"We didn't blitz that much"--Bill Parcells

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If a corner or safety rushes the passer and the LB goes into coverage that is more akin to a zone blitz, which is not technically a blitz.

this is what i was originally responding to. you changed your tune after you realized that this comment was blatantly WRONG but hey Im glad you were able to pick it up eventually.

good for you.

 

[Screw The Hall]

If a corner or safety rushes the passer and the LB goes into coverage that is more akin to a zone blitz, which is not technically a blitz.

I have to say that the first time I ever hear an analyst or coach describe any play where a CB or S rush the QB as anything other than a blitz then I'll give that more consideration.

Until then it will remain a blitz to me.

Also one other little sidenote.

When looking up a saftey or corner blitz I can't find anywhere that it mentions the number that are rushing ... just the fact that the saftey or corner rush is enough to warrant it a blitz.

Anyway that's enough for me ... I really was trying to help not join the frey.

 

[theogt]

this is what i was originally responding to. you changed your tune after you realized that this comment was blatantly WRONG but hey Im glad you were able to pick it up eventually.

good for you.

Are you trying to say that when I said "is more akin to a zone blitz" that I was saying "is a zone blitz?

Stunning really that your reading comprehension is this finely attuned.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I half to say that the first time I ever hear an analyst or coach describe any play where a CB or S rush the QB as anything other than a blitz then I'll give that more consideration.

Until then it will remain a blitz to me.

Also one other little sidenote.

When looking up a saftey or corner blitz I can't find anywhere that it mentions the number that are rushing ... just the fact that the saftey or corner rush is enough to warrant it a blitz.

Anyway that's enough for me ... I really was trying to help not join the frey.

i actually thought youre original definition from the chi paper provided quite a bit of levity but im beginning to think ogt and myself are past the whole olive branch phase.

what do you think ogt?

 

[theogt]

I half to say that the first time I ever hear an analyst or coach describe any play where a CB or S rush the QB as anything other than a blitz then I'll give that more consideration.

Until then it will remain a blitz to me.

Also one other little sidenote.

When looking up a saftey or corner blitz I can't find anywhere that it mentions the number that are rushing ... just the fact that the saftey or corner rush is enough to warrant it a blitz.

Anyway that's enough for me ... I really was trying to help not join the frey.

Eh...this is debatable and very well may be an exception to the rule. Regardless you will rarely ever see us rush a DB without also rushing 3 linemen and a LB.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Are you trying to say that when I said "is more akin to a zone blitz" that I was saying "is a zone blitz?

Stunning really that your reading comprehension is this finely attuned.

its not even akin. it has NOTHING TO DO WITH A ZONE BLITZ. as long as you understand that then were all good.

thank you please drive through

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Eh...this is debatable and very well may be an exception to the rule. Regardless you will rarely ever see us rush a DB without also rushing 3 linemen and a LB.

but if we did then the dreaded 'excpetion' and thus why i hate your definition.

if youre not on the LOS youre a blitzer. nice simple and concise

 

[theogt]

its not even akin. it has NOTHING TO DO WITH A ZONE BLITZ. as long as you understand that then were all good.

thank you please drive through

Sure it is akin to the zone blitz. In a traditional zone blitz in a 4-3, a DE will drop into coverage and a LB or DB will rush the passer. In a 3-4, you will never see a DE drop into coverage. The 4-3 DE is essentially the 3-4 OLB. Therefore, it is very much akin to the zone blitz.

 

[theogt]

i actually thought youre original definition from the chi paper provided quite a bit of levity but im beginning to think ogt and myself are past the whole olive branch phase.

what do you think ogt?

I was all about olive branches until you said I my position was garbage out of nowhere.

 

[Bleu Star]

lmao... where do you guys find the energy to debate such a cut & dry subject? : If it's 5+ coming then it's a blitz.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

lmao... where do you guys find the energy to debate such a cut & dry subject? : If it's 5+ coming then it's a blitz.

 

[Screw The Hall]

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

i was thining about going back into it but i just decided to hold off.

 

[Ben_n_austin]

YOURE WRONG, DEAL WITH IT

I think that I could easily find a few posts of yours in which you were wrong - several times.

I wouldn't start calling the kettle black, pot.

 

[Rack]

Its true, I am one of the moderators of the about.com football forum. I will get back with you tommorrow with his answer

Both of you are wrong, and right.


There is no SET defintion of what a blitz is cuz different teams run different fronts/schemes.


In a 3-4 it is common for an OLB to rush the passer. When this happens, it is NOT a blitz. It's basically running a 4-3 but not letting the offense know which OLB is actually the DE (rough description).

So in that sense, I agree with theogt.


Anytime a DB rushes the QB (whether he's the 3rd rusher or the 8th rusher) it IS a blitz.



So in that sense I agree with fuzzy.


My definition, IMO, is still the best one so far.

"Any time a player rushes the passer that does not normally rush the passer, it is a blitz"

Basic, yes I know. But accurate IMO.

 

[theogt]

Ok, ok. I'll conced a little.

My definition would go like this:

Any time five or more defenders rushes the quarterback or when a defensive back rushes the quarterback.

I think this definition covers all bases. Let me know if there are any "blitzes" not covered under this definition.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Ok, ok. I'll conced a little.

My definition would go like this:

Any time five or more defenders rushes the quarterback or when a defensive back rushes the quarterback.

I think this definition covers all bases. Let me know if there are any "blitzes" not covered under this definition.

The only "blitz" that wouldn't be covered under your definition is a 3-4 zone blitz where only the OLB and ILB on one side "blitz" while the DE on that side drops into coverage.

 

[Hostile]

Both of you are wrong, and right.


There is no SET defintion of what a blitz is cuz different teams run different fronts/schemes.


In a 3-4 it is common for an OLB to rush the passer. When this happens, it is NOT a blitz. It's basically running a 4-3 but not letting the offense know which OLB is actually the DE (rough description).

So in that sense, I agree with theogt.


Anytime a DB rushes the QB (whether he's the 3rd rusher or the 8th rusher) it IS a blitz.



So in that sense I agree with fuzzy.


My definition, IMO, is still the best one so far.

"Any time a player rushes the passer that does not normally rush the passer, it is a blitz"

Basic, yes I know. But accurate IMO.

I just want to echo this post. This is why I said originally Rack is right and gave you a ridiculous scenario of 10 dropping and a DB blitzing. It would never happen of course, it was just an example.

There is no perfect, set it in stone definition of a blitz. Everyone discussing this has been right in some way or another.

 

[ravidubey]

If 6 men are rushing the passer, it is a blitz. If 3 linemen are rushing the passer and the corner rushes the passer, but both OLB do not rush the passer it is not technically a blitz, though this is very similar to a zone blitz as I mentioned above.

The question was rhetorical; a blitz is defined differently for every scheme. Every member of a DL is rushing the passer during a pass play; if the standard set is 6 DL, then it is not a blitz.

 

[WV Cowboy]

And it took 18 pages to come to the conclusion that everyone is right and everyone is wrong because there is no real definition of "blitz" because each team can do it different ??

:laugh1:

:

This has to have set some sort of record !