Rams shall beat the cowboys

[The30YardSlant]

1)In other words, he is the top #2 receiver in the league. We all know he is a #1 receiver in other cities such as KC, Jacksonville, Denver, Cleveland, Baltimore, Dallas, Washington, Minnesota, Tennessee, NY 2x, Miami...

2)The flaw in your argument is that he helped develop the talent that he had (GSOT comes from him). He did not simply inherit it by luck. Also, the rams have been raided by other teams in the past few years. Only Holt, Bruce, Pace, Tiimmerman, Mccollum and Little are current starters of the 99 team (Faulk is now a backup).

A little off topic, but how come Reid Fox and Dungy do not get critisised for losing to Belichick. It seems that Martz is the only coach who get bashed this much by the media. As for the rest, well you can argue that the rams have underacheived. However, coaches always have a learning curve to go through (Belichick is a great exemple).

3)
Bulger scores a td once in 23 throws
Bledsoe td once in 22.5 throws
Advantage Bledsoe

Bulger gets picked once in 34.6 throws
Bledsoe once in 28 throws
That is a huge difference. Claiming otherwise is madness.

I will add that Bulger's passing carried the rams to the playoffs. Bledsoe had a defense and running game (2nd half of the year) and failed to beat a backup team to get there.

Because in the Pats other 2 SB wins, they were the better team. St. Louis had the better team and a chance to win late, and they still couldnt because Martz played a deep zone and let the Pats march down the field so Viniteri could cement his spot in the HOF.

Bluger threw 21 TDs and 15 INTs last year, Bledsoe threw 20 TDs and 16 INTs. Very similar ratios. And Bledsoe is what, 8 years older than Bulger?

And I wouldnt start Bruce over Glenn here, nor would I start him over Coles or Toomer in NYx2, Moss in Washington, Mason in Baltimore, or Smith in Denver (well....maybe....tough call).

Bledsoe isnt capable of carrying a team anywhere, and he wont have to here. Bulger will be forced to carry his team while Jackson matures and your defense.....pretends to try and stop people.

 

[zorg222]

1)He may have the criteria (which is speculation), but he does not have the production. He needs to show more. I guess this is a wait and see.

2)Here is how it all went:
Wk 17. The Raiders had a chance to get a 1st round bye by beating the Jets who were playing for the final WC spot. They failed, thus handing the 2nd spot to the Pats. A week later, they crushed the Jets at home in the playoffs, earning a trip to Foxboro, where they lost in a controversial manner (snowbowl 1). Pittsburgh, the number 1 seed, crushed the ravens in the divisional round and faced the pats in the AFC championship game. They lost. The Patriots were much better than people had us believe (14 pt underdog is rediculous)

4)I meant help on defense and ST. The receiving core is more than capable.

edit: In other words, your division consists of one strong team and 3 losers. This explain why the Eagles had HFA so quickly; 6 of their games were gimmies. Its nice to see you carrying the "we s@@@, but our main rivals are better than you" retort. Does it work?

1) Yeah, whatever. He'll out do Bruce next year, book it. Even if that is technically speculation.

2) The Rams were better than them at the time. Nowadays NO ONE is better than the Pats. Therefore the Pats weren't the team they are now back then, they weren't the undisputed best.

3) D and ST don't help the QB, they help the team. When you say a QB needs help, you're usually talking about the WRs, or in some rare occasions, the OL.

5) The divisions went as follows (keep in mind, 8-8 might as well be a losing record, it's not a good record)

NFC EAST
1) winning by an impressive margin
2) losing
3) losing
4) losing

NFC WEST
1) barely winning (by one
game)
2) losing(tied, whatever)
3) losing by an impressive
margin
4) losing by an impressive
margin

Those FACTS look to me like your division IS worse than our division, not much you can say about it, bub. You can't argue facts. Compared to the rest of the NFL, you guys ARE indeed the weakest division in the NFL. Plus, our division has improved A LOT and you guys HAVE NOT, IMO. Actually, if you asked anybody else, I'm sure it would be their opinion, too.

BTW, you can say 'suck' here without putting asterisks in it. See, suck, suck, suckity, suck. However, you can't do that with another word that rhymes with 'suck'.

 

[Tio]

Duck?
















please don't ban me mods, I'll be a good boy. Whats that for Winicki? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

[yungruffryder]

1) Yeah, whatever. He'll out do Bruce next year, book it. Even if that is technically speculation.

2) The Rams were better than them at the time. Nowadays NO ONE is better than the Pats. Therefore the Pats weren't the team they are now back then, they weren't the undisputed best.

