about a player doesn't mean there wouldn't be a market for the player. It was a stupid statement and I pointed that out. You seem to have trouble comprehending what you read.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Reports are that he is wanting a $10 mil a year deal as it is. Trading for him isnt going to be cheaper.

Again you'd still have the sole ability to negotiate with him for at least a year rather than having to try and top all the others.

Now, of course, if that's what he wants, and that's what he got here, then you're doing to cause he's intended to replace T.O. after this season.

 

[theogt]

Again you'd still have the sole ability to negotiate with him for at least a year rather than having to try and top all the others.

Now, of course, if that's what he wants, and that's what he got here, then you're doing to cause he's intended to replace T.O. after this season.

Indeed. As I mentioned, we had Javon Walker almost locked up and the Raiders came through at the last minute with a ridiculous offer. Trading for RW would prevent that from happening.

 

[aggiecurt05]

Indeed. As I mentioned, we had Javon Walker almost locked up and the Raiders came through at the last minute with a ridiculous offer. Trading for RW would prevent that from happening.

The major difference between RW and JW is that the chances of someone offering massively more than us is unlikely. Since he's not hurt, he's young, and emerging as a top 10 receiver, all of his offers will be relatively similar. A "ridiculous" offer only occur when the rest of the market thinks he isn't worth all that much (as in JW because of his injury history). Because of this(along with RW's comments about wanting to come home), RW on the open market would be the cowboys race to lose.

With that said, I'd still be up for trading for him because he could be a key cog in a super bowl run for THIS year- and the Super Bowl is the whole point.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No, I didn't compare their situations if they were available. I simply showed that just because you haven't heard that teams are inquiring about a player doesn't mean there wouldn't be a market for the player. It was a stupid statement and I pointed that out. You seem to have trouble comprehending what you read.

Oh so you brought up what would happen if Manning was available without trying to put it into context of what it wuld be like if RW were available. The only thing that is stupid is you saying that is not a comparison. You did not bring up Manning in respect to nothing.

You always try to use meaningless red herrings. The point is that if RW were to become available it would be nothing like if Manning were to be available. You can argue the semantics of the word compare all day long. You bringing up Manning is meaningless. Youre right there is no comparison.