Quinn's Bear Front

[America's Cowboy]

Yup -- you beat me to it with the stuff about Ridgeway. What happened to the 350 pounder that MM discovered? Can't recall his name but I'm hoping he'll improve upon his work of last year. At any rate, I think this version of our DL vs. the run will improve. How much is yet to be seen.

Hear, Hear...BF!!! I totally agree with you.

As for that 350 pound DT that Quinn supposedly found during last year's draft, you're talking about 2nd year DT player, Quinton Bohanna. It would be great to see Bohanna take a 2nd year drastic improvement since that would make two big, strong and aggressive 1-techs for our Dline in Ridgeway and Bohanna (both 6'5" and 325+ pounds each).

 

[America's Cowboy]

Better than thinking of Quinn's bare front.

 

[xwalker]

Yup -- you beat me to it with the stuff about Ridgeway. What happened to the 350 pounder that MM discovered? Can't recall his name but I'm hoping he'll improve upon his work of last year. At any rate, I think this version of our DL vs. the run will improve. How much is yet to be seen.

Bohanna played at around 350 in college but his during his Pro Day weigh-in, he was 327 pounds.

Either way, Quinn is not reluctant to use DTs with size.
- Marinelli, with the Cowboys, rarely had a DT over 305 pounds.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Better than thinking of Quinn's bare front.

Oooh, behave!

 

[Bullflop]

Bohanna played at around 350 in college but his during his Pro Day weigh-in, he was 327 pounds.

Either way, Quinn is not reluctant to use DTs with size.
- Marinelli, with the Cowboys, rarely had a DT over 305 pounds.

Yep, he'll be a bigger DT than what we've seen in quite some time. Hopefully those big fellas will stabilize our DL vs. the run, assuming they'll develop, as hoped. We'll see.

 

[Typhus]

The 4-man DL plus Parsons up on the line is similar to a 5-man DL because of his ability to play as legit DE.

• With the true 5-man DL:
  • On some snaps, Parsons would rush inside and 1 or more DEs would drop into zone coverage.
  • Parsons is a terrific inside blitzing LB. Multiple of his sacks came from inside pass rushes.
  • The true 5-man DL would have eventually been in unfavorable coverage matchups if used too often.
  • Armstrong/DLaw/Gregory couldn't cover like LVE or Neal despite Gregory's athleticism.

• I predicted that Quinn would go after DEs that could also play coverage similar to 3-4 OLBs.
  • They signed Fowler who has played more seasons as a 3-4 OLB than seasons as a 4-3 DE.
  • Sam Williams played as a DE in both a 4-man and 3-man DL as well as a 3-4 type OLB.
  • It will rarely be a true 3-4 because they almost always play Nickel or Big Nickel.
  • To really mimic a 3-4, they would use 3 DTs. Odighi and Golston with his weight gain will be about the size of 3-4 DEs.
  • Last season they played a few snaps with Bohanna, Hamilton and Watkins as the 3 hand-down DLinemen.

Alignment really does not matter as much as the nuances of the scheme and coaching.
- In 2020, Nolan's used multiple front concepts, but he was unable to coach the players to execute his scheme.

Always in tune X, and Im looking forward to see how Cox is transitioned in to the defense, will he be what Quinn wanted from Neal?

 

[jrumann59]

DLaw was actually better rushing the passer as a stand up rusher when he played that role with Nolan's defense. I believe he will be more of a down lineman in Quinn's schem.

AN improvement over what he did in Nolans is a low bar. He just does not look natural and it does not play to his strength which is leverage I think that is why he is much better 3 point stance type of guy.

 

[jrumann59]

- i think it's because Dlaw has a knack for getting skinny inside an OG for penetration. It's similar to what the Giants used to do with DE Justin Tuck, and moving him inside vs
interior OGs, who just could not deal with their interior quickness and agility.

- Outside at the edge at DE, DLaw has to beat OTs with advance hand technique, because he has at best, above average quickness and he's not an elite athlete, or explosiveness.
He has to work and labor harder to get his sacks and it doesn't come as easy as naturally as say a Randy Gregory.

- It'd be great to have someone else emerge enuff so he won't have to take as many snaps and downs that probably is wearing down his body and taking a toll as the
years go by. i tend to wonder if the hampering injuries is physically limiting him as a productive pass rusher.

Repeat shoulder injuries are probabaly one of the worst things to have for a DL especially a DE, you use the shoulder for everything from pass rush moves to taking on trap/wham blocks.

 

[BAT]

Defending the run, is a whole another subject. I am speaking more about obvious passing situations. You would think, Williams/Fowler will offer solid egge rushing abilities, where they can allow DLaw to play within the interior.

