Rams shall beat the cowboys

[yungruffryder]

A)The fine line between trolling and smack talk is whether the smack is legit. Yours is....how do I put this...subpar?
1)Mark Bulger is possibly the most inconsitant QB in football,
2)Martz needs to be coaching HS ball,
3)Bruce is past his prime at best,
4)half your defense is on the wrong side of 30, and there's a reason we let Coakley go.

BTW, a parting gift for our dear friend Aeneas Williams:

1)Facts please
2)He averages 10 wins a year in pro-football.
3)He is 5th in the nfl in receing yards. Ill gladly take his over-the-hill status.
4)That is a lie. Only Little and Coakley are over 30.

A)If I'm a troll, than you are too. You have no legit argument to back-up your claims.

 

[zorg222]

1)Coakley is an instant upgrade over Polley.

2)Speculation.

3)More speculation. Although I do like JJ. You brought up 0 facts to back this up.

4)Yup, the Rams sure could have used his fumbles like they did in 2002 and the Giants in 2004. Bulger is progressing nicely (higher rating and completion rate than 2 years ago) and has upside. Warner is only going downhill from here. Especially with lesser weapons than he had in 1999.

5)Well, since Bledsoe is over the hill, WR can't make QB's look good and your receiving core besides Witten scares no1, I think that your passing attack will be below-average.

6) We went 8-8 with a worse d than the 1 that we will have this year. Better defense will give us a few more wins.

7)Please, if any of us is trolling here, its YOU. You just came in with no substance to back up your claims. I brought up real issues about both teams. You did not. Now you want me banned because you can not answer my posts with valid arguments. As for the cowboyszone part; I meant the homer section; NOT smacktalk.

You want facts, you got'em.



Here are the facts:

JJ had 4.2 yds per carry out of 197 attempts. Steven may have had 5 yds per carry, but he only had 134 attempts. In a dif of 63 carries, JJ had 3 more TDs. JJ also had about 250 more yds than Jackson and JJ didn't even play the whole year. As far as the receiving thing goes, JJ had 109 yds. and Jackson had 189 yds, 80 yds dif ain't that much. Plus, JJ didn't play most of the year. Those numbers tell me that these two guys are about the same except JJ, is a little better. And after the 2005 season JJ will be WAY better than Jackson (even if that is just speculation).

As far as your crappy D is concerned, you had 871 tackles, 34 sacks, and 17 fumb. rec. last year.

Our crappy D last year was as follows, 788 tackles, 33 sacks, 20 fumb. rec.

Your crappy D was as bad as our crappy D last year and that ain't good. Coakley isn't gonna fix that. We made improvements EVERYWHERE and THAT WILL fix our probs.

Now the QBs, Bulger had a 3964 yds last year bet he won't do it again though (inconsistent), Bledsoe had 2932 last year, he could put that up again, it's solid.

Just for fun, let's look at Warner, 2054 yds last year. Ah booie, he's crap.






EDIT: One more thing, Bulger's passer rating isn't up from two years ago, it was 101.5, then it was 81.4, then it was 93.7. That's not progressing, that is fluxuating(supports the inconsistency thing). You must have been mistaken.

 

[The30YardSlant]

1)Facts please
2)He averages 10 wins a year in pro-football.
3)He is 5th in the nfl in receing yards. Ill gladly take his over-the-hill status.
4)That is a lie. Only Little and Coakley are over 30.

A)If I'm a troll, than you are too. You have no legit argument to back-up your claims.

Issac Bruce's stats are inflated because of the pass oriented offense he is in, as well as the fact that he has arguably the best WR in football beside him to take pressure off him. He is no longer a #1 caliber WR

Of course Martz can average 10 wins a season, he has had some of the best talent in football the last 5 years. Yet with all that talent, including 2 years when he had probably the best team in football, he couldnt win when it counted. Anyone can win regular season games with great talent, it takes a real coach to win when the games matter most. Martz has proven, time and again, he cant do it. Last year he got lit up by the Falcons in the playoffs. The year before he lost to Carolina, a heavy underdog, at home. In 2001, he made key errors in judgement down the stretch that cost SZt. Louis a SB title. In 2000, he lost to, wait for it, the NEW ORLEANS SAINTS in the playoffs. Care to guess how many playoff wins New Orleans has in the last 20 years? So thats 4 playoff appearences with only 3 wins and a choke job in the SB. Impressive

