"We didn't blitz that much"--Bill Parcells

[Screw The Hall]

It's about overwhelming strategic points of your opponent. This is done by being fast and numerous. In the grand scheme of the war, a unit that would blitzkrieg would be relatively small. However, the unit would always outnumber the particular opponent it was attacking.

Which goes back to the point of numbers not really mattering in a blitz.

If you send four guys to the QB but three are being sent from an overloaded side it creates a mismatch out of speed and confusion ... like a blitzkrieg.

You create a numbers advantage without there really being one.

 

[superpunk]

Give me an example where my definition doesn't fit (excluding the scenario where MW and I discussed earlier).

Are you not reading what I'm even typing? Egads......

 

[theogt]

Which goes back to the point of numbers not really mattering in a blitz.

If you send four guys to the QB but three are being sent from an overloaded side it creates a mismatch out of speed and confusion ... like a blitzkrieg.

Actually it goes back to numbers being relevant. As I said it took a swift unit that outnumbered your immediate opponent to overtake them.

You can take 10 tanks and drive 5 tanks at them as quickly as you possibly can. I'll put my money on the 10 tanks. Numbers are obviously relevant.

 

[theogt]

Are you not reading what I'm even typing? Egads......

Yes, when you're overloading a gap you're sending 5 or more defenders or you are overloading a gap by using a stunt. A stunt is not a blitz. Sending 5 or more defenders is.

 

[Screw The Hall]

Actually it goes back to numbers being relevant. As I said it took a swift unit that outnumbered your immediate opponent to overtake them.

You can take 10 tanks and drive 5 tanks at them as quickly as you possibly can. I'll put my money on the 10 tanks. Numbers are obviously relevant.

Not so .. the overall numbers aren't on the attackers side only the utilization of more numbers at a single point.

So even though you have 5 blockers and I only send four if I send the bulk of them to one strategic point it overloads the protection ... like a blitzkrieg.

 

[superpunk]

Yes, when you're overloading a gap you're sending 5 or more defenders or you are overloading a gap by using a stunt. A stunt is not a blitz. Sending 5 or more defenders is.

This is not a blitz? Excuse the crappy paint job.

http://img125.*************/img125/3336/blitzum7.png

They can't block all 4.

Also, you don't need 5 players to overload a gap. You really only need three. If the line doesn't recognize what's happening, or realizes too late, the QB is toast.

 

[Vintage]

This is not a blitz? Excuse the crappy paint job.

http://img125.*************/img125/3336/blitzum7.png

They can't block all 4.

One man's crap is another man's brilliance.

Think about that.

 

[theogt]

Not so .. the overall numbers aren't on the attackers side only the utilization of more numbers at a single point.

So even though you have 5 blockers and I only send four if I send them to one strategic point it overloads the protection ... like a blitzkrieg.

??? I thought numbers were irrelevant?

 

[Screw The Hall]

This is not a blitz? Excuse the crappy paint job.

http://img125.*************/img125/3336/blitzum7.png

They can't block all 4.

Also, you don't need 5 players to overload a gap. You really only need three. If the line doesn't recognize what's happening, or realizes too late, the QB is toast.

Exactly.

 

[superpunk]

??? I thought numbers were irrelevant?

Specific numbers are irrelevant in the definition. Don't get crazy.

 

[theogt]

This is not a blitz? Excuse the crappy paint job.

http://img125.*************/img125/3336/blitzum7.png

They can't block all 4.

Also, you don't need 5 players to overload a gap. You really only need three. If the line doesn't recognize what's happening, or realizes too late, the QB is toast.

Yes, that is a blitz. THe LDE will be pushing forward. That means 5 men are rushing.

 

[Screw The Hall]

??? I thought numbers were irrelevant?

The overall numbers are. However I can send four rushers and present a number problem for you on one side.

 

[superpunk]

Yes, that is a blitz. THe LDE will be pushing forward. That means 5 men are rushing.

The LDE is playing contain. He isn't going anywhere. Only four men are rushing.

 

[theogt]

The LDE is playing contain. He isn't going anywhere. Only four men are rushing.

He will be pushing forward. No play is ever designed for the DE to just squat down and play contain. He may not be rushing forward as strongly as possible, but he pushing forward and occupying a blocker.

Ok. Try and come up with another one that doesn't fit my definition.

