Question re: Rodgers catching Cowboys with 12 guys on the field

[Idgit]

It's legit, and good QB'ing. Your friends need to be slapped.

 

[lkelly]

Are you sure calling a timeout when you don't have any isn't a 15 yard penalty? For some reason I think it is.

It was Justin Durant, not Hitchens who called the timeout. Ironically enough, Rodgers caught Dallas with 12 men not long afterwards on the play where he was sacked (their next drive).

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

It's legit. I envy how great he is at it. Complete savy move.

 

[DogFace]

If the offense substitutes, then the defense allowed a substitution too - you just gotta be quick enough!

So if the O does it faster the D is SOL?

Why does Green Bay seem to be better at this than others?

 

[lkelly]

So if the O does it faster the D is SOL?

Why does Green Bay seem to be better at this than others?

No, when the offense substitutes the officials are supposed to give the defense a reasonable time to respond with their own substitution. That's why you see an official stand over the ball to prevent the snap.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

It's a legit tactic

And he looks for it!

Often!

 

[Swanny]

I have debate going at work on whether or not Aaron Rodgers constantly catching teams with 12 men on the field for a 5 yard penalty and/or a free play (which is almost always a long pass) is 'cheap' or not.

I don't remember the Cowboys being caught by this earlier this season.

My personal opinion is it is a legit tactic, however, I have a number of buddies who believe it's a BS cheap tactic and mastering the way Rodgers has and using it as a 'strategy' is goes against the spirit of the game.

What do you think?

I don't see why anyone would think it's cheap. It's pure genius, yet simple to do

 

[camelboy]

I agree with the OP .. It is CHEAP and DIRTY . even though it is legal

To those arguing this, remember that in a game YOU try to earn yards and points through your own effort .. run or pass . when you establish a strategy in your play book to draw flags and fouls on your opponent this is cheap and dirty and nothing less cheap or dirty than a playing faking a foul as being held or fouled .. you are not playing the game ..

 

[DogFace]

No, when the offense substitutes the officials are supposed to give the defense a reasonable time to respond with their own substitution. That's why you see an official stand over the ball to prevent the snap.

So how does Rodgers catch everyone? Or maybe it just seems that way

 

[DogFace]

I don't see why anyone would think it's cheap. It's pure genius, yet simple to do

Like fake eligible receivers?

 

[Titleist]

So if the O does it faster the D is SOL?

Why does Green Bay seem to be better at this than others?

Here is the letter of the law:
Article 10: If a substitution is made by the offense, the offense shall not be permitted to snap the ball until the defense has been permitted to respond with its substitutions. While in the process of a substitution (or simulated substitution), the offense is prohibited from rushing quickly to the line of scrimmage and snapping the ball in an obvious attempt to cause a defensive foul (i.e., too many men on the field).

It seems to me that maybe we're doing the defensive substitutions (while GB does not) and A-Rod catches us with 12 on the field mid-substitution.

ETA: A lot of times you'll see hurry-up offenses forgo substitutions and the opposing defense will get tired and have to substitute at some point. This is where an opportunistic QB can catch the defense with their drawers down.

 

[Vanilla2]

So how does Rodgers catch everyone? Or maybe it just seems that way

He catches them when they try to substitute when the offense hasn't

 

[LandryFan]

I have debate going at work on whether or not Aaron Rodgers constantly catching teams with 12 men on the field for a 5 yard penalty and/or a free play (which is almost always a long pass) is 'cheap' or not.

I don't remember the Cowboys being caught by this earlier this season.

My personal opinion is it is a legit tactic, however, I have a number of buddies who believe it's a BS cheap tactic and mastering the way Rodgers has and using it as a 'strategy' is goes against the spirit of the game.

What do you think?

I would be pissed if our QB knowingly had that opportunity and didn't take it. As for our D, they need to hustle their butts off the field when leaving.

 

[xwalker]

I have debate going at work on whether or not Aaron Rodgers constantly catching teams with 12 men on the field for a 5 yard penalty and/or a free play (which is almost always a long pass) is 'cheap' or not.

I don't remember the Cowboys being caught by this earlier this season.

My personal opinion is it is a legit tactic, however, I have a number of buddies who believe it's a BS cheap tactic and mastering the way Rodgers has and using it as a 'strategy' is goes against the spirit of the game.

What do you think?

It seems the same as using a hard count to draw defenders off-sides. It does seem a little cheezy at times, but I wouldn't call it cheap.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Yep, Dallas just needs to counter his BS by having some one pretend to get banged up.

That is cheating and nfl will hand down punishment if we did that

 

[NextGenBoys]

Totally legit.

Those who say otherwise are crybabies.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Sometimes defenses are caught off-guard with reacting to substitutions or getting their own men off the field fast enough; that's on them.

We've all seen both offenses and defenses call time out because they either don't have the right personnel or aren't lining up right.

 

[Doomsday]

That is cheating and nfl will hand down punishment if we did that

I have yet to see anyone get fined for getting a muscle cramp during a drive.

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

I agree with the OP .. It is CHEAP and DIRTY . even though it is legal

To those arguing this, remember that in a game YOU try to earn yards and points through your own effort .. run or pass . when you establish a strategy in your play book to draw flags and fouls on your opponent this is cheap and dirty and nothing less cheap or dirty than a playing faking a foul as being held or fouled .. you are not playing the game ..

Thoughts on a "hardcount" from the QB?

 

[JoeKing]

Just like when Big Ben burned us with the fake spike, it's a legit play and fair game.