Question Isnt Cheating in games detrimental to the NFL?

[Rogah]

How do you know its NOT a earth-shattering earth advantage?

I will gladly answer your question when you answer mine.

 

[Rogah]

I think the statistics of the Patriots' fumble rate and Brady's explosion into statistical stratosphere, both of which occurred in 2007, right when the league changed the rules to allow teams to handle their own footballs makes the crime more harsh.

Actually the rule change went into effect in 2006, but why let facts get in the way of your ignorance?

But anyway, yes, I'm sure Brady's statistical improvement in 2007 had nothing to do with the fact that the Patriots brought in arguably the greatest WR in the history of the NFL not named "Jerry Rice" onto their team. I mean, Donald Reche Caldwell and 35 year old Troy Brown in 2006 are just as talented as Randy Moss and Wes Welker, huh?

 

[MichaelValentino]

Don't need to.

Healy claimed that the PSI would drop by 1.8 PSI. The Colts' footballs didn't drop anywhere near that.

Oh, and Healy is a self admitted Patriots fanboy. And as I said long ago...I simply don't trust these fanboys when it comes to 'science' and the NFL unless they prove otherwise.

Lastly, the texts completely incriminate the Patriots deflating the football making Healy's claims completely moot. In the end, Healy just shot his credibility as a scientist. Good luck with that.





YR

Also, Exponent's lab experiments simulate real-time conditions better than Healy's experiment. I found flaws in Healy's experiment and posted those on other threads earlier this year. I'm certain Healy's findings can easily be refuted if NE attempts to rebut the Exponent findings by relying upon Healy. As I posted earlier, if anything, Healy's experiment/findings say too much.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

If you think 1 PSI is as bad as systematically targeting and trying to injure opponents, then you have some warped priorities.Yes they eject pitchers and give them a couple game suspension. They don't suspend them for a full year.

Don't you have a chowder eating contest to get to?

 

[JoeyBoy718]

If it is such an earth-shattering, huge advantage, then what do you think about the league which allowed the 1st half of the AFCCG to be played under those circumstances?

The same league that screwed us over the Dez catch? Yeah, they have credibility...

 

[JoeyBoy718]

It's an honest question: have the fortitude to answer it.

If the whole notion of deflating footballs is such a huge, major, earth-shattering "crime", then what does it say about the NFL that they let 30 minutes of a conference championship game be played with balls suspected to have been under-inflated? Also, if the whole notion of deflating footballs is such a huge, major, earth-shattering "crime", then why did no one bother to actually, you know, tell the commissioner about this whole thing when it was originally raised?

I am not defending the Patriots when I say these are legit questions than any fan should want answered.

I don't get your point. You're bringing up the integrity of the NFL now? It's about as low as that of the Pats. We all know that. That's why we can't trust them. We just have to dismantle teams since in any close game, the NFL will find a way to screw the Cowboys. We have to raise haites on the NFL. Oh, and when I say we, I mean the Cowboys. For most of us here, we means one thing. We don't change jerseys during the week.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

But anyway, yes, I'm sure Brady's statistical improvement in 2007 had nothing to do with the fact that the Patriots brought in arguably the greatest WR in the history of the NFL not named "Jerry Rice" onto their team. I mean, Donald Reche Caldwell and 35 year old Troy Brown in 2006 are just as talented as Randy Moss and Wes Welker, huh?

What about after Randy Moss left the team? His numbers were far better than they were pre-2007.

You see, that's the thing about blatantly cheating...it brings your past accomplishments into question.





YR

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Actually the rule change went into effect in 2006, but why let facts get in the way of your ignorance?

But anyway, yes, I'm sure Brady's statistical improvement in 2007 had nothing to do with the fact that the Patriots brought in arguably the greatest WR in the history of the NFL not named "Jerry Rice" onto their team. I mean, Donald Reche Caldwell and 35 year old Troy Brown in 2006 are just as talented as Randy Moss and Wes Welker, huh?

Oh, my bad. So they've been cheating for 9 years, not 8. Thanks for clearing up the facts.

 

[Longboysfan]

While I see both sides on the fumbling.
The league allows both teams to prepare their own set of game balls.
They have a range of PSI allowed. Patriots maybe prepared their balls so the glove type worn had better grip on the game balls as prepared.
The prepration is not an issue in the NFL now other that the underinflation of game balls.
Really - the NFL should have thier own people prepare game balls and present them to the QB's from both teams 3 hours before game.
They can accept or reject them. But the PSI is a standard they must not very from.

 

[dogberry]

The NFL will repump the footballs at half time of all games.

Also, one of the rude mechanicals opined that the ref forced Brady to play with a 16 in one of the Jets game.

There will be a formal process to question the psi.

The Sunday night game between the Colts and the Pats will be better than the Mayflower vs Pachinko fight.

 

[adbutcher]

Vegas says yes....

 

[muck4doo]

Pats will get a slap on the wrist, and their stupid fans will keep reminding us about how Michael Irvin snorted cocaine off of prostitutes rears, so therefore their Super Bowl wins are legit even though they are dirty rotten cheaters.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I will gladly answer your question when you answer mine.

Don't need to. Patriots are guilty and should be harshly punished. There is no gray lining to cheating.

 

[Idgit]

Hard to argue that this whole cheating and cover up during a Superbowl run was not detrimental to the NFL.

 

[muck4doo]

Don't need to. Patriots are guilty and should be harshly punished. There is no gray lining to cheating.

And the truth will set some tards free, hopefully, but never underestimate the stupidity of Gnats and Pats fans.

 

[Nightman]

It isn't whether or not cheating helped the Pats

It is whether or not the Pats tried to cheat

The answer in Deflategate is the same as Spygate, and it is a huge YES

They should be penalized as repeat offenders

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

so it was true...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ-b-ELJRiw

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I remember post after post of Rogah's talking about how great it was going to be when the Pats would get an apology from the league because they didn't cheat...he couldn't wait to gloat in our faces and WOW turns out the Pats do cheat & of all things Tommy is in the middle of it all.

yea cheating is detrimental to the league & the Pats are known cheaters.

 

[DogFace]

I will gladly answer your question when you answer mine.

I didn't ask you a question but you couldn't reply to my reply in the other thread. It's clear why and I don't blame you. Your position is beyond weak.

Basically you determine the amount of cheating that is appropriate and what the punishment should or shouldn't be.

Aikman made a big deal about it because a few psi is very important to a professional. Most good former and current athletes can easily realize this.

If you don't play basketball then playing with a volleyball wouldn't hurt your game at all. It would hurt a good player.

The low fumble rate they experienced is indicative of how important it is.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

It isn't whether or not cheating helped the Pats

It is whether or not the Pats tried to cheat

The answer in Deflategate is the same as Spygate, and it is a huge YES

They should be penalized as repeat offenders

It's both actually.
They cheated and it helped, those Super Bowl victories were all by 3 points. The last gift was by 4

The 3 point Super Bowl wins could very easily been because of cheating. No doubt in my mind.


When caught cheating they have to play on a level playing field. They lose superbowls by 3 and 4 points.


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