Rafael Vela: Pick 28: And the Winner Is…

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Pick 28: And the Winner Is…

By Rafael Vela

I’m up. 27 players have gone before me, in this order:
16) CARDINALS - Mike Jenkins (CB, South Florida)
17) VIKINGS - Leodis McKelvin (CB, Troy)
18) TEXANS - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (CB, Tennessee St)
19) EAGLES - Kenny Phillips (S, Miami)
20) BUCS - Aqib Talib (CB, Kansas)
21) Commanders - Kentwan Balmer (DL, North Carolina)
22) COWBOYS - Jonathan Stewart (RB, Oregon)
23) STEELERS - Quentin Groves (DE, Auburn)
24) TITANS - DeSean Jackson (WR, California)
25) SEAHAWKS - Brian Brohm (QB, Louisville)
26) JAGUARS - Philip Merling (DE, Clemson)
27) CHARGERS - Gosder Cherilus (OT, Boston College)


Who to pick? It’s been a struggle, because this year there’s less consensus on players beyond the top six to eight than I’ve ever seen. Only you move beyond the Longs, McFadden, Dorsey, Ryan, Gholston and Ellis things start to fluctuate — heavily.


The consensus falls apart even more at 28. But I’m going to use some sleuthing to winnow the list down. Here are my tools. But first, a digression.


I think that given this board, the real Cowboys would be trying with all their might to deal down into the early 2nd and get an extra pick. The question is with whom? Brian Brohm is off the board. The Falcons took Matt Ryan at three so that eliminates a major trade partner for a guy like Michigan QB Chad Henne. Miami might be a partner at 32, but only if Dallas could produce another team looking to leapfrog the Dolphins. Might the Chiefs at 36 or the Ravens at 39 be looking to jump?


It’s food for thought but I have to make a pick. Back to my decision:
I. A consensus board. The closest tools I have to an actual NFL consensus draft board are Rick Gosselin’s mock drafts. Gosselins has peerless sources and gets the best hard data out of war rooms. His second draft wavered a bit because he was trying to fit players to team needs. His first mock, on the 11th, gives the best glimpse thus far into the process. Eliminating the players who have already been taken from my NBC draft, these are the best available suspects:
  • Fred Davis, TE, USC
  • Jerod Mayo, LB, Tenn.
  • James Hardy, WR, Indiana
  • Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
I’ve taken the liberty of a minor bit of Gosselinology here. In the April 11th draft, which assigned players according to their relative value, Gosselin awarded WR Reggie Kelly to the Giants at 31. In the April 18th draft he put Sweed in that slot. This tells me that Sweed was just behind Kelly in the initial rating but may have overtaken the O.U. wideout after Kelly’s latest lackluster workout.


In any case I’m going with these four. Davis does not fit into the latest mock, which makes me wonder if there’s more variance in his grades or if he’s just not a good fit for the teams in the last half dozen picks of round one? He’s not a 1st round good fit for Dallas, with Jason Witten in the lineup.


II. That said, the Cowboys like all five players and had all of them in for visits last week. Given that they’re all cheek-to-jowl in Gosselin’s ratings, I’m also guessing their grades are roughly equivalent, which means Dallas would be justified in prioritizing needs here.


That narrows the list to Hardy, Sweed and Kelly, in my opinion. If Dallas went strictly off its board, it could take Mayo, but would likely trade down first. And the Cowboys would have interested parties, since lots of teams like Mayo. But I can’t trade. so Mayo will stay on the board for somebody else.


III. But what about the cornerbacks, you’re asking? What about Antoine Cason? Or Brandon Flowers? I’m going to offer three bits of information to discount them here:
  1. A good source, who has spoken to people in the Dallas war room has told me the team will not force a pick at that spot for a WR or CB at 28 if they have to stay and pick.
  2. Another source told me he had heard a mock draft on Dallas radio where the Cowboys’ selector took Felix Jones at 22 and Penn State CB Justin King at 28. He told me, “Felix Jones is okay at the first spot but if the Penn State corner is the best they can do at 28, then Jerry should trade up for McFadden, ’cause he can do better.” In other words, he’s not clear that King is good value at 28.
  3. You’ve no doubt seen photos of the dry erase board from the Dallas coaches room that had a list of draftable DBs on it. It appeared on Giants’ and Eagles’ blogs a few weeks ago. People strained their eyeballs to try to figure out who was on it. The top five names were the four big DBs — Rogers-Cromartie, McKelvin, Jenkins, Talib — and safety Kenny Phillips. After them came Iowa DB Charles Godfrey and Arkansas State safety Tyrell Johnson. Who’s missing? Cason, Flowers, King and Tracy Porter.
I asked a source to check on the validity of this list. In other words, does it have any relevance to the team’s thinking or was this simply the ratings of a defensive coach? He talked to somebody he knows in the organization and the response was, “I’m keeping my mouth shut on that [the board].” In other words, this might not be the definitive DB list on the Cowboys’ big board, but it’s close.