And if you need me to go back and post the homerism that is everyone of your 7 posts, your're worse off than I thought. Bledsoe is an interception machine, yet him and Bulger had almost identical TD/INT ratios last season. Imagine that? Steven Jackson, who played in 14 games last year, rushed for 673 yards and 5 TDs. Julius Jones, who played in just 8 games last year, rushed for 819 yards and 7 TDs, yet somehow Jones has no criteria for being better than Jackson? JJ caught just 2 fewer passes in 6 less games than Jackson.

I know, I know, I brought actual facts into the discussion, shame on me.

 

[yungruffryder]

You want facts, you got'em.



Here are the facts:

1)JJ had 4.2 yds per carry out of 197 attempts. Steven may have had 5 yds per carry, but he only had 134 attempts. In a dif of 63 carries, JJ had 3 more TDs. JJ also had about 250 more yds than Jackson and JJ didn't even play the whole year. As far as the receiving thing goes, JJ had 109 yds. and Jackson had 189 yds, 80 yds dif ain't that much. Plus, JJ didn't play most of the year. Those numbers tell me that these two guys are about the same except JJ, is a little better. And after the 2005 season JJ will be WAY better than Jackson (even if that is just speculation).

2)As far as your crappy D is concerned, you had 871 tackles, 34 sacks, and 17 fumb. rec. last year.

Our crappy D last year was as follows, 788 tackles, 33 sacks, 20 fumb. rec.

Your crappy D was as bad as our crappy D last year and that ain't good. Coakley isn't gonna fix that. We made improvements EVERYWHERE and THAT WILL fix our probs.

Now the QBs, Bulger had a 3964 yds last year bet he won't do it again though (inconsistent),

3)Bledsoe had 2932 last year, he could put that up again, it's solid.

Just for fun, let's look at Warner, 2054 yds last year. Ah booie, he's crap.


EDIT: One more thing, Bulger's passer rating isn't up from two years ago, it was 101.5, then it was 81.4, then it was 93.7. That's not progressing, that is fluxuating(supports the inconsistency thing). You must have been mistaken.

Good, you brought up facts, now we can talk.

1) Jackson was the backup to Marshall Faulk until the niners game. And he is playing for a pass 1st offense. But yeah, JJ did run better (proved he could carry the load).

2) The belief is that the formely terrible lb corps will now be solid thx to Coakley, Claiborne (was a solid MLB in Detroit, stunk as OLB in Minny) and Tinoisamoa. This will help in the run-defense.

3)Bledsoe could repeat his numbers from Buffalo. They are not high to begin with. I dont have a postive view of the cowboys WR. Witten is a superstar in the making, though.

Edit response: I considered last year to be the 2004 season and 2003 was 2 years ago. Also, when Bulger replaced Warner in 2002, Martz decided to mostly run the ball because Bulger did not know the offense. This inflated his numbers. A year later, the air-martz approach returned, and his numbers suffered.

12.3+ rating over a year is pretty darn good. If the offensive line holds its own (NOT allowing the awful 50 sacks), Bulger will surpass 4000 yrds with a 90+ rating.

 

[zorg222]

Good, you brought up facts, now we can talk.

1) Jackson was the backup to Marshall Faulk until the niners game. And he is playing for a pass 1st offense. But yeah, JJ did run better (proved he could carry the load).

2) The belief is that the formely terrible lb corps will now be solid thx to Coakley, Claiborne (was a solid MLB in Detroit, stunk as OLB in Minny) and Tinoisamoa. This will help in the run-defense.

3)Bledsoe could repeat his numbers from Buffalo. They are not high to begin with. I dont have a postive view of the cowboys WR. Witten is a superstar in the making, though.

Edit response: I considered last year to be the 2004 season and 2003 was 2 years ago. Also, when Bulger replaced Warner in 2002, Martz decided to mostly run the ball because Bulger did not know the offense. This inflated his numbers. A year later, the air-martz approach returned, and his numbers suffered.