3) D and ST don't help the QB, they help the team. When you say a QB needs help, you're usually talking about the WRs, or in some rare occasions, the OL.

5) The divisions went as follows (keep in mind, 8-8 might as well be a losing record, it's not a good record)

NFC EAST
1) winning by an impressive margin
2) losing
3) losing
4) losing

NFC WEST
1) barely winning (by one
game)
2) losing(tied, whatever)
3) losing by an impressive
margin
4) losing by an impressive
margin

Those FACTS look to me like your division IS worse than our division, not much you can say about it, bub. You can't argue facts. Compared to the rest of the NFL, you guys ARE indeed the weakest division in the NFL. Plus, our division has improved A LOT and you guys HAVE NOT, IMO. Actually, if you asked anybody else, I'm sure it would be their opinion, too.

BTW, you can say 'suck' here without putting asterisks in it. See, suck, suck, suckity, suck. However, you can't do that with another word that rhymes with 'suck'.

1)Since you are into the booking stuff, then Barron will outdo who ever is your RT. Book it.

2)Thats a lie. Very few teams defeated the Pats when Brady replaced Bledsoe. Also The rams were NOT a powerhouse the previous year; they were 10-6 and got the 6th seed. In fact, the SB the rams did win was by a yard. I am very happy with the win, but its not like they were head and shoulders above the rest, either.

How can you tell they were not the undisputed best back then? They did win the SB. They had the same coach that torches the Colts routinely. Their defense in 2001 was better then the one they went to the other SB. The media simply never knew about them in 2001, while their team was much more well known in the following years.

3)I should have used my words more carefully. That said, the o-line play will be improved this year. Book-it.

5)I have no problem our division was the weakest. So what? My team still went to the playoffs and won a game. Its no reason to put your head down.

 

[zorg222]

1)Since you are into the booking stuff, then Barron will outdo who ever is your RT. Book it.

2)Thats a lie. Very few teams defeated the Pats when Brady replaced Bledsoe. Also The rams were NOT a powerhouse the previous year; they were 10-6 and got the 6th seed. In fact, the SB the rams did win was by a yard. I am very happy with the win, but its not like they were head and shoulders above the rest, either.

How can you tell they were not the undisputed best back then? They did win the SB. They had the same coach that torches the Colts routinely. Their defense in 2001 was better then the one they went to the other SB. The media simply never knew about them in 2001, while their team was much more well known in the following years.

3)I should have used my words more carefully. That said, the o-line play will be improved this year. Book-it.

5)I have no problem our division was the weakest. So what? My team still went to the playoffs and won a game. Its no reason to put your head down.

1) I wouldn't be surprised.

2) It's not a lie, it's opinion. The Rams loss one more game than the Pats, not a big dif. Brady wasn't the QB he is today. And since you like facts, you got 'em. From '01 to '04 Brady's passer rating went from 86.5 to 92.6. And Brady's total yardage was about 1000 yds less in '01 than it was in '04.

Therefore, the Pats weren't the same team they are today back then. How could they be when their QB wasn't playing as well back then.

3) Yeah right whatever, our O-:ine will outdo your O-Line, book it.

4) Well, you must have had a prob if you argued it. You never admitted that until just now when I put up the facts.

You shouldn't ask for facts because they are really hurting your argument. Or instead of asking for facts, use them.

 

[zorg222]

Duck?
















please don't ban me mods, I'll be a good boy. Whats that for Winicki? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

no silly, it's f-- never mind

 

[Tio]

no silly, it's f-- never mind

YOu are not the sharpest pencil in the box are you?

 

[zorg222]

YOu are not the sharpest pencil in the box are you?

:bastid: *hits Tio over the head with a shoe*

 

[silverbear]

I've already went to the nfc west boards.

You probably should have waited for your anus to scab over before coming in here for another reaming...

BTW, I congratulate you on your use of the English language... I don't often read "I've already went", but it's always good for a laugh...

The smack got dull and repetitive. I decided to change things up.

Yeah, I'd imagine that anything you got involved in would come up rather dull... your obviously limited IQ would ensure that...

Last time I check, this was a SMACK FORUM.

That it is... problem is, your "smack" is just WEAK... I mean, junior high school stuff... we actually enjoy smack warriors who have some game, but to this point, you don't qualify...

Means ANYBODY can come here and talk smack.

Yup, they sure can... and if they do, they're just liable to get smacked back...

Particularly if their smack lacks style, wit or substance-- like yours...

Any minute now, I anticipate a post from you that reads "Rams Rule, Cowboys Drool"...

I dont need some smack-killer telling me what to do.

Where did you get the notion that you get to make the rules in here, troll??

