Question is multi back or single back system?

[btcutter]

I know it's another RB thread....

My question for the FO and our coaches is are we committed to either a multi back or single back (work horse) system? To me that really determines the value of the RB.

If we are using multi backs and REALLY commits to sharing carries/touches. Say 1st back 15 and 2nd back 10 and 3rd back 5 then that really devalues the 1st RB. You can't justify paying mega $$ for a single back.

If we are using Work Horse model like days of Smith then you do have to spend significant amount to obtain a back that can produce AND hold up for the entire season.

My feeling is that the FO wants a MULTI BACK system that's why they are retaining Ryan Williams and hoping Williams/Randle and draft pick will equate what Murray gave us last year behind this line. However, coach Garrett like most coaches want what has worked before. Bill Parcel was the same (won't play young players). If it's not broken he doesn't want change. He wants the same personnel that got him the good results. Of course as a teammate you want that as well since it's proven.

Personally I favor the multi back system. I think everything is based of the OL. I would lover Murray split carries with Ryan Williams instead of Randle. That's ideal. I want to pound the opposition to submission. It's also better for longevity of their careers. If Murray can see this and sign for $5 million per season for 4 yrs ($20 million) and 15 million guaranteed that would be ideal for both sides. Or else I turn to the draft and FA and trust my OL to perform.

 

[xwalker]

The Cowboys tend to accommodate veteran players that are leaders on the team.

They play Witten 100% of the offensive snaps even though there is often no reason for it, especially when they are up significantly on the scoreboard.

They played the starters deep into the win over Skins in the final game of the season even though they didn't need to do it.

They appear to do this because it's Garrett's way of establishing the mindset of the team.

They could have given Murray's backups more carries, but they gave the vast majority of the carries to Murray because he wanted them.

If Murray is gone, then they'll definitely be a multi-back offense, but if he returns he'll get most of the carries. The only way his backups will get significant carries when he is healthy is if they play like Adrian Peterson in his prime.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I've never been a fan of RB by committee. I think a RB needs touches to get into the flow of the game.

 

[Wood]

I think Dallas is headed to RB by committee. I know it doesn't sound sexy but it can be productive and get job done. My biggest concern is the draft RB needs to have right mentality for picking up the blitz. Dallas needs to draft a hammer and let Randle break the long ones. And when I say Hammer...I am referring to back like Tevin Coleman in 2nd round.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I think Dallas is headed to RB by committee. I know it doesn't sound sexy but it can be productive and get job done. My biggest concern is the draft RB needs to have right mentality for picking up the blitz. Dallas needs to draft a hammer and let Randle break the long ones. And when I say Hammer...I am referring to back like Tevin Coleman in 2nd round.

Depending on what actually happens to Randle, I don't think we will see him in a Cowboys uniform again.

 

[Wood]

Depending on what actually happens to Randle, I don't think we will see him in a Cowboys uniform again.

from what I understand the biggest concern was if there was any domestic abuse and there was not. While Garrett won't be happy with that incident I still don't think it enough to move him out of Dallas especially considering the probability of losing Murray. Dallas is going to need all hands on deck next year from RBs.

Now if Dallas can convince Murray to lower his contract demands and maybe offer more in guaranteed and Dallas draft RB then maybe you consider releasing Randle. But I am still really concerned about Murray durability for 2015 especially if he carries the rock on same level as '14. Who ever is backup better be ready to start for long stretches.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

from what I understand the biggest concern was if there was any domestic abuse and there was not. While Garrett won't be happy with that incident I still don't think it enough to move him out of Dallas especially considering the probability of losing Murray. Dallas is going to need all hands on deck next year from RBs.

Unless I missed some thing they are still investigating with more charges to come right?

 

[CF74]

Right now it just looks like Randle is a crappy father and a stupid punk. No evidence of physical abuse, guns, or much else. Girl lost credibility when nothing she said could be proven..

 

[Wood]

Unless I missed some thing they are still investigating with more charges to come right?

Brian Broddius said he spoke with people in cowboys organization and there was zero physical abuse by Randle. Police went to house after couple had some type of verbal argument and found bag of weed.

 

[btcutter]

I think Dallas is headed to RB by committee. I know it doesn't sound sexy but it can be productive and get job done. My biggest concern is the draft RB needs to have right mentality for picking up the blitz. Dallas needs to draft a hammer and let Randle break the long ones. And when I say Hammer...I am referring to back like Tevin Coleman in 2nd round.

