Quinn or Miller with the 9th pick ?

[Nightshade]

Quinn is a DE/OLB. So is Spencer. Could one of them play OLB and the other play DE? Say, a front 7 like this:

DE - Marcus Spears
NT - Jay Ratliff
DE - Robert Quinn

OLB - Anthony Spencer
ILB - Bradie James
ILB - Sean Lee
OLB - DeMarcus Ware

DE's in a 3-4 are primarily responsible for holding up the O-linemen so the linebackers can flow to the ball. They also have to take on alot of double teams from the Guard and Tackle. Quinn and Spence are more quick/fast speed guys. They aren't big enough or powerful enough to be sound at the 3-4 DE position.

 

[natesboys051]

Absolutely. Just rotate those guys in fresh to rush the passer like the G men did when they won the SB. Only need to rush 4 and drop 7 to cover.

D wins Championships!

That's the answer......rotate them like we did in 1992-95 timeframe (and what the G-men and other good teams will do nowadays).

 

[natesboys051]

DE's in a 3-4 are primarily responsible for holding up the O-linemen so the linebackers can flow to the ball. They also have to take on alot of double teams from the Guard and Tackle. Quinn and Spence are more quick/fast speed guys. They aren't big enough or powerful enough to be sound at the 3-4 DE position.

Most scouts think Quinn has a body type like Julius Peppers. He's already a ****-strong bull at 266lbs...imagine him putting on a few pounds. He'll be a monster and could play as a 5 technique DE in our 3-4 defensive scheme. Rob would love a monster like Quinn.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Most scouts think Quinn has a body type like Julius Peppers. He's already a ****-strong bull at 266lbs...imagine him putting on a few pounds. He'll be a monster and could play as a 5 technique DE in our 3-4 defensive scheme. Rob would love a monster like Quinn.

Thatd be a total waste IMO.

I love the idea of Quinn on one edge, Ware on the other, and w/ some pressure up the middle. Engulfing pressure

 

[NeonNinja]

This makes me think that Cam Newton or Fairly might be the best players on the board then. I rather get Cam Newton or trade the pick off to someone else instead of giving Commanders the option to get him if the Cowboys not going to draft him.

Just stop, we're not taking Cam at 9.

 

[realtick]

There are a lot of folks on this board that will disagree, but I wouldn't touch Von Miller in the first 20-25 picks.

He's vastly overrated as a 6'2.5" 237 lb pass rusher.

He doesn't have any clear position in the NFL where he can step-in immediately as a fulltime starter. He may contibute as a pass rush specialist, but then you have to ask yourself, do you want to invest that high a pick (Top 15ish) for a part-time player?

He had one responsibility at A&M, rushing the QB. If you've watched his games/film you'll notice Miller has a very limited repitiore of pass rush moves. An outside speed-rush is effectively his only move. He's not a physical player by any stretch (ala 6'0" 242 James Harrison) and he was rarely called to cover backs or TEs outside of zone responsibilities at A&M.

Is he a bust? I won't go that far, as it remains to be seen how he takes to coaching and develops. The Senior Bowl practices/game may give a little insight.

What I am sure about is that he will not be a Day 1 type of contributor for a team that may need lean on him for production early in his career. IMO he may best be suited OLB in a 4-3.

 

[respectdatstar]

DE's in a 3-4 are primarily responsible for holding up the O-linemen so the linebackers can flow to the ball. They also have to take on alot of double teams from the Guard and Tackle. Quinn and Spence are more quick/fast speed guys. They aren't big enough or powerful enough to be sound at the 3-4 DE position.

Thank you for explaining. I do think that players like Quinn and Spencer could bulk up, increase their strength and be able to fill the position of a 34DE. The only thing that sucks there is, when you bulk up, you tend to lose speed.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

If there is a case where Dallas has these two guys on their wish list. Have them both graded the same. Can not find a partner to trade up or down to take someone else, do not have any other similarly graded players at a need position...in other words if it came down to them having to draft one of the two...

I believe Robert Quinn would be the better player.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Wow. It's crazy. Some of these people think 4-3 DEs or 3-4 OLBs can be 3-4 DEs.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Thank you for explaining. I do think that players like Quinn and Spencer could bulk up, increase their strength and be able to fill the position of a 34DE. The only thing that sucks there is, when you bulk up, you tend to lose speed.

You realize you are asking Spencer to add 40-45lbs? (ie, be in the 300lb+ range) He isn't just going to lose a little speed. He could probably add 15lbs and switch to 4-3 DE, but he already doesn't seem to have the speed to turn the corner at 260lb consistently so he probably wouldn't be an effective 4-3 pass rushing DE either.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The thing that worries me about Quinn is where and how he picked up a lot of his production. If you look at his games, he got a lot of his stats against weaker teams on the schedule. He's also got some off the field issues. A lot of the scouts say that he's more of a pass rusher then run defender. IDK. He's got talent, of that there is no question.

I don't love Miller.

