Question for my fellow Texans

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Ahem:

"Texas can make it without the United States, but the United States cannot make it without Texas." -- Sam Houston, President of the Republic of Texas

Texan first and foremost. We just happened to have annexed the United States by chance.

I can't see anyone from Delaware having the same attachment to, well, Delaware, as Texans have to the only state in the Union that was its own country.

How many other states still have it in their constitution that they reserve the right to secede?
 

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hookemhorns72;3736014 said:
No other people are as proud to be from their birth state as a Texan is to be from theirs! PERIOD

no other americans maybe :)
 

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theogt;3736521 said:
Can non-Americans be born in a US state?

haha didn't notice state in the sentence, my bad. but being pedantic it doesn't say u.s. state and that wrinkly old german boot is head of state where i'm from so technically i'm within my rights to interfere even though its clearly implied that its only referring to americans. thats my story and i'm sticking to it :D
 

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I'm a Texan that was not born in Texas but REALLY wants to move to Texas.
 

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Motorbreath;3736543 said:
I'm a Texan that was not born in Texas but REALLY wants to move to Texas.

Oh, sorry. We're full of carpetbaggers right now. Try again in a year or so?

Nah, I'm kiddin'. Come on down. We're right in the middle of our two weeks of winter though. Might freeze once or twice. :D
 

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SaltwaterServr;3736565 said:
Oh, sorry. We're full of carpetbaggers right now. Try again in a year or so?

Nah, I'm kiddin'. Come on down. We're right in the middle of our two weeks of winter though. Might freeze once or twice. :D
Hopefully in a year or two we can move down. I'm hoping to go to UT.
 

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Motorbreath;3736543 said:
I'm a Texan that was not born in Texas but REALLY wants to move to Texas.

SaltwaterServr;3736565 said:
Oh, sorry. We're full of carpetbaggers right now. Try again in a year or so?

Nah, I'm kiddin'. Come on down. We're right in the middle of our two weeks of winter though. Might freeze once or twice. :D

He can come down... plenty of room...

It's like the bumper stickers you see around The Great State:

I wasn't born in Texas... but I got here as fast as I could...
 

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SaltwaterServr;3736408 said:
Ahem:

"Texas can make it without the United States, but the United States cannot make it without Texas." -- Sam Houston, President of the Republic of Texas

Texan first and foremost. We just happened to have annexed the United States by chance.

I can't see anyone from Delaware having the same attachment to, well, Delaware, as Texans have to the only state in the Union that was its own country.

How many other states still have it in their constitution that they reserve the right to secede?

California was also a country, although it was very short lived. The state of Texas, little to most peoples knowledge when they talk their nonsense about seceding, lost that right after the civil war.

having said that, i wasn't born here, but love being here! best state with the friendliest people, and where i grew up in Austin, the prettiest girls;). the only thing i wish is that our state was the same as it was as a country, that way we could have some rocky mountains in here and we could go snowboarding in the state of Texas!
 

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When I retire from the Army, it's highly likely I'll end up in Dallas.

I'm a citizen of Virginia for all intents and purposes. I like it here, but there are reasons why I can't stay.
 

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MC KAos;3737219 said:
California was also a country, although it was very short lived. The state of Texas, little to most peoples knowledge when they talk their nonsense about seceding, lost that right after the civil war.

having said that, i wasn't born here, but love being here! best state with the friendliest people, and where i grew up in Austin, the prettiest girls;). the only thing i wish is that our state was the same as it was as a country, that way we could have some rocky mountains in here and we could go snowboarding in the state of Texas!

You are correct. We lost the right of seceding once the Civil War was over.
 

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casmith07;3737229 said:
When I retire from the Army, it's highly likely I'll end up in Dallas.

I'm a citizen of Virginia for all intents and purposes. I like it here, but there are reasons why I can't stay.

Those women must hate you something fierce to make you flee the state! :laugh2:
 

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SaltwaterServr;3736408 said:
How many other states still have it in their constitution that they reserve the right to secede?

This really isn't something to be proud of.

Born, raised and still live in Texas but I consider myself an American first.
 

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Maikeru-sama;3737302 said:
This really isn't something to be proud of.

Born, raised and still live in Texas but I consider myself an American first.

I think it is the feeling of independence many Texans have. I'm proud of my country and I love my state.
 

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MC KAos;3737219 said:
California was also a country, although it was very short lived. The state of Texas, little to most peoples knowledge when they talk their nonsense about seceding, lost that right after the civil war.

having said that, i wasn't born here, but love being here! best state with the friendliest people, and where i grew up in Austin, the prettiest girls;). the only thing i wish is that our state was the same as it was as a country, that way we could have some rocky mountains in here and we could go snowboarding in the state of Texas!

