Ramsey to Dallas?

[Hostile]

What people see in Ramsy confuses me. I never saw much more than a gritty, tough kid with a decent, not great arm.

Why some people love him so much reveals how shallow the talent pool is for good QBing in the NFL.

I think the toughness is one reason.

Another reason might be that he admitted openly that he grew up a Cowboys fan.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I'd welcome Ramsey with open arms for the right price. He'd be an upgrade over Romo Henson for the backup position.

I think Ramsey played pretty well at times... but I have to ask?

How do we know that he would be an upgrade over Romo or Henson? because he actually has some playing time?

 

[playit12]

The Commanders are letting Sexton be involved with a Ramsey trade because no team will assume his bloated 2006 contract without negotiating extra years to even things out. The Skins are high expecting a second rounder, but they'll get something for him. I've always liked Ramsey's game and wouldn't mind having him but I don't see the Commanders trading with us.

He's only under contract for one more year (2006) and it's for 1.68 million. Not exactly what I would call bloated. Don't forget that the team trading a player assumes all of their remaining prorated bonus. All the new team assumes is current base salary and future roster bonuses. (According to CPND he is not due any more bonuses) Plus you would expect him to want to extend his contract with whatever team signs him. Right now he doesn't have much of a market value, so I'd expect an encentive ladden contract with friendly cap charges. He'd probably take some of his current base salary in a prorated bonus, which would mean a new contract would likely lower his cap charge of 1.68 million.

Having said all of that... I watched him play in practice and I watched him play in person... being stuck up here in Skin's Country. He's got an excellent arm and is not affraid to take a hit. He's no more immobile than Bledsoe, and given time he can make all of the passes. Plus he really wants to win. I mean REALLY wants to win. The kid has a passion for the game when he's on the field. I'd certainly take him as an upgrade to either of our current backups. If we had to stick in someone next year between Henson, Romo, or Ramsey... I'd choose door #3.

 

[playit12]

By the way.... every team knows that the Skins have to cut or trade Ramsey to get under the cap. His trade value is very low accordingly. I think they could have gotten a low second or high third for him otherwise. Now I think the going rate would be more like a Conditional 4th or Straight up 5th.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I doubt it seriously.....Mr. Jones already said he has our backup on the team already.

 

[Rack]

I think I speak for Cowboy nation when I say... No.

Ramsey sucks. If he's not good enough to play for the Deadskins (considering their situation at QB) then he's certainly not good enough to be the QB in Dallas.

 

[playit12]

Ramsey sucks. If he's not good enough to play for the Deadskins (considering their situation at QB) then he's certainly not good enough to be the QB in Dallas.

I think it was clear when Gibbs took over that he just didn't either like Ramsey or didn't think he was a good match for the offense. I'm not sure another coach or system would feel the same way. And Gibbs does not run the same offense as Parcells.

 

[Vertigo_17]

I think Ramsey played pretty well at times... but I have to ask?

How do we know that he would be an upgrade over Romo or Henson? because he actually has some playing time?

Yeah, the fact that he's actually played means something to me.

 

[cowheel]

I'd welcome Ramsey with open arms for the right price. He'd be an upgrade over Romo Henson for the backup position.

How do you know that?

The guy has looked truly horrible the last few times he's gotten to play.

HORRIBLE.

 

[Vertigo_17]

How do you know that?

The guy has looked truly horrible the last few times he's gotten to play.

HORRIBLE.

I don't know it - it's my opinion. I just think he's been in the wrong system with 2 coaches that didn't think he fit their offense. Under different circumstances he could be a good QB.

 

[kartr]

You know, I hate every Commander that has ever played the game.

There are some that border on respect, like Darrell Green or Riggins, but I still can't stand them.

I hated Patrick Ramsey when he was drafted. Made fun of all the weaknesses that the scouts had pointed out and clowned on the selection.

But I can remember about two, maybe three years ago a game they played against us in Texas Stadium where the kid really showed me something.

I remember we were up by at least two scores, their running game was going nowhere and Zim was opening up the blitz.

Ramsey was getting hit on nearly every passing play, and had to have been sacked five times in the game. I remember incrediously watching as his own OL weren't even helping him up, but he pulled himself off the turf and went back at it.

We won.

But I remember watching that performance and realizing that the Skins actually had a QB with a little moxie and ability.

I respected him as a QB then, and I respect him now.

That doesn't mean he's ever a starter in the league again, but you have to consider the good seasons he did have on a TERRIBLE Washington team, his pedigree and his age.