12.3+ rating over a year is pretty darn good. If the offensive line holds its own (NOT allowing the awful 50 sacks), Bulger will surpass 4000 yrds with a 90+ rating.

1) we agree there

2) I guess the LB core will be better, but don't get too excited about Coakley, he's not all that.

3) Most outsiders don't have a good view of our WRs. We have a lot of no names that are going to be good. Book it.

4) Yeah, but Bulger still has his ups and downs, but stats can't really show that. Then again, every guy has his ups and downs.

You guys' O-Line will be a deciding factor on Bulger's performence. I don't see them doing well this year though. Losing Turley sucks for y'all IMO. He had bad character , may turn out to be a good thing after all.

G'Night Everyone

 

[yungruffryder]

1)Issac Bruce's stats are inflated because of the pass oriented offense he is in, as well as the fact that he has arguably the best WR in football beside him to take pressure off him. He is no longer a #1 caliber WR

2)Of course Martz can average 10 wins a season, he has had some of the best talent in football the last 5 years. Yet with all that talent, including 2 years when he had probably the best team in football, he couldnt win when it counted. Anyone can win regular season games with great talent, it takes a real coach to win when the games matter most. Martz has proven, time and again, he cant do it. Last year he got lit up by the Falcons in the playoffs. The year before he lost to Carolina, a heavy underdog, at home. In 2001, he made key errors in judgement down the stretch that cost SZt. Louis a SB title. In 2000, he lost to, wait for it, the NEW ORLEANS SAINTS in the playoffs. Care to guess how many playoff wins New Orleans has in the last 20 years? So thats 4 playoff appearences with only 3 wins and a choke job in the SB. Impressive

3)And if you need me to go back and post the homerism that is everyone of your 7 posts, your're worse off than I thought. Bledsoe is an interception machine, yet him and Bulger had almost identical TD/INT ratios last season. Imagine that? Steven Jackson, who played in 14 games last year, rushed for 673 yards and 5 TDs. Julius Jones, who played in just 8 games last year, rushed for 819 yards and 7 TDs, yet somehow Jones has no criteria for being better than Jackson? JJ caught just 2 fewer passes in 6 less games than Jackson.

I know, I know, I brought actual facts into the discussion, shame on me.

1)In other words, he is the top #2 receiver in the league. We all know he is a #1 receiver in other cities such as KC, Jacksonville, Denver, Cleveland, Baltimore, Dallas, Washington, Minnesota, Tennessee, NY 2x, Miami...

2)The flaw in your argument is that he helped develop the talent that he had (GSOT comes from him). He did not simply inherit it by luck. Also, the rams have been raided by other teams in the past few years. Only Holt, Bruce, Pace, Tiimmerman, Mccollum and Little are current starters of the 99 team (Faulk is now a backup).

A little off topic, but how come Reid Fox and Dungy do not get critisised for losing to Belichick. It seems that Martz is the only coach who get bashed this much by the media. As for the rest, well you can argue that the rams have underacheived. However, coaches always have a learning curve to go through (Belichick is a great exemple).

3)
Bulger scores a td once in 23 throws
Bledsoe td once in 22.5 throws
Advantage Bledsoe

Bulger gets picked once in 34.6 throws
Bledsoe once in 28 throws
That is a huge difference. Claiming otherwise is madness.

I will add that Bulger's passing carried the rams to the playoffs. Bledsoe had a defense and running game (2nd half of the year) and failed to beat a backup team to get there.

 

[CalMor]

Didnt we win the last time we met? Oh yea, we did, Roy Williams knocked Warner out of the game. Its all coming back to me now.

 

[Tio]

1)In other words, he is the top #2 receiver in the league. We all know he is a #1 receiver in other cities such as KC, Jacksonville, Denver, Cleveland, Baltimore, Dallas, Washington, Minnesota, Tennessee, NY 2x, Miami...

Bruce would not be starting above terry glenn. Mabe Key, but not terry.