Nascar package cannot be a complete liability vs run.

Giants kicked Tuck inside but he was nasty vs run.

 

[BAT]

I hear you.

Maybe with big John Ridgeway on board, along with his aggressive attitude, along with some of the other DTs a year into Dan Quinn’s Defensive philosophy, maybe that will better help stop the run by opposing Offenses?

Ridgeway is all talk until he shows it in real NFL games.

 

[Cowboyny]

Nascar package cannot be a complete liability vs run.

Giants kicked Tuck inside but he was nasty vs run.

I'm talking more about obvious passing situations, it's not an early down alignment.

 

[Cowboyny]

AN improvement over what he did in Nolans is a low bar. He just does not look natural and it does not play to his strength which is leverage I think that is why he is much better 3 point stance type of guy.

It's really up to him, they aren't forcing him to be an standup rusher.

 

[Cowboyny]

The 4-man DL plus Parsons up on the line is similar to a 5-man DL because of his ability to play as legit DE.

• With the true 5-man DL:
  • On some snaps, Parsons would rush inside and 1 or more DEs would drop into zone coverage.
  • Parsons is a terrific inside blitzing LB. Multiple of his sacks came from inside pass rushes.
  • The true 5-man DL would have eventually been in unfavorable coverage matchups if used too often.
  • Armstrong/DLaw/Gregory couldn't cover like LVE or Neal despite Gregory's athleticism.

• I predicted that Quinn would go after DEs that could also play coverage similar to 3-4 OLBs.
  • They signed Fowler who has played more seasons as a 3-4 OLB than seasons as a 4-3 DE.
  • Sam Williams played as a DE in both a 4-man and 3-man DL as well as a 3-4 type OLB.
  • It will rarely be a true 3-4 because they almost always play Nickel or Big Nickel.
  • To really mimic a 3-4, they would use 3 DTs. Odighi and Golston with his weight gain will be about the size of 3-4 DEs.
  • Last season they played a few snaps with Bohanna, Hamilton and Watkins as the 3 hand-down DLinemen.

Alignment really does not matter as much as the nuances of the scheme and coaching.
- In 2020, Nolan's used multiple front concepts, but he was unable to coach the players to execute his scheme.

Outside of DLaw, I think all our edge rushers have that ability to play some coverage.

 

[xwalker]

Hear, Hear...BF!!! I totally agree with you.

As for that 350 pound DT that Quinn supposedly found during last year's draft, you're talking about 2nd year DT player, Quinton Bohanna. It would be great to see Bohanna take a 2nd year drastic improvement since that would make two big, strong and aggressive 1-techs for our Dline in Ridgeway and Bohanna (both 6'5" and 325+ pounds each).

They kept Bohanna on the 53 in 2021 to develop for 2022.
- In 2021, in the games Hamilton was active, he played more snaps than Bohanna.
- Bohanna was not active for the playoff game. They went with Hill as the 4th DT in that game.

 

[xwalker]

Always in tune X, and Im looking forward to see how Cox is transitioned in to the defense, will he be what Quinn wanted from Neal?

In theory Jabril Cox is perfect in that role as the coverage LB.

His issue has been run defense; however, being a better run defending LB than Neal should not be difficult.

 

[jrumann59]

In theory Jabril Cox is perfect in that role as the coverage LB.

His issue has been run defense; however, being a better run defending LB than Neal should not be difficult.

Which was odd considering Neal sucked in coverage.

 

[America's Cowboy]

They kept Bohanna on the 53 in 2021 to develop for 2022.
- In 2021, in the games Hamilton was active, he played more snaps than Bohanna.
- Bohanna was not active for the playoff game. They went with Hill as the 4th DT in that game.

It's going to be interesting to see if Bohanna makes the 53 man roster this year.

 

[charron]

Lb will be real interesting to watch. Can LVE stay healthy, what about that rookie stepping in sometimes? What about cox? If Micah doesn't have to play LB it really frees him up to attack and the lion can not be contained.

 

[zrinkill]

Quinn's Bear Front

Gross

 

[zrinkill]

We saw Dan Quinn employ a so called 5 man line last season. The advantages of this, basically takes away double teams and gives every defender a single man matchup. This alignment had DLaw kick inside with Gregory and Parsons attacking the edges.

Now with the addition of Sam Williams and Dante Fowler, it potentially can become the Cowboys version of the Giants Nascar package of 4 DE's rushing the passer:

DLaw/Gallimore as the 2 down lineman
Parsons, Williams, Fowler stand up rushers

With all of them in single matchups, it's a huge advantage against any offensive line.

Apologize for no screen shots, but it is easy to see what Quinn is starting to put together.

In all seriousness though ..... This is a great post