Quinn's Bear Front

[G2]

How is it against the run? Hopefully better.

 

[xwalker]

We saw Dan Quinn employ a so called 5 man line last season. The advantages of this, basically takes away double teams and gives every defender a single man matchup. This alignment had DLaw kick inside with Gregory and Parsons attacking the edges.

Now with the addition of Sam Williams and Dante Fowler, it potentially can become the Cowboys version of the Giants Nascar package of 4 DE's rushing the passer:

DLaw/Gallimore as the 2 down lineman
Parsons, Williams, Fowler stand up rushers

With all of them in single matchups, it's a huge advantage against any offensive line.

Apologize for no screen shots, but it is easy to see what Quinn is starting to put together.

No, Parsons was generally inside at LB in the 5 man DL sets.

1 DT, 4 DEs, Parsons at MLB and a Nickel DB.

Parsons on the edge was generally 4 DL plus Parsons at LB or 4 DL with Parsons at DE.

 

[Cowboyny]

No, Parsons was generally inside at LB in the 5 man DL sets.

1 DT, 4 DEs, Parsons at MLB and a Nickel DB.

Parsons on the edge was generally 4 DL plus Parsons at LB or 4 DL with Parsons at DE.

Thanks for the correction, 4 DE’s outside of Parsons

 

[Tangle_Foot]

Quinn's bare front? That's a hard pass no pun intended

 

[America's Cowboy]

I have no qualms with Quinn kicking Dlaw inside in the nickel rush packages .. but when DLaw does go inside, we have to have some else clearly capable of getting to the QB off the left end edge.
Marinelli did the same thing with DLaw occasionally to nickel DT in his 4-3 scheme.

- There’s certain packages and lanes and roles Quinn wants to employ his rushers
If I have a peeve, it’s his nickel packages which he’ll play at least 52% to 70% of the time,.. teams will seek to run the ball against that nickel set.

- And the more competitive team that are capable of running the ball will have a chance at our questionable run defense.

- We’re constantly switching out and changing our defensive personnel at times between plays,.. the hybrid move, but sometimes it may confuse opposing offenses, and sometimes it
Works against us, as we get wipe-washed out of lanes – that’s one reason why we tend to get out-physical" ....

I hear you.

Maybe with big John Ridgeway on board, along with his aggressive attitude, along with some of the other DTs a year into Dan Quinn’s Defensive philosophy, maybe that will better help stop the run by opposing Offenses?

 

[Bullflop]

I hear you.

Maybe with big John Ridgeway on board, along with his aggressive attitude, along with some of the other DTs a year into Dan Quinn’s Defensive philosophy, maybe that will better help stop the run by opposing Offenses?

Yup -- you beat me to it with the stuff about Ridgeway. What happened to the 350 pounder that MM discovered? Can't recall his name but I'm hoping he'll improve upon his work of last year. At any rate, I think this version of our DL vs. the run will improve. How much is yet to be seen.

 

[Pass2Run]

We saw Dan Quinn employ a so called 5 man line last season. The advantages of this, basically takes away double teams and gives every defender a single man matchup. This alignment had DLaw kick inside with Gregory and Parsons attacking the edges.

Now with the addition of Sam Williams and Dante Fowler, it potentially can become the Cowboys version of the Giants Nascar package of 4 DE's rushing the passer:

DLaw/Gallimore as the 2 down lineman
Parsons, Williams, Fowler stand up rushers

With all of them in single matchups, it's a huge advantage against any offensive line.

Apologize for no screen shots, but it is easy to see what Quinn is starting to put together.

I was saying the same thing a few days back: that they'll have plays where Parsons, Williams, and Fowler will all be on the field at once.

 

[Pass2Run]

Yup -- you beat me to it with the stuff about Ridgeway. What happened to the 350 pounder that MM discovered? Can't recall his name but I'm hoping he'll improve upon his work of last year. At any rate, I think this version of our DL vs. the run will improve. How much is yet to be seen.

