Question at NT for the Cowboys

[Woods]

Do you think Wade is look for a massive run plugger type who doesn't get much penetration but can rather occupy double teams and hold his ground (i.e., a complement to Ratliff), OR

do you think he wants a similar type of player as Ratliff - in other words, maybe not a 330 lbs run plugger, but more of a guy who can hold up against the run but is more of a penetrator rather than an occupier (not that Ratliff can't do that as well - but he's a pro bowler)?

In the Draft (or perhaps in FA as well) there are many ways to go, depending on what type of player Wade is looking for.

Clearly we brought back Saivaii (sp?) to compete, and my guess is he's more of the run plugger type - whereas Tank was supposed to be more of the penetrator type.

Or does Wade bring in one of each, and whoever has the best TC, wins the rotation spot? Basically, Wade will then adapt the defense to whatever type he gets.

Personally, I'd like to get the massive run plugger type (Pat Williams type) just for some diversity on the DL so maybe we have different types of DL to show different looks.

But that said, anytime you get a DL who can raise havoc in the backfield and collapse the pocket, maybe you take him - maybe even if he can't hold off double teams all the time.

 

[NeonNinja]

I would keep Rat in the middle for his pressure, but possibly look for that big body to give Rat a rest.

 

[Woods]

Additionally, if we're running a 46 defense as much as a basic 34 defense, does that matter at the NT position?

 

[Canadian BoyzFan]

I want the Michigan kid. Terrance Taylor.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Clearly we brought back Saivaii (sp?) to compete

I have no clue what Jerry, Stephen and Wade are looking for in a NT.

In any case, I do know that Saivaii isn't the answer.

 

[CF74]

Your guess is just as good as anybody else' for right now. It seems like only the fans want another NT cause I haven't seen one media report suggesting we need one, but then again the media is typically clueless...

I for one hope we draft a big run stopper type...

 

[Jon88]

Your guess is just as good as anybody else' for right now. It seems like only the fans want another NT cause I haven't seen one media report suggesting we need one, but then again the media is typically clueless...

I for one hope we draft a big run stopper type...

We need another one to give Ratliff an occasional rest.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

I wonder how Saivii is doing...

 

[cowboyjoe]

Boy, I cant believe you zoners missed what jerry jones, you dont remember what jerry jones said after the phily game?

Really?

Still cant remember?


I cant believe that you forgot what jerry jones said;

jerry said, we need a big massive NT for NT.

So, I would say were going to draft a big NT, everyone knows ratliff wears down at the end of the year. Take for instance the 2 big runs by ravens, if you had a big NT that had some penetration. I tend to think that those big runs wouldnt have happened because the middle inside linebackers would have been free to stop those big runs. I am just guessing here.

But Jerry Jones did say the cowboys did need a big NT.

 

[Woods]

Boy, I cant believe you zoners missed what jerry jones, you dont remember what jerry jones said after the phily game?

Really?

Still cant remember?


I cant believe that you forgot what jerry jones said;

jerry said, we need a big massive NT for NT.

So, I would say were going to draft a big NT, everyone knows ratliff wears down at the end of the year. Take for instance the 2 big runs by ravens, if you had a big NT that had some penetration. I tend to think that those big runs wouldnt have happened because the middle inside linebackers would have been free to stop those big runs. I am just guessing here.

But Jerry Jones did say the cowboys did need a big NT.

OK I don't remember JJ saying that.

That we needed a "big massive NT".

 

[28 Joker]

Dorell Scott is the guy to add to the defensive line imo. I'm reading he could kick out to end and play there some, too. He's polished and can get into the backfield. He can rush the passer from the NT spot. He isn't just a space eater. He played NT in some of Clemson's 34 sets, and he handled the double teams very well. He's 310 right now and has the room for 10-15 pounds. Dallas could just keep him at 310 if they wanted to do so.

This is just my opinion, but I think this guy could be a target at # 51 by the time April rolls around. If he has a good pro day, and he has been rising fast, he's going to sneak into the second round to third round range. Plus, 34 teams will grade him higher.

 

[Woods]

Dorell Scott is the guy to add to the defensive line imo. I'm reading he could kick out to end and play there some, too. He's polished and can get into the backfield. He can rush the passer from the NT spot. He isn't just a space eater. He played NT in some of Clemson's 34 sets, and he handled the double teams very well. He's 310 right now and has the room for 10-15 pounds. Dallas could just keep him at 310 if they wanted to do so.

This is just my opinion, but I think this guy could be a target at # 51 by the time April rolls around. If he has a good pro day, and he has been rising fast, he's going to sneak into the second round to third round range. Plus, 34 teams will grade him higher.

I've been reading up on him, and his reviews are very mixed.

For example, some have him as a early 3rd rounder/late 2nd rounder, and others have him as an underachiever and more of a 4-5 round talent.

Not sure what is more accurate.

 

[cowboyjoe]

yep, jerry jones said that, we need a big NT, i think his words we need a big massive NT in the middle, something along those lines.