 

[NorthTexan95]

If you think that 5 defensive players rushing towards the passer is not a blitz, then we'll simply have to agree to disagree.

If a defense have five down linemen who rush the passer on every passing play then that's not a blitz. You're trying to apply some big, grand definition to what a blitz is when there really is no big or grand definition.

As someone who has played the game ... coached the game ... and spent a lot of time watching film with coaches ... let me explain how a coach would look at it.

I you're watching a film where a team is playing a 5-2 defense with 5 down linemen and on a pass play all five rush the quarterback then there's not a coach in the world who would say they are blitzing. Now if two of those linemen drop off into coverage and a linebacker rushes ... any coach in the world will call that a blitz.

Another example .. if you're watching film of a 3-4 defense and one of the outside backers rushes on every single pass play then they probably will NOT say the backer is blitzing ... they'll just consider him a rushing end.

It all comes down to what position they play and how often they rush. Everyone expects defensive linemen to rush the quarterback. Linebackers and defensive backs aren't usually expected to rush everytime. When they do a coach will call it a blitz.

One other note: coaches don't usually only use the word "blitz" except as a generic term. They will usually use their own terminology like "dog" or (for Dallas) cobra when watching another team. If you polled every coach on the Cowboys individually what a blitz is you'd probably get different answers. Why? Because there is no true definition. It's all subjective. Blitz is just a generic term. What one team calls a blitz another team might not.

 

[Vintage]

He will be pushing forward. No play is ever designed for the DE to just squat down and play contain. He may not be rushing forward as strongly as possible, but he pushing forward and occupying a blocker.

Ok. Try and come up with another one that doesn't fit my definition.

He just did.

 

[superpunk]

He will be pushing forward. No play is ever designed for the DE to just squat down and play contain. He may not be rushing forward as strongly as possible, but he pushing forward and occupying a blocker.

Ok. Try and come up with another one that doesn't fit my definition.

Why are you telling me what my DE in my play is going to be doing? This play busts your definition. He's not engaging anyone. He's making sure the QB doesn't break the pocket and roll out should he spot the blitz coming.

The number of rushers does not matter. Your definition is a nice notion, but too concrete. The play I showed busts the definition.

 

[theogt]

If a defense have five down linemen who rush the passer on every passing play then that's not a blitz. You're trying to apply some big, grand definition to what a blitz is when there really is no big or grand definition.

Sure it is a blitz.

As someone who has played the game ... coached the game ... and spent a lot of time watching film with coaches ... let me explain how a coach would look at it.

I'm glad you've designated yourself as the supreme authority ont his subject.

I you're watching a film where a team is playing a 5-2 defense with 5 down linemen and on a pass play all five rush the quarterback then there's not a coach in the world who would say they are blitzing.

Most coaches would call that a blitz.

Now if two of those linemen drop off into coverage and a linebacker rushes ... any coach in the world will call that a blitz.

Not if only 4 players are rushing the QB.

Another example .. if you're watching film of a 3-4 defense and one of the outside backers rushes on every single pass play then they probably will NOT say the backer is blitzing ... they'll just consider him a rushing end.

Exactly. This fits under my definition.

It all comes down to what position they play and how often they rush. Everyone expects defensive linemen to rush the quarterback. Linebackers and defensive backs aren't usually expected to rush everytime. When they do a coach will call it a blitz.

This contradicts your statement directly above.

One other note: coaches don't usually only use the word "blitz" except as a generic term. They will usually use their own terminology like "dog" or (for Dallas) cobra when watching another team. If you polled every coach on the Cowboys individually what a blitz is you'd probably get different answers. Why? Because there is no true definition. It's all subjective. Blitz is just a generic term. What one team calls a blitz another team might not.

Irrelevant to the conversation. When charting a game anyone can quantify the number of times that a team blitzes. How do they do this? By the definition that's been given.

 

[theogt]

Why are you telling me what my DE in my play is going to be doing? This play busts your definition. He's not engaging anyone. He's making sure the QB doesn't break the pocket and roll out should he spot the blitz coming.

The number of rushers does not matter. Your definition is a nice notion, but too concrete. The play I showed busts the definition.

He is pushing forward and engaging blocker. This counts as the fifth man under my definition. Please, keep trying to "bust" my definition.

 

[theogt]

He just did.

Sorry, he didn't. I explained why. Would you like to try and "bust" my definition? Please do.