I think Ridgeway struggles year one.

Needs to get stronger, work on faster hands, feet.

I'm hoping I'm wrong, though.

Like America's Cowboy was saying, we gotta get better at stopping the run.

 

[Bullflop]

I think Ridgeway struggles year one.

Needs to get stronger, work on faster hands, feet.

I'm hoping I'm wrong, though.

That's, actually, fair to say, although it's tough to predict accurately until the pads come on in TC and the regular season. Like any rookie, he'll be obliged to take his lumps and overcome his inexperience, in the meantime. I think you're right about his strength being questionable, though. We'll see how much his considerable size aids his performance. Hopefully, the hype offers sufficient truth to help his cause. It might take a while for him to make the grade. Here's hoping it's not too very long.

 

[CCBoy]

We saw Dan Quinn employ a so called 5 man line last season. The advantages of this, basically takes away double teams and gives every defender a single man matchup. This alignment had DLaw kick inside with Gregory and Parsons attacking the edges.

Now with the addition of Sam Williams and Dante Fowler, it potentially can become the Cowboys version of the Giants Nascar package of 4 DE's rushing the passer:

DLaw/Gallimore as the 2 down lineman
Parsons, Williams, Fowler stand up rushers

With all of them in single matchups, it's a huge advantage against any offensive line.

Apologize for no screen shots, but it is easy to see what Quinn is starting to put together.

 

[plymkr]

When i saw your title, .., i immediately thought Robert Quinn .and the Chicago Bears.

Lol, so did I

 

[gimmesix]

DLaw was actually better rushing the passer as a stand up rusher when he played that role with Nolan's defense. I believe he will be more of a down lineman in Quinn's schem.

I think it will be a mix. We'll see him some as an OLB in the pseudo-3-4. Probably with Armstrong as the other OLB since that's our run-defense package, with Odighizuwa/Golston/Watkins. Watkins/Ridgeway/Bohanna, Gallimore/Odighizuwa as the three linemen. But we'll probably use Basham some at Lawrence's OLB spot to keep Lawrence fresh for pass rushing. LVE and Parsons are the only true linebackers in that set.

Then, we'll either use Lawrence with his hand down at end or inside in the nickel, with either Gallimore andor Odighizuwa/Golston next to him and Fowler and/or Williams at end. i don't expect to see either Fowler or Williams out there much with the run defense.

 

[Pass2Run]

That's, actually, fair to say, although it's tough to predict accurately until the pads come on in TC and the regular season. Like any rookie, he'll be obliged to take his lumps and overcome his inexperience, in the meantime. I think you're right about his strength being questionable, though. We'll see how much his considerable size aids his performance, in the meantime. Hopefully, the hype offers sufficient truth to help his cause. It might take a while for him to make the grade. Here's hoping it's not too very long.

Yep, that's why Jordan Davis was a round 1 guy, and Ridgeway a later rounds guy. Davis already has the NFL strength. Ridgeway will need to work on it. He has the build to muscle up though. If he does, he may come along. If not, we have guys who can go right now.

Personally, I wanted Haskell the Rascal Garrett from Ohio state for interior line. But he went UDFA to the Titans and is more of a 3-tech.

 

[john van brocklin]

You hopefully will be right but just remember the Cowboys gave up 100 yards + rushing in 13 games of which they lost 5 of these. If that doesn't improve little progress will be made. 3WR'S maybe standard but if you cannot stop the run you won't go far

Room for improvement
But light years ahead of the dumpster fire from
The season before

 

[Bullflop]

Room for improvement
But light years ahead of the dumpster fire from
The season before

Neville gained weight and strength, according to reports and Osa will be a year further in development.

If healthy, they'll both improve. What to expect from Ridgeway and Bohanna might be anyone's guess.

 

[quickccc]

I hear you.

Maybe with big John Ridgeway on board, along with his aggressive attitude, along with some of the other DTs a year into Dan Quinn’s Defensive philosophy, maybe that will better help stop the run by opposing Offenses?

