"We have been running 2-TE sets"

[BigDFan5]

Bledsoe passed out of a 2 TE set a total of 77 times, he threw out of a 1 TE set 268 times and 0 TE set 100 times

Barber ran out of 2 TE set 33 times a 1 TE set 74 times and 0 TE set 21 times

Julius ran out of 2 TE set 42 times out of 1 TE set 147 times and 0 TE set 38 times



That is 648 plays that were either 0 or 1 TE sets

and 152 plays run from a 2 TE set

total of


800 plays 19% were 2 TE sets



So when I hear we always ran the 2 TE set I am trying to figure out when we ran it?

 

[superpunk]

I don't know. Ask Charles. I've already trotted down this road.

 

[iceberg]

Bledsoe passed out of a 2 TE set a total of 77 times, he threw out of a 1 TE set 268 times and 0 TE set 100 times

Barber ran out of 2 TE set 33 times a 1 TE set 74 times and 0 TE set 21 times

Julius ran out of 2 TE set 42 times out of 1 TE set 147 times and 0 TE set 38 times



That is 648 plays that were either 0 or 1 TE sets

and 152 plays run from a 2 TE set

total of


800 plays 19% were 2 TE sets



So when I hear we always ran the 2 TE set I am trying to figure out when we ran it?

after the draft, jjones himself said they already run it.

 

[superpunk]

after the draft, jjones himself said they already run it.

Every team "runs" it. The claim I think BigD is referring to is that it was our base set, or our main set, when we ran and passed out of the I formation or 3 WR sets far more often. The assumption by some is that this is going to continue to be business as usual, just with more talent. I don't buy it.

 

[BigDFan5]

after the draft, jjones himself said they already run it.

Ok he said they run it, but the numbers can't lie out of 800 plays between Bledsoe, JJ, and Barber only 19% of them were 2 TE sets. So if we run a base 2 TE set why did we not actually have 2 TEs on the field?

 

[rexrobinson]

Yeah but we are going to run it most of the time now, especially on 3rd down's to create the mismatch of a Tight End on a linebacker rather than a slot receiver on a nickelback.

 

[InmanRoshi]

One drastic change I see from last year to this year is that we always used the 3 WR set not only for long down and distances, but also for intermediate. If it was more than 3 yards to go, we were definitely bringng in Crayton/Price.

 

[Charles]

Bledsoe passed out of a 2 TE set a total of 77 times, he threw out of a 1 TE set 268 times and 0 TE set 100 times

Barber ran out of 2 TE set 33 times a 1 TE set 74 times and 0 TE set 21 times

Julius ran out of 2 TE set 42 times out of 1 TE set 147 times and 0 TE set 38 times



That is 648 plays that were either 0 or 1 TE sets

and 152 plays run from a 2 TE set

total of


800 plays 19% were 2 TE sets



So when I hear we always ran the 2 TE set I am trying to figure out when we ran it?

Where did you get these stats?

 

[iceberg]

Ok he said they run it, but the numbers can't lie out of 800 plays between Bledsoe, JJ, and Barber only 19% of them were 2 TE sets. So if we run a base 2 TE set why did we not actually have 2 TEs on the field?

no, i agree. when jj said that it made me wonder why we felt it was so "new" for us. hard to argue hard #'s though - so good post. helps me anyway understand the differences coming up this year.

 

[superpunk]

Where did you get these stats?

The same place I got them before.....probably

 

[Charles]

The same place I got them before.....probably

Where would that be?

 

[superpunk]

Where would that be?

ESPN, which gets their stats from stats.inc.

 

[RCowboyFan]

I think what they meant was, they have run 2 TE sets, just not as effective before. At least thats what I thought they meant. Plus it was not "the" base offense.

It will be probably now. So I guess you are correct in saying they didn't do that primarily last year, but this year they might be, depending obvoiusly how Fasano works etc.

 

[BigDFan5]

Where did you get these stats?

ESPN.com went to each player (Bledsoe, Barber, Jones) and looked at the split stats. It has the stats for every situation including 0-1-2-3 TE sets

 

[BigDFan5]

no, i agree. when jj said that it made me wonder why we felt it was so "new" for us. hard to argue hard #'s though - so good post. helps me anyway understand the differences coming up this year.

See I didn't remember alot of 2 TE sets so when they said we were going 2 TE it was something new to me. We could triple the amount of 2 TE sets and barely be over half the plays. I think this could be very beneficial to the Cowboys

 

[BigDFan5]

I think what they meant was, they have run 2 TE sets, just not as effective before. At least thats what I thought they meant. Plus it was not "the" base offense.

It will be probably now. So I guess you are correct in saying they didn't do that primarily last year, but this year they might be, depending obvoiusly how Fasano works etc.

My post is mainly directed at a few posts I have seen here where people mention we ran a base 2 TE set last season

Like this one I saw in another thread

Wrong. We have been running it as our base offense. Parcells in one of his recent PC's I think said they ran the 2 TE 80% of the time.

Like others have said, however, now it has more juice.

 

[RCowboyFan]

My post is mainly directed at a few posts I have seen here where people mention we ran a base 2 TE set last season

Like this one I saw in another thread

Yeah, some went overboard with it, as usual on this board

 

[BigDFan5]

Yeah, some went overboard with it, as usual on this board

lol

 

[Charles]

My post is mainly directed at a few posts I have seen here where people mention we ran a base 2 TE set last season

Like this one I saw in another thread

At the moment I am looking for the exact time during the Press Conference that Parcells stated we have used the 2TE set.

Maybe you guys with doubts can go back and listen to the Press conference again. Parcells clearly stated that the 2 TE set has been a Base formation and went on to say we've used it at a very high percentage.

Jeff Ireland was also on a morning talk show where we clearly stated we ran alot of the 2 TE set.

The 2TE set has been a staple. Why hasn't anyone gone back to the 2003 and 2004 seasons to get stats? I am guessing it will be fruitless because the Head Coach can state we use the 2TE set 80% of the time last year and Stats Inc or ESPN will differ.

 

[iceberg]

At the moment I am looking for the exact time during the Press Conference that Parcells stated we have used the 2TE set.

Maybe you guys with doubts can go back and listen to the Press conference again. Parcells clearly stated that the 2 TE set has been a Base formation and went on to say we've used it at a very high percentage.

Jeff Ireland was also on a morning talk show where we clearly stated we ran alot of the 2 TE set.

*BASE* - can be interpreted a lot of different ways. it could also be the "base" of other formations that are *not* two TE sets.

how can you look at a play breakdown and *still* say it's something else?

why don't you take the time to refute it factually and not w/supposition?