A little off topic, but how come Reid Fox and Dungy do not get critisised for losing to Belichick. It seems that Martz is the only coach who get bashed this much by the media. As for the rest, well you can argue that the rams have underacheived. However, coaches always have a learning curve to go through (Belichick is a great exemple).

Because the pats were 10-6 that year and got to the sb by a fluke BS call. They were not the dominant team the pats are today.

3)
Bulger scores a td once in 23 throws
Bledsoe td once in 22.5 throws
Advantage Bledsoe

Bulger gets picked once in 34.6 throws
Bledsoe once in 28 throws
That is a huge difference. Claiming otherwise is madness.

Bledsoe sucks imo, but we won't be leaning on him like your team will be leaning on Bulger.

I will add that Bulger's passing carried the rams to the playoffs. Bledsoe had a defense and running game (2nd half of the year) and failed to beat a backup team to get there.

Bulgers passing led to an 8-8 record in the weakest division in the NFL.

 

[yungruffryder]

1)Bruce would not be starting above terry glenn. Mabe Key, but not terry.

2)Because the pats were 10-6 that year and got to the sb by a fluke BS call. They were not the dominant team the pats are today.

3)Bledsoe sucks imo, but we won't be leaning on him like your team will be leaning on Bulger.

4)Bulgers passing led to an 8-8 record in the weakest division in the NFL.

1)What did Glenn accomplish do to be be ranked ahead of Bruce?

2) The pats were 11-5 and had a 1st round bye. They won a playoff game at Pittsburgh to get to the sb. They had the best CB in the league at the time and had a great winning streak. Overall, they were much better than people give them credit for.

3)Valid point.

4)With a little more help, his passing will lead us to even greater things. our division had 2 teams in the playoffs. Yours had 3 with losing records.

 

[zorg222]

1)What did Glenn accomplish do to be be ranked ahead of Bruce?

2) The pats were 11-5 and had a 1st round bye. They won a playoff game at Pittsburgh to get to the sb. They had the best CB in the league at the time and had a great winning streak. Overall, they were much better than people give them credit for.

3)Valid point.

4)With a little more help, his passing will lead us to even greater things. our division had 2 teams in the playoffs. Yours had 3 with losing records.

1) Remember Glenn played 10 less games than Bruce last year AND we didn't throw to Glenn that much. Glenn's total yardage to catches ratio was about the same as Bruce's. Glenn had 16.7 yds per catch while Bruce only had 14.5 yds per catch. Who's the better WR? And after the '05 season when Glenn gets more thrown his way, it will be undisputed, Glenn certainly has criteria to be better than Bruce.

2) I agree with Tio that they weren't the team they are today.

4) I thought you said that Holt and Bruce were great? Why do you say you need more help when, according to you, the Rams have the two great WRs?

And another thing(in response to number 4) you guys had 2 teams in the playoffs, one went in the first round, one went in the second round, and that's only because they played each other in the first round. Your division was so weak last year, that 9-7 won it. The NFC was so weak last year as a whole 8-8 got you a wildcard spot. The one team from our division went to the SB. Plus, they had a 13-3 record, much better than any team in your division. And you guys had two teams picking in the top 10 this year in the draft. The bottom one was #8. The other one was #1. We had one team in the top ten and they were borderline at #9. It sounds to me like your division IS the weakest division in the NFL.

 

[TobiasEagle77]

There are so many holes in YRR's post's that I would just love to point out... but as much as I dislike the Rams, I can't give you 'boyz fans any ammo. I'll just let you guys fight your own battles.

GO EAGLES!!

 

[zorg222]

There are so many holes in YRR's post's that I would just love to point out... but as much as I dislike the Rams, I can't give you 'boyz fans any ammo. I'll just let you guys fight your own battles.

GO EAGLES!!

And most pointless post of the day goes to...

I saw a lot of homerism in his early posts and have found a little homerism or him asking for facts when he sometimes put in speculation and didn't actually give any facts to support it, but when we came back he wanted us to use facts and acted like he was using facts when in reality, he was just using speculation himself.

But his posts have gotten better as the thread goes forward. He did get a little flip-floppy at places and I called him on it, I think.

 

[TobiasEagle77]

And most pointless post of the day goes to...