Ridgeway is a rookie who has to prove he belongs on the 53 roster, and not a practice squad. We just dunno what a 5th round (late round) rookie is gonna do.
And we really cannot put it all on one guy, one rookie and a long shot one, that is gonna metamorph the run defense by himself.

That's why i coveted an established, experienced veteran 1 tech whose specialty was stopping the run.
One that has a better chance at hitting the ground running, vs one who is gonna have to still learn the NFL trenches.

Our best best is hoping holdovers Gallimore, Osa and Hill significantly improve their game by leaps and bounds - in addition to DLaw staying healthy
and seeing what can become of the RDE.

And that's just the DL .. then comes the LBs ...

 

[john van brocklin]

Neville gained weight and strength, according to reports and Osa will be a year further in development.

If healthy, they'll both improve. What to expect from Ridgeway and Bohanna might be anyone's guess.

I am bullish on the defense

 

[America's Cowboy]

Ridgeway is a rookie who has to prove he belongs on the 53 roster, and not a practice squad. We just dunno what a 5th round (late round) rookie is gonna do.
And we really cannot put it all on one guy, one rookie and a long shot one, that is gonna metamorph the run defense by himself.

That's why i coveted an established, experienced veteran 1 tech whose specialty was stopping the run.
One that has a better chance at hitting the ground running, vs one who is gonna have to still learn the NFL trenches.

Our best best is hoping holdovers Gallimore, Osa and Hill significantly improve their game by leaps and bounds - in addition to DLaw staying healthy
and seeing what can become of the RDE.

And that's just the DL .. then comes the LBs ...

I hear you.

I would rather stick with our veterans to see if they can improve during training camp and preseason, than bring in some old vet 1-tech who is way past his prime but is going to demand a huge pay. Cowboys already tried that with 2-3 old vets from other teams back in 2020, and that experiment was a huge failure.

Also, aside from veteran DTs Osa, Hill and Gallimore, Chauncey Golston has gained 20 lbs of beef and muscle without losing his quickness while increasing his strength. I believe this bodes well for both Chauncey and the Cowboys because with his size (6'5") and new weight (from 268 --> to 285+), he can now play inside on the Dline and potentially become a sleeper weapon at DT for this Defense.

This is why I feel the Cowboys will be better inside along their Dline against the run.

 

[Runwildboys]

When i saw your title, .., i immediately thought Robert Quinn .and the Chicago Bears.

Better than thinking of Quinn's bare front.

 

[xwalker]

Thanks for the correction, 4 DE’s outside of Parsons

The 4-man DL plus Parsons up on the line is similar to a 5-man DL because of his ability to play as legit DE.

• With the true 5-man DL:
  • On some snaps, Parsons would rush inside and 1 or more DEs would drop into zone coverage.
  • Parsons is a terrific inside blitzing LB. Multiple of his sacks came from inside pass rushes.
  • The true 5-man DL would have eventually been in unfavorable coverage matchups if used too often.
  • Armstrong/DLaw/Gregory couldn't cover like LVE or Neal despite Gregory's athleticism.

• I predicted that Quinn would go after DEs that could also play coverage similar to 3-4 OLBs.
  • They signed Fowler who has played more seasons as a 3-4 OLB than seasons as a 4-3 DE.
  • Sam Williams played as a DE in both a 4-man and 3-man DL as well as a 3-4 type OLB.
  • It will rarely be a true 3-4 because they almost always play Nickel or Big Nickel.
  • To really mimic a 3-4, they would use 3 DTs. Odighi and Golston with his weight gain will be about the size of 3-4 DEs.
  • Last season they played a few snaps with Bohanna, Hamilton and Watkins as the 3 hand-down DLinemen.

Alignment really does not matter as much as the nuances of the scheme and coaching.
- In 2020, Nolan's used multiple front concepts, but he was unable to coach the players to execute his scheme.