The truth is, *I* make the rules in here ("in here" being the Smack board)... that's because I'm the Zen Master of Smack...

You may now kiss my ring... I'm holding it right here beside my ample backside...

 

[silverbear]

The rams will not lose more than one div. game. However, being in the Nfc West, they could lose all the games you mentionned and STILL take the paper crown.

To return to the subject matter, the rams have a better qb, receiving core

Yeah, they do... and yet, they were only a .500 team last year, despite playing in an awfully weak division...

In addition, I have to note that our game against your Rams is on January 1st, the end of the season, and Bulger has yet to play an entire season without getting hurt... so there is no reason for you to be certain that he'll even be playing at that point, and plenty of reason for you to wonder if he will...

Oh, and while we're at it, the phrase is receiving CORPS... as in Marine Corps...

LT

Pace is good, but so is Flozell Adams... good enough to play in the last 2 Pro Bowls, anyway...

And our course, an offensive line is made up of FIVE players, and the Cowboys enjoy a clear superiority at the other 4 positions... even at RT; how many of those 50 sacks that the Rams gave up last year was Williams personally responsible for??

We have 3 guys who have each played in the last 2 Pro Bowls, the Rams have one... we gave up 36 sacks last year, the Rams gave up 50... the Cowboys also had the better running game...

Clearly, the Cowboys have the superior offensive line...

DE

Uhhh, Mr. Manslaughter had 7 sacks last season, while Greg Ellis had 9... and Ellis was MUCH better against the run in the process... your entire returning DL had just 22 sacks on the season, while the Cowboys' returning DL had 25.5... the Cowboys were also tougher against the run, significantly tougher (26 fewer yards per game allowed)...

Just going with the incumbents, the Cowboys clearly have the better defensive line...

And that's without taking into account the THREE first round caliber pass rushers the Cowboys acquired in the draft-- Marcus Spears, DeMarcus Ware and Chris Canty... they also added Jay Ratliff, but I kinda expect him to wind up on the practice squad this season...

My point is you don't have the first clue how those players will impact the pass rush, which means your arguments about whose DL is better is stoopid...

CBs than Dallas.

ROTFLMAO... you keep on running off at the mouth without having the FIRST clue *** you're talking about... here's a comparison of the top 5 CBs on the Rams' depth chart (Jerametrius Butler, Travis Fisher, DeJuan Groce, Kevin Garrett and Dwight Anderson) versus the top 5 Cowboys CBs (Anthony Henry, Terrence Newman, Aaron Glenn, Pete Hunter and Lance Frazier):

Rams CBs-- 158 games played, 17 interceptions, 2 TDs... 49 passes defensed... an average of .11 interceptions per game played, .31 passes defensed per game played... .01 TDs per game played...

Cowboys CBs-- 299 games played, 65 interceptions, 6 TDs... 182 passes defensed... that's .33 interceptions per game played... .61 passes defensed per game played... .02 TDs per game played...

In every pass defense stat, it's the Cowboys' CBs who come off superior... significantly superior, in fact... and of course, that doesn't factor in the best DB the Cowboys have, perennial Pro Bowl safety Roy Williams... you guys don't have ANYBODY approaching his ability in your defensive backfield...

You take Butler, Fisher and Groce, I'll take Henry, Newman and Glenn... so would just about anybody else who knows jack about football... all that said, I'd take Butler in a heartbeat, if y'all want to get rid of him... I think he's gonna have a bright future in the game...

This will be enough to beat the cowboys along with other teams.

You guys will be lucky to finish .500 again... I figure by that last game of the season, the Rams will be out of the playoff hunt and in full meltdown mode...

I gotta say, though, I got a real kick out of your claim that Tony Hargrove would get 3 sacks against our RT... this amused me on 2 levels-- first, Hargrove has all of ONE sack in his NFL career, and is in fact currently listed as a BACKUP DE (to Jay Williams) on the Rams' depth chart over on NFL.com...

But what's funnier still is you apparently haven't heard that there's a very real possibility that Larry Allen (who is fully healthy for the first time in a couple-three years, back to bench pressing in excess of 600 pounds) will move to RT, if none of the other contenders impresses in training camp... this is possible because Stephen Peterman has looked really, really good in workouts so far this offseason, good enough that coaches think he might be ready to start in place of Allen at LG...

Jevon Freakin' Kearse wouldn't be able to get 3 sacks against Larry Allen, LOL...

Don't be upset at how I'm making you look foolish, troll, just consider this part of your smack education...

Here endeth the lesson... LOL...

 

[silverbear]

1)You could say that about all the teams (such as the cowboys) that finished below them. The main issues for us has been
o-line

Which risks getting Bulger KILLED before the Cowboys play them at the end of the season...

putrid run-defense

Which the Cowboys are ideally suited to exploit, what with their excellent offensive line and THREE different talented running backs...