Add it up and the DBs slide to round two. That doesn’t mean the Cowboys don’t like Cason, Flowers, Porter and Godfrey. They invited all four of these guys to Valley Ranch. And I’ve read in a couple of places that they’re quietly excited about Johnson, who could be a dark horse pick if they move down into early round two. But unless the Cowboys are hiding Johnson in plain sight, I would not rate these guys at 28.


So I’m down to Hardy and Sweed. I think Kelly’s medical question marks — how bad are his knees? — and his poor 40 times have dropped him. That doesn’t make the choice easier. Both Hardy and Sweed have question marks. Hardy has had monster games but he’s also had invisible games. He’s also had some off-field problems.


Sweed was the top rated WR entering the season but a wrist injury shut him down early. I’ve spoken to at least one scout who says wrists are huge red flags at Sweed’s position, because they can become chronic problems.
Which problem do I downplay or emphasize? Both of these guys have the size and athleticism to become #1 receivers. And I’m not going to use Dallas’ lust for the ‘09 title to over-think this. The point is to get the best player for the long term. I have not heard any more on Sweed’s wrist so I’m going to assume he checks out.


Going with that, I’m giving him the nod. When they’re 100% I think he’s the better player.


So, with the 28th pick, because I have to make the 28th pick, I’m selecting Texas WR Limas Sweed for the Cowboys
 

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If nothing else, nobody can say Vela doesn't think long and hard about these things... I'd be quite thrilled to land Stewart and Sweed in round one, then Godfrey in round two... that would be a terrific first day...

But I'd rather the Boys trade one of their firsts for a veteran WR (we all know the 3 names hot on the rumor mill), or failing that, trade down a bit with pick 28...

But Rafael could be on my draft team any day...
 

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Vela's run on DB's starting at 16 really is the nightmare scenario for the Cowboys at the corner position. This makes Jerry's interest in Pacman look like a move born out of necessity rather than luxury.

We'll see.
 

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lspain1;2041879 said:
Vela's run on DB's starting at 16 really is the nightmare scenario for the Cowboys at the corner position. This makes Jerry's interest in Pacman look like a move born out of necessity rather than luxury.

We'll see.
Unfortunately I believe you are absolutely correct. Watching those CB's drop before 22 will be painful.

As usual, I would sure like to be a fly on the wall in the war room.
 

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lspain1;2041879 said:
Vela's run on DB's starting at 16 really is the nightmare scenario for the Cowboys at the corner position. This makes Jerry's interest in Pacman look like a move born out of necessity rather than luxury.

We'll see.

I think you're right.

I'm not big on Cason at #28, even though others are. I don't see him being the best value there.

No sense forcing the draft.
 

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I have this dirty feeling that if those players are the only ones left at 28, and if Dallas can not find a partner to trade down with, they will take Mayo.

I am not saying that is who I want...I just have a feeling that if the scenario falls like that, Mayo will be the one chosen.

:(
 

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BrAinPaiNt;2041896 said:
I have this dirty feeling that if those players are the only ones left at 28, and if Dallas can not find a partner to trade down with, they will take Mayo.

I am not saying that is who I want...I just have a feeling that if the scenario falls like that, Mayo will be the one chosen.

:(


Something like that could happen, especially if they trade for Pacman.
 

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MichaelWinicki;2041899 said:
Something like that could happen, especially if they trade for Pacman.