If he'd come here to back up Drew and give us an insurance policy against Romo/Henson busting, I'd be all for it. You know he's got something to prove and it would be great in terms of dissecting the Washington Offense/Defense.

For a low contract with escalators for playing time and performance incentives, I would really have no problem with bringing him in for a look-see.

Am I alone on this?

I distinctly remember our own Cowboy qb outplaying him, completing td passes and first down passes on third and long while wearing Commander defenders. I don't ever remember Ramsey doing anything like that.

 

[dbair1967]

Yeah, the fact that he's actually played means something to me.

so playing poorly is ok as long as you've played?

sorry, he has shown nothing so far either except a propensity for turning the ball over, throwing w/o accuracy and being sacked alot...its why Gibbs doesnt want him

David

 

[playit12]

How do you know that?

The guy has looked truly horrible the last few times he's gotten to play.

HORRIBLE.

Why do you say that? This year he didn't play for mroe than 11 (a game) pass atempts so it's hard to count the year... but if you did he had an average QB raiting of 95.3 this year....

As for his last couple of games in 04 he had QB raitings of 100.8 (2tds 1int) against Minn and 62.1 (1td 2ints) against Dallas. I wouldn't really say he stunk it up. But whatever....

 

[kartr]

I think the toughness is one reason.

Another reason might be that he admitted openly that he grew up a Cowboys fan.

Yet you never liked another qb who played for Dallas and won games and showed toughness and grew up a Cowboys fan and is the only qb to help us get to the playoffs since Aikman. He took beatings from the Panthers and won twice against them, he beat the Eagles when they were still good and he outplayed pro bowl qb Jeff Garcia as a rookie and outplayed him while with the Jets, beating Garcia on the road and has a 2-1 winning record over former first round qb Kerry Collins. Which of these facts did I make up?

 

[kartr]

so playing poorly is ok as long as you've played?

sorry, he has shown nothing so far either except a propensity for turning the ball over, throwing w/o accuracy and being sacked alot...its why Gibbs doesnt want him

David

Finally, we agree on something. The guy is a very average backup.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yet you never liked another qb who played for Dallas and won games and showed toughness and grew up a Cowboys fan and is the only qb to help us get to the playoffs since Aikman. He took beatings from the Panthers and won twice against them, he beat the Eagles when they were still good and he outplayed pro bowl qb Jeff Garcia as a rookie and outplayed him while with the Jets, beating Garcia on the road and has a 2-1 winning record over former first round qb Kerry Collins. Which of these facts did I make up?

You talk about Carter beating team how did he do that when his numbers stunk, he turned the ball over a lot more than he was putting it in the endzone and our scoring average was near the bottom of the league yet you claim he won games BS he was on a team that won 10 games but his number sucked big time and his play sucked as well. Thank god we are not clinging to this moron as you continue to do.

 

[kartr]

Why do you say that? This year he didn't play for mroe than 11 (a game) pass atempts so it's hard to count the year... but if you did he had an average QB raiting of 95.3 this year....

As for his last couple of games in 04 he had QB raitings of 100.8 (2tds 1int) against Minn and 62.1 (1td 2ints) against Dallas. I wouldn't really say he stunk it up. But whatever....

Qb ratings mean little without the win. Look how many qb's had good ratings,yet didn't get their teams into the playoffs, Trent Green,Drew Bledsoe,Drew Bledsoe,Steve McNair, while the two qb's in the superbowl didn't play well at all.

 

[cowheel]

Why do you say that? This year he didn't play for mroe than 11 (a game) pass atempts so it's hard to count the year... but if you did he had an average QB raiting of 95.3 this year....

As for his last couple of games in 04 he had QB raitings of 100.8 (2tds 1int) against Minn and 62.1 (1td 2ints) against Dallas. I wouldn't really say he stunk it up. But whatever....

Man, this is ridiculous. Patrick Ramsey is horrible.

The last few times he's played he's been horrible.

The last few times he's played against US, he's been horrible.

What in the world are you guys watching?
I'd definietly stick with what we've got over a guy like that.

 

[cowheel]

his numbers stunk, he turned the ball over a lot more than he was putting it in the endzone and scoring average was near the bottom of the league yet you claim he won games BS he was on a team that won 10 games but his number sucked big time and his play sucked as well.

You just described Patrick Ramsey...
Well... except for the 10 win part.

 

[ravidubey]

______ No!!!