Those problems have been addressed this off-season; although nobody has any idea how the acquisitions will turn out.

Well, as a Cowboys fan, I can tell you that if you're counting on Dexter Coakley to shore up your run defense, you're in DEEP doo-doo...

 

[silverbear]

1)We went 8-8 without one last year. This year we got better lbs such as your own Coakley.

Dex is a liability against the run, he's just too small... he's pretty good against the pass, though... one of the best cover linebackers in the game...

2)IF all your rookies pan out. Your defense regressed last season.

If half of our rookies pan out, we'll be much better... we didn't just add rookies to the defense, you know... Jason Ferguson, Anthony Henry and Aaron Glenn are ALL instant upgrades...

3)His 5 yds per carry says otherwise. He also has better hands than JJ.

How very strange, it seems he caught 19 passes in 14 games (1.4 per game), while Julius caught 17 in 8 games (2.1 per game)...

5)Your WR stink; your qb is a pick waiting to happen and butler is an above-average corner.

The more you talk, the stupider you make yourself look... our WRs stink, do they?? Well, let's just see about that... our top 3 WRs last year were Terry Glenn, Keyshawn Johnson and Quincy Morgan...

Glenn only played 6 games, then missed the rest of the season... in those 6 games, he caught 24 passes, for 400 yards (16.7 average, higher than any Rams receiver) and 2 TDs... extrapolate that over a 16 game season, and you have 64 catches, for over 1000 yards... 18 of Terry's 24 catches went for either a first down or a TD (75%)... doesn't sound like he "stinks" to me...

Keyshawn Johnson played in all 16 games, and he put up 70 catches, for 981 yards (14.0 average, from a supposed "possession" receiver), and 6 TDs... 59 of his 70 catches went for either a first down or a TD (84%, a VERY high percentage)... doesn't sound like he "stinks", either...

Quincy Morgan, despite battling a bad hamstring all year long, and despite having to learn a whole new system in midseason after coming over from the Browns, had 31 catches in 15 games, for 404 yards (13.0 average, the lowest of his career) and 3 TDs... he'll be the Boys' third receiver, barring injury... lhis best season was 2002, when he caught 56 passes, for 964 yards, so that's the baseline for his maximum potential... 22 of his 31 catches went for either a first down or a TD (71%)... again, that's a LONG ways from "stinking"...

So, you have 3 receivers who last year combined to play 37 games, and they caught 125 passes for 1785 yards and 11 TDs... nearly 80 per cent of their receptions went for either first downs or TDs (99 of 125 catches)... let's project that they enjoy a little better health this year, good enough to combine to play in 45 of the 48 games (3 receivers x 16 game season = 48 possible games played)... that would project to over 160 catches combined, for 2300 yards, and 15 TDs... maybe 125 catches for either first downs or TDs...

6)Please, these guys are not stout.

Larry Allen isnt' "stout"??

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... yeah, he's only perhaps the greatest offensive lineman to ever play the game...

7)Or else, what? You will ban me?

Naw, we'll just use and abuse you until you've satisfied that masochistic streak in you that makes you troll... I don't figure you'll last too long before you go slinking out of here with your little troll tail tucked between your little troll legs...

So long as you don't cuss, or make racist remarks, it's really pretty tough to get banned, especially in the Smack Zone...

Sorry if you can't take smacktalking.

Hey, I'm just sorry you don't have any BETTER smack... this crap defines "lame"... that's largely because much of your "smack" is factually inaccurate, as I've been demonstrating in my responses to you this evening...

Smack that's all attitude with no facts behind it just isn't all that impressive troll... the moral to this story is if you wanna talk smack in here, you'd best make sure that the facts back up your flames, or we'll have great fun holding you up to ridicule...

I suggest you go back to cowboyszone; its easier for the weak-minded.

Well, I guess if you'd know any topic, it's what the weak-minded might do, so I'll have to defer to your obviously superior expertise in this area...

 

[silverbear]

7)Please, if any of us is trolling here, its YOU. You just came in with no substance to back up your claims. I brought up real issues about both teams.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... you came in here with bovine fecal matter, and the smell is now permeating the whole board... those "real issues" you have brought up have been quite thoroughly shredded by now...

 

[silverbear]

There are so many things homerphobic about this post that I can't even begin... but I will focus on one thing...

Ban you? I wouldn't waste the effort... if you want to come talk some smack... fine... we are more than up to the challenge...

BUT... we RARELY ban fans of other teams as long as they don't break the rules (rules our own membership must abide by as well)... unlike other boards...