Doomsday101;3737247 said:
You are correct. We lost the right of seceding once the Civil War was over.

Both of you are incorrect. Texas can in fact secede. As a matter of fact, ANY"free and independent State" can secede if the people of that state decide that is in fact what they want to do. What is NOT TRUE is that the Texas Constitution explicitly states that it can. It doesn't need too as it is by default an option.

The following two questions and answers are from a FAQ on the subject.

Q:
Doesn't the Texas Constitution reserve the right of Texas to secede?​
A:
This heavily popularized bit of Texas folklore finds no corroboration where it counts: No such provision is found in the current Texas Constitution (adopted in 1876) or the terms of annexation. However, it does state (in Article 1, Section 1) that "Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States..." (note that it does not state "...subject to the President of the United States..." or "...subject to the Congress of the United States..." or "...subject to the collective will of one or more of the other States...")

Neither the Texas Constitution, nor the Constitution of the united States, explicitly or implicitly disallows the secession of Texas (or any other "free and independent State") from the United States. Joining the "Union" was ever and always voluntary, rendering voluntary withdrawal an equally lawful and viable option (regardless of what any self-appointed academic, media, or government "experts"—including Abraham Lincoln himself—may have ever said).

Both the original (1836) and the current (1876) Texas Constitutions also state that "All political power is inherent in the people ... they have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper."

Likewise, each of the united States is "united" with the others explicitly on the principle that "governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed" and "whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends [i.e., protecting life, liberty, and property], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government" and "when a long train of abuses and usurpations...evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."​

Q:
Didn’t the outcome of the “Civil War” prove that secession is not an option for any State?​
A:
No. It only proved that, when allowed to act outside his lawfully limited authority, a U.S. president is capable of unleashing horrendous violence against the lives, liberty, and property of those whom he pretends to serve. The Confederate States (including Texas) withdrew from the Union lawfully, civilly, and peacefully, after enduring several decades of excessive and inequitable federal tariffs (taxes) heavily prejudiced against Southern commerce. Refusing to recognize the Confederate secession, Lincoln called it a "rebellion" and a "threat" to "the government" (without ever explaining exactly how "the government" was "threatened" by a lawful, civil, and peaceful secession) and acted outside the lawfully defined scope of either the office of president or the U.S. government in general, to coerce the South back into subjugation to Northern control.

The South's rejoining the Union at the point of a bayonet in the late 1860s didn't prove secession is "not an option" or unlawful. It only affirmed that violent coercion can be used—even by governments (if unrestrained)—to rob men of their very lives, liberty, and property.


It bears repeating that the united States are "united" explicitly on the principle that "governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed" and "whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends [i.e., protecting life, liberty, and property], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government" and "when a long train of abuses and usurpations...evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."​
 

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nyc;3737319 said:
Both of you are incorrect. Texas can in fact secede. As a matter of fact, ANY"free and independent State" can secede if the people of that state decide that is in fact what they want to do. What is NOT TRUE is that the Texas Constitution explicitly states that it can. It doesn't need too as it is by default an option.

The following two questions and answers are from a FAQ on the subject.

i know the website you got that from and its not very reliable, specially considering that the website is entirely devoted to texas seceding from the US. I'm not gonna say anything else in the matter because its getting to close to becoming a political thing and i HATE talking about politics and i dont think the forum allows it anyway.

but we can all agree that Texas has the best looking women anywhere!:cool:
 

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Who really knows what the constitution of Texas allows when it comes to secession? That thing is so long, and convoluted that no one has the time to read it all.
 

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Motorbreath;3736672 said:
Hopefully in a year or two we can move down. I'm hoping to go to UT.
move soon so you can establish residency, otherwise you will still pay out of state tuition. my cousin went through that, she moved to her dads(my uncles) middle of junior year(i think) and she didn't have residency in Texas or Ohio
 

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rkell87;3737626 said:
move soon so you can establish residency, otherwise you will still pay out of state tuition. my cousin went through that, she moved to her dads(my uncles) middle of junior year(i think) and she didn't have residency in Texas or Ohio

Exactly. In-State tuition is about $4,800 per semester the way it looks.

Out of state is pretty close to $16,000.

The difference over a 4 year degree, assuming you make it out in 4 (6th Street will do things to your GPA) is about $90,000.

Pack your bags. You need to be living here two years to get in-state discount.

And for the secession discussion, y'all are all wrong. I've read the bumper stickers.;)


MC KAos;3737219 said:
California was also a country, although it was very short lived.

States that shake don't count.
 
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