Winicki...I need comfort and encouragement that this will NOT happen...not you coming in and saying it COULD happen.:)
 

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very good analysis work by Vela......maybe Mr. Jones should get this guy in our draft room
 

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BrAinPaiNt;2041900 said:
Winicki...I need comfort and encouragement that this will NOT happen...not you coming in and saying it COULD happen.:)

Oh, I was just trying to make your Sunday bright & cheery. :D
 

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BrAinPaiNt;2041900 said:
Winicki...I need comfort and encouragement that this will NOT happen...not you coming in and saying it COULD happen.:)
Good grief as much as I hate to agree with Winky :)D) it easily could happen. That will be an unpopular choice no doubt. If Seattle trades out, we could be stuck at 28. UGH!
 

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I know this probably won't be a popular response, but, over on another board there is thread entitled "Bear's 2008 draft spreadsheet". It is a very well put together analysis of the cowboy's needs and has a value appointed to all picks relevant to Dallas. The poster is Silverbear and is in my opinion a very respected and knowledgeable poster.I am not really comfortable posting this as it pertains to another board, so I am not naming what board it is.I think most here can probably assume which one.I would not even mention it if wasn't such an excellent and in depth analysis.Any way for those who are really big on the draft you will find it very useful and will appreciate the man's effort for sure.I hope nobody's mad for me posting this, but this time of year I go to many sites for any nuggets I can find.I assure you this forum is the first stop every time,all the time.
 

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ndanger;2041922 said:
I know this probably won't be a popular response, but, over on another board there is thread entitled "Bear's 2008 draft spreadsheet". It is a very well put together analysis of the cowboy's needs and has a value appointed to all picks relevant to Dallas. The poster is Silverbear and is in my opinion a very respected and knowledgeable poster.I am not really comfortable posting this as it pertains to another board, so I am not naming what board it is.I think most here can probably assume which one.I would not even mention it if wasn't such an excellent and in depth analysis.Any way for those who are really big on the draft you will find it very useful and will appreciate the man's effort for sure.I hope nobody's mad for me posting this, but this time of year I go to many sites for any nuggets I can find.I assure you this forum is the first stop every time,all the time.
He posted it in the Draft Zone a couple of days ago.

No I am not kidding :D
 

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big dog cowboy;2041925 said:
He posted it in the Draft Zone a couple of days ago.

No I am not kidding :D

Sorry Big dog, I don't spend as much time in the draft zone as I do here.I get wore out with all the Maddenesque mock stuff as it is. I will go check it out and see what everyone thought about it.Thanks.
 

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ndanger;2041940 said:
Sorry Big dog, I don't spend as much time in the draft zone as I do here.I get wore out with all the Maddenesque mock stuff as it is. I will go check it out and see what everyone thought about it.Thanks.
That's cool. I just mentioned that so everyone would know his list can be found there.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;2041896 said:
I have this dirty feeling that if those players are the only ones left at 28, and if Dallas can not find a partner to trade down with, they will take Mayo.

I am not saying that is who I want...I just have a feeling that if the scenario falls like that, Mayo will be the one chosen.

:(

another freakin LB? why not a TE while we are at it. This place will be downright scary if we draft a LB in Round 1.
 

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Cbz40;2041860 said:
[*]Another source told me he had heard a mock draft on Dallas radio where the Cowboys’ selector took Felix Jones at 22 and Penn State CB Justin King at 28. He told me, “Felix Jones is okay at the first spot but if the Penn State corner is the best they can do at 28, then Jerry should trade up for McFadden, ’cause he can do better.” In other words, he’s not clear that King is good value at 28.

How? Does Jerry have a time machine and go back and re-do the draft. What a dumb comment.
 

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lspain1;2041879 said:
Vela's run on DB's starting at 16 really is the nightmare scenario for the Cowboys at the corner position. This makes Jerry's interest in Pacman look like a move born out of necessity rather than luxury.

We'll see.

The Pacman deal is essential to us seeding our draft picks..IMO.

I agree with Vela..the top CB's will be gone before we pick at #22 and #28.

Then it's about looking at that next level of need and how best to fill it.

I'd take his draft right now and grin all the way to Mini-camp.

Especially if Pacman can be acquired somewhere in this mix.

We'll see.

:starspin RedBaLL ExPreSS:starspin
 

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big dog cowboy;2041948 said:
That's cool. I just mentioned that so everyone would know his list can be found there.

What did you think about it? I thought Silverbear did an outstanding job on it myself.I have seen him doing this for a few years now and enjoy having it handy on draft day.
 

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LOL @ Cason and Flowers being "forced picks" but Justin King being "the best they can do."

I just don't think the draft is quite Vela's thing.
 
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