 

[respectdatstar]

You realize you are asking Spencer to add 40-45lbs? (ie, be in the 300lb+ range) He isn't just going to lose a little speed. He could probably add 15lbs and switch to 4-3 DE, but he already doesn't seem to have the speed to turn the corner at 260lb consistently so he probably wouldn't be an effective 4-3 pass rushing DE either.

True. It would be much better to just find somebody that fit the bill there. I've just been experimenting with how we utilize the players we currently have.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

True. It would be much better to just find somebody that fit the bill there. I've just been experimenting with how we utilize the players we currently have.

I always thought that he might be able to play ILB. Bradies spot. He's pretty good against the run. He would have to learn the position. IDK. Might be a guy you trade to a 43 team if you decided to go in another direction at ROLB.

 

[realtick]

The thing that worries me about Quinn is where and how he picked up a lot of his production. If you look at his games, he got a lot of his stats against weaker teams on the schedule. He's also got some off the field issues. A lot of the scouts say that he's more of a pass rusher then run defender. IDK. He's got talent, of that there is no question.

I don't love Miller.

The same thing could be said about DeMarcus Ware at Troy. In fact, I would venture to say the opponents Quinn played at UNC were on the level a whole lot better than what Troy consistently faced.

JMO

 

[RESIN8]

The same thing could be said about DeMarcus Ware at Troy. In fact, I would venture to say the opponents Quinn played at UNC were on the level a whole lot better than what Troy consistently faced.

JMO

Ummm the ACC was pretty terrible this year. I mean the conference winner lost to James Madison?

 

[realtick]

Ummm the ACC was pretty terrible this year. I mean the conference winner lost to James Madison?

Umm, Quinn didn't play this past season.

Besides, are we really saying on any given year that the following football teams are better than ACC teams?

Arkansas Univ. at Little Rock
Arkansas State
Univ. of Denver
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Univ. of Louisiana at Lafayette
Univ. of Louisiana at Monroe
Middle Tennessee State
North Texas
Univ. of South Alabama
Western Kentucky Univ.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The same thing could be said about DeMarcus Ware at Troy. In fact, I would venture to say the opponents Quinn played at UNC were on the level a whole lot better than what Troy consistently faced.

JMO

The same could be said about a lot of players and the same has been said about a lot of players. Most of those players turned out to be nothing near Ware. I don't think it's a great idea to compare Ware to players. I'd say he is the exception in a lot of ways.

I don't have Ware's game stats but I do have Quinn's.

If you look at his sacks, here is what you see.

2009 -11 Sacks:

1 vs Citadel
2 vs East Carolina
3 vs Virginia
1 vs Georgia Southern
3 vs Duke
1 vs Boston College

None vs UConn, GTech, FSU, VTech, Miami or NCSt.

2008 - 2 Sacks:

1 vs VTech
1 vs Duke

None vs McNeese St., Rutgers, Miami, UConn, ND, Virginia, BC, GTech, Maryland or NCSt.

Quinn has also had off field issues. Ware never did.

I'm not saying Quinn isn't talented. I'm saying the sack numbers he generated in 2009 did not come against teams I would consider real good talent.

 

[btcutter]

I put my money on Quinn not going in the top 10 simply because he didn't play at all last year and have some off the field issues.

Can anyone name one player drafted in the top 10 who have NOT played a single down the previous year??

Dez is an amazing talent with off field issues and he dropped like a rock.

Miller is 235 lbs OLB in 3-4? Kind of light? Again, not sure if he's top 10 material.

 

[realtick]

The same could be said about a lot of players and the same has been said about a lot of players. Most of those players turned out to be nothing near Ware. I don't think it's a great idea to compare Ware to players. I'd say he is the exception in a lot of ways.

I don't have Ware's game stats but I do have Quinn's.

If you look at his sacks, here is what you see.

2009 -11 Sacks:

1 vs Citadel
2 vs East Carolina
3 vs Virginia
1 vs Georgia Southern
3 vs Duke
1 vs Boston College

None vs UConn, GTech, FSU, VTech, Miami or NCSt.

2008 - 2 Sacks:

1 vs VTech
1 vs Duke

None vs McNeese St., Rutgers, Miami, UConn, ND, Virginia, BC, GTech, Maryland or NCSt.

Quinn has also had off field issues. Ware never did.

I'm not saying Quinn isn't talented. I'm saying the sack numbers he generated in 2009 did not come against teams I would consider real good talent.

Lol, okay, we'll I guess we can't talk about DeMarcus Ware...

Quinn is a talent, and the fact he didn't register sacks in every single game doesn't bother me a bit.

At this point it's just nitpicking.

 

[realtick]

I put my money on Quinn not going in the top 10 simply because he didn't play at all last year and have some off the field issues.

Can anyone name one player drafted in the top 10 who have NOT played a single down the previous year??

Dez is an amazing talent with off field issues and he dropped like a rock.

Miller is 235 lbs OLB in 3-4? Kind of light? Again, not sure if he's top 10 material.

Mike Williams WR USC 2005