 

[Woods]

Dorell Scott is the guy to add to the defensive line imo. I'm reading he could kick out to end and play there some, too. He's polished and can get into the backfield. He can rush the passer from the NT spot. He isn't just a space eater. He played NT in some of Clemson's 34 sets, and he handled the double teams very well. He's 310 right now and has the room for 10-15 pounds. Dallas could just keep him at 310 if they wanted to do so.

This is just my opinion, but I think this guy could be a target at # 51 by the time April rolls around. If he has a good pro day, and he has been rising fast, he's going to sneak into the second round to third round range. Plus, 34 teams will grade him higher.

For example, the following is from NFLDRAFTCOUNTDOWN.com, a free site. I stopped at number 21 for D Scott.

And as for C Baker, I wonder if he's even on our Draft board for bad behavior, etc.

# Player School Height Weight 40-Time
1. B.J. Raji Boston College 6-11/2 337 5.13
2. Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6-13/4 299 5.00
3. Evander Hood Missouri 6-27/8 300 4.89
4. Ron Brace Boston College 6-3 334 5.52
5. Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6-13/4 306 5.03
6. Jarron Gilbert San Jose St. 6-51/4 288 4.87
7. Alex Magee Purdue 6-25/8 298 5.07
8. Fili Moala USC 6-4 305 5.10
9. Chris Baker Hampton 6-2 326 5.03
10. Vance Walker Georgia Tech 6-17/8 304 5.35
11. Terrance Taylor Michigan 6-0 306 5.27
12. Ricky Jean-Francois L.S.U. 6-25/8 295 4.90
13. Darryl Richard Georgia Tech 6-21/2 303 5.00
14. Roy Miller Texas 6-11/4 310 5.09
15. Mitch King Iowa 6-11/2 280 4.89
16. Corvey Irvin Georgia 6-3 301 5.00
17. Terrance Knighton Temple 6-3 321 5.23
18. Myron Pryor Kentucky 6-01/4 319 5.05
19. Clinton McDonald Memphis 6-3 285 4.70
20. Sammie Lee Hill Stillman 6-37/8 329 5.15
21. Dorell Scott Clemson 6-31/4 312 4.95

 

[cowboyjoe]

see the clicker on this is this;
wade said he likes smaller quicker NTs, that can penetrate and move, not the big massive nts like he had at san diego. Jamaal Williams.

now whom do you think will win out in the draft, jerry jones or wade, or maybe wade has changed his philosophy too on defense about quicker more mobile NTs

but something tells me, a bigger huge nose tackle will be drafted

 

[Woods]

see the clicker on this is this;
wade said he likes smaller quicker NTs, that can penetrate and move, not the big massive nts like he had at san diego. Jamaal Williams.

now whom do you think will win out in the draft, jerry jones or wade, or maybe wade has changed his philosophy too on defense about quicker more mobile NTs

but something tells me, a bigger huge nose tackle will be drafted

Wade seems to bringing in his types of players AND getting rid of players who he doesn't want.

But it is a big question mark, IMO. We could easily pick up a player like Roy Miller at NT late in the Draft. He's got a huge motor, but let's face it, he's probably more of a run plugger.

On the other hand, a player like Fili Moala is probably more versatile in Wade 34/46 or whatever he's running. But he's probably going in the 2nd or early 3rd round.

 

[Woods]

see the clicker on this is this;
wade said he likes smaller quicker NTs, that can penetrate and move, not the big massive nts like he had at san diego. Jamaal Williams.

now whom do you think will win out in the draft, jerry jones or wade, or maybe wade has changed his philosophy too on defense about quicker more mobile NTs

but something tells me, a bigger huge nose tackle will be drafted

It's too bad Tank Johnson stunk so bad as well . . . .

 

[jobberone]

I can see adding another gap NT to backup Ratliff. But that doesn't change the fact we need a cover NT. I thought this was Tank's job last year and he got blown off as much as Ratliff did and apparently did whatever he wanted instead of just doing his assignment. He wants to penetrate and sometimes that's not the job there. We need a big NT to cover up two interior linemen.

Just because someone is a fire plug doesn't mean they can't penetrate as well. Rogers is a good example of that. When he's caught his breath that is. I don't know if there is a sure fire big NT in the draft. I just don't follow it that well. It appears that even at the top the NTs have been inconsistent.

 

[BigDFan5]

see the clicker on this is this;
wade said he likes smaller quicker NTs, that can penetrate and move, not the big massive nts like he had at san diego. Jamaal Williams.

now whom do you think will win out in the draft, jerry jones or wade, or maybe wade has changed his philosophy too on defense about quicker more mobile NTs

but something tells me, a bigger huge nose tackle will be drafted

OMG You have been told this statement is BS 100 times why are you still trying to pass it off as a fact

 

[burmafrd]

I think a fireplug would be a good idea. About 6-1 and 315 with very low center of gravity (in other words a big butt and huge legs). Quick and strong.
AND above ALL ELSE a never ending motor.