Well, it's so hard for me to NOT give my opinion... I had to let something squeek out to keep the dam from bursting

 

[CalMor]

Well, it's so hard for me to NOT give my opinion... I had to let something squeek out to keep the dam from bursting

You know, its comments like this that keeps me from hating you.

 

[zorg222]

Well, it's so hard for me to NOT give my opinion... I had to let something squeek out to keep the dam from bursting

Opinion, geez, some people... you would think they would know by now that this is a cult forum and everything we say came in a PM from one of the mods titled 'type this or else'.
It just doesn't apply to fans from other teams, they have other things for them... just wait. You'll be hypnotized into a boyz fan in no time.

I'm probably gonna get another stick beating for saying that, darn. Before it's too late, get outta here, I know your a Eagle's fan but your still a human being, for the love of god get out of here while you still can!

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Opinion, geez, some people... you would think they would know by now that this is a cult forum and everything we say came in a PM from one of the mods titled 'type this or else'.
It just doesn't apply to fans from other teams, they have other things for them... just wait. You'll be hypnotized into a boyz fan in no time.

I'm probably gonna get another stick beating for saying that, darn. Before it's too late, get outta here, I know your a Eagle's fan but your still a human being, for the love of god get out of here while you still can!

:

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Well, it's so hard for me to NOT give my opinion... I had to let something squeek out to keep the dam from bursting

Spit it out...it's a Rams fan so who cares

 

[TobiasEagle77]

You'll be hypnotized into a boyz fan in no time.

No way, that's why I've got my Eagles fight song que-ed up on musicmatch. I know about you guys and your dirty tricks

as long as you guys toss me a few decent smilies I'll keep coming back
:skins: :bomb: :storm: :lombardi: :trophy:

 

[KINGBRICE_28]

The funniest part is that he actually believes this.......

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You can't win the division when the cardinals are 4 games ahead of you



thats pretty scary because they are a good team this year......The quicker warner goes down the quicker they will clinch......

 

[yungruffryder]

1) Remember Glenn played 10 less games than Bruce last year AND we didn't throw to Glenn that much. Glenn's total yardage to catches ratio was about the same as Bruce's. Glenn had 16.7 yds per catch while Bruce only had 14.5 yds per catch. Who's the better WR? And after the '05 season when Glenn gets more thrown his way, it will be undisputed, Glenn certainly has criteria to be better than Bruce.

2) I think they beat the Raiders to get to the SB, not positive though, but they did have to beat the Raiders and they got a fluke call in that game that got them the win. I agree with Tio that they weren't the team they are today.

4) I thought you said that Holt and Bruce were great? Why do you say you need more help when, according to you, the Rams have the two great WRs?

And another thing(in response to number 4) you guys had 2 teams in the playoffs, one went in the first round, one went in the second round, and that's only because they played each other in the first round. Your division was so weak last year, that 9-7 won it. The NFC was so weak last year as a whole 8-8 got you a wildcard spot. The one team from our division went to the SB. Plus, they had a 13-3 record, much better than any team in your division. And you guys had two teams picking in the top 10 this year in the draft. The bottom one was #8. The other one was #1. We had one team in the top ten and they were borderline at #9. It sounds to me like your division IS the weakest division in the NFL.

1)He may have the criteria (which is speculation), but he does not have the production. He needs to show more. I guess this is a wait and see.

2)Here is how it all went:
Wk 17. The Raiders had a chance to get a 1st round bye by beating the Jets who were playing for the final WC spot. They failed, thus handing the 2nd spot to the Pats. A week later, they crushed the Jets at home in the playoffs, earning a trip to Foxboro, where they lost in a controversial manner (snowbowl 1). Pittsburgh, the number 1 seed, crushed the ravens in the divisional round and faced the pats in the AFC championship game. They lost. The Patriots were much better than people had us believe (14 pt underdog is rediculous)

4)I meant help on defense and ST. The receiving core is more than capable.

edit: In other words, your division consists of one strong team and 3 losers. This explain why the Eagles had HFA so quickly; 6 of their games were gimmies. Its nice to see you carrying the "we s@@@, but our main rivals are better than you" retort. Does it work?