If you want to run back to the NFC West boards wearing a "ban" as a badge of honor... you can do that easily by throwing out a diatribe of profanity... otherwise we are here, as always, and up for the challenge...

If this is what you are looking for (a ban) PM me and I will do that to accomodate you as we always try to accomodate our members...

Otherwise... don't come here and use the "ban" as a crutch... no one will back down from you here, nor will we ban you for things you say that we don't like... we love good-spirited football talk...

We have MANY fans of other teams that are more than welcome here as we are good-natured and we love the game... many of them have 1000+ posts and are always respected and debated here in good will... that's why they hang around...

The fact of the matter is that the NFC West is NOT our rivals... as brainpaint said earlier, come see us a week before the game...

In the mean time, you are MORE than welcome to be a valued member of our board... regardless of team affiliation... we are happy to have you aboard...

Yeah, PLEASE don't ban this jagoff... I much prefer insulting a troll to insulting some of the Cowboys I've been snarling at in recent weeks in here... just leave this one alone, and I'll amuse myself by punking him until he screams "no mas"!!

 

[silverbear]

1)Facts please

You mean facts like "your WRs stink"??

If you're gonna demand factual accuracy in responses to your braindead diatribes, it's incumbent on you to provide some your own self, troll...

 

[silverbear]

Good, you brought up facts, now we can talk.

Given your performance to date, that remains to be seen... somehow, I rather doubt that you'll do well when facts are required...

2) The belief is that the formely terrible lb corps will now be solid thx to Coakley, Claiborne (was a solid MLB in Detroit, stunk as OLB in Minny) and Tinoisamoa. This will help in the run-defense.

For openers, on the depth chart on NFL.com (which is supposedly given them by the Rams), Claiborne is listed as an OLB, and Robert Thomas is still listed as the starting MLB...

Next, Claiborne wasn't all that good a MLB against the run when he was with the Lions... he was big, that was about it... he only averaged about 6 tackles a game at MLB... OTOH, he WAS fairly effective against the pass, racking up 10.5 sacks, 6 interceptions and 13 passes defensed...

It looks like you don't even know the personnel on your favorite team, LOL... but it gets worse...

As noted earlier, Coakley is very fast, but not particularly strong at the point of attack... teams will run at him, you can count on it...

Finally, according that depth chart over on NFL.com, Tinoisamoa isn't even projected to start for the Rams this season... even though he was the starter the last 2 seasons... I don't know how you can argue that the linebacking will be better because of Tinoisamoa (in part), when he's gone from being a starter to being a backup...

3)Bledsoe could repeat his numbers from Buffalo. They are not high to begin with. I dont have a postive view of the cowboys WR. Witten is a superstar in the making, though.

Witten's presence, and having a far superior offensive line in front of him, will pretty much ensure that Bledsoe will put up better numbers than he did with the Boys...

12.3+ rating over a year is pretty darn good. If the offensive line holds its own (NOT allowing the awful 50 sacks),

And exactly what makes you think they'll do better in this area?? It looks to me like you're going with the exact same line, with the addition of Alex Barron and Richie Incognito... if Barron beats out Grant Williams for the starting RT job, that MIGHT help some... but of course, Barron is a rookie, and a natural LEFT tackle, so it's difficult to project him winning the RT job right out of the box...

So again, all flames aside, what makes you think the Rams' miserable offensive line will be improved??

Bulger will surpass 4000 yrds with a 90+ rating.

He might, he's gotten close to that before... your problem is not with the passing game, it's with your defense...

 

[zorg222]

Silver Bear, in my book, is now the king of the smack zone.

Yay Silver Bear!

Even though this guy wimpered off back to his Rams boards weeks ago...

 

[silverbear]

Silver Bear, in my book, is now the king of the smack zone.

Yay Silver Bear!

Even though this guy wimpered off back to his Rams boards weeks ago...

Yeah, I thought about not posting to this thread, that it might be dated... then I figured the troll might still be monitoring our board, and I had some hopes I might be able to bait him into "playing"...

 

[zorg222]

Yeah, I thought about not posting to this thread, that it might be dated... then I figured the troll might still be monitoring our board, and I had some hopes I might be able to bait him into "playing"...

I like your thought pattern

He knows not to mess with you though

 

[silverbear]

I like your thought pattern

He knows not to mess with you though

That's too bad, 'cause that series of responses late last night helped a REALLY dead shift pass more quickly...

This has always been the worst time of the offseason for me... it's just DEAD...

As a result, this is my favorite time for gettin' into stupid flame wars with mindless trolls... simple pleasures for simple minds... LOL...