Blitz pick up is Willingness. It's not rocket science. Murray had to learn it as well.
You draft a RB with an attitude to do so.

Ryan Wiliams/ Coleman + Randle would be fine.
I like RB by committee as it keeps everyone fresh and also gives them a I want to do better than the next guy attitude. Furthermore, you are not solely dependent on 1 back and injuries is part of this game.

 

[btcutter]

from what I understand the biggest concern was if there was any domestic abuse and there was not. While Garrett won't be happy with that incident I still don't think it enough to move him out of Dallas especially considering the probability of losing Murray. Dallas is going to need all hands on deck next year from RBs.

Now if Dallas can convince Murray to lower his contract demands and maybe offer more in guaranteed and Dallas draft RB then maybe you consider releasing Randle. But I am still really concerned about Murray durability for 2015 especially if he carries the rock on same level as '14. Who ever is backup better be ready to start for long stretches.

Would you be upset with 4 yr contract for $24 million with $15 million guaranteed?

 

[btcutter]

Right now it just looks like Randle is a crappy father and a stupid punk. No evidence of physical abuse, guns, or much else. Girl lost credibility when nothing she said could be proven..

I agree that he is an idiot.

What I don't understand and what bothers me is that he has shown enough on the field yet the coaches barely gives him touches. I know they trust Murray but Randle has shown he can get job done. After the Seattle game where he gave us a big lift then somehow went into the dog house with the coaches. This staff have me scratching my head.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Blitz pick up is Willingness. It's not rocket science. Murray had to learn it as well.
You draft a RB with an attitude to do so.

Ryan Wiliams/ Coleman + Randle would be fine.
I like RB by committee as it keeps everyone fresh and also gives them a I want to do better than the next guy attitude. Furthermore, you are not solely dependent on 1 back and injuries is part of this game.

Agreed. This argument, "Demarco Murray is the only back in the history of the NFL who knows how to pick up the blitz" has become mind numbing.

New England had like 14 guys get about 300 yards each this season and managed to accomplish some good things.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Would you be upset with 4 yr contract for $24 million with $15 million guaranteed?

4 years, $24 mil is the number I had in mind. It's more than I would like to see paid, and it's for one year longer than I would like but I could see it happening.

I think $15 mil guaranteed is a little high, but who knows.

 

[Wood]

Would you be upset with 4 yr contract for $24 million with $15 million guaranteed?

that would be pushing it because for that money I would need to run Murray into ground again and I am concerned with injury at that stage. I just think Dallas needs to give Murray a hero departure and bring in fresh legs.

 

[btcutter]

4 years, $24 mil is the number I had in mind. It's more than I would like to see paid, and it's for one year longer than I would like but I could see it happening.

I think $15 mil guaranteed is a little high, but who knows.

Basically it's a 3 yr deal averaging total of 5.5 million per season. Cut after 3 yrs but again the risk is always injury.

 

[btcutter]

that would be pushing it because for that money I would need to run Murray into ground again and I am concerned with injury at that stage. I just think Dallas needs to give Murray a hero departure and bring in fresh legs.

A little over 5 million per? don't HAVE To run him into the ground. Be nice to keep him fresh for end of season and playoffs. We saw he slowed down toward the end. I just wish the coaches would let the other backs play more.

 

[EST_1986]

Brian Broddius said he spoke with people in cowboys organization and there was zero physical abuse by Randle. Police went to house after couple had some type of verbal argument and found bag of weed.

If Broaddus said that then it really means he beat her within an inch of her life and he had no weed

 

[Wood]

A little over 5 million per? don't HAVE To run him into the ground. Be nice to keep him fresh for end of season and playoffs. We saw he slowed down toward the end. I just wish the coaches would let the other backs play more.

you would be surprised now that teams are really shying away from big guarentees at RB when they see guys like Eddie Lacy (very late 2nd round), Jeremy Hill (2nd round) or even CJ Anderson (undrafted) having success when thrown out there. If you give Murray that much money you probably don't get FA DE (which they desperately need) or you don't resign Free or McClain.

 

[CF74]

I agree that he is an idiot.

What I don't understand and what bothers me is that he has shown enough on the field yet the coaches barely gives him touches. I know they trust Murray but Randle has shown he can get job done. After the Seattle game where he gave us a big lift then somehow went into the dog house with the coaches. This staff have me scratching my head.

Yeah I would have liked to see him get 10-15 touches per game, especially against AFC teams where the stakes are a bit lower...