Random observations. Panthers game

[fivetwos]

-Dont want to harp too much about the coaching. Itll take up too much space. It's our biggest problem IMO, and there's a fine line between being aggressive and flat out stupid. Its almost as if someone has something to prove beyond winning games. They need to figure that all out.

-Early on, the game unfolded exactly how I hoped it wouldn't. Carolina was able to run with great authority which made things easier for Darnold. That got away from them when we opened up the score a bit. It made me think of the big favor the Philly coaches did for us by having no clue. That doesn't upset me lol.

-Our OL is playing damn close to an elite level in the run game. Pass protect was a bit iffy but Carolina has some high talent guys complete with dawg in them, and they wanted it yesterday and came to play. Overall the OL has to get a B+ to A- type grade.

-With Gallup out, and Cooper hobbled, do we REALLY need to risk Lamb on punt returns?? Back to the fine line between aggressiveness and stupidity.

-Looks like my pal Elliott has brought back the feed me crap. Just what we need.

-Urban is virtually not existent. I realize he is a dirty work guy, and I had suspected that a decent portion of OOs success may be due to Urbans play. Not yesterday. Urban was routinely beat, one on one, in both the run and pass game. Disappointing, but tough to complain about the FA class on the whole.

-Sure he dropped an easy INT to seal the game, but ABrown had the best game of his career. Has he finally figured things out, or is it a good scheme fit, maybe a little of both? Either way, I'll pass on Gilmore and the cost for now.

-Mid way through the 4th quarter, we are nursing a lead, and running the ball. Why leave 10+ seconds on the play clock several times? Is that a Dak thing or a coaching thing? Makes no sense to snap the ball early in that case and it's another thing that needs to be cleaned up. Wins seem to cover up things that will inevitably bite us.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I honestly haven’t focused on Urban too much to notice. That said, we need him if for no other reason than depth. We simply don’t have a lot of depth at DT in terms of size right now.

 

[Jarntt]

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-Sure he dropped an easy INT to seal the game, but ABrown had the best game of his career. Has he finally figured things out, or is it a good scheme fit, maybe a little of both? Either way, I'll pass on Gilmore and the cost for now.
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Dude was horrible at the end of the game. He at least has been making some nice plays to offset the bad ones so I'll give him that, but he got beat like a drum a few times

And when you talk about coaching are you including Moore and Quinn who have been 2 of our greatest strengths this year?

 

[fivetwos]

Dude was horrible at the end of the game. He at least has been making some nice plays to offset the bad ones so I'll give him that, but he got beat like a drum a few times

And when you talk about coaching are you including Moore and Quinn who have been 2 of our greatest strengths this year?

Yup, which adds up to the best game of his career.

No problem with Moore and Quinn, I just didn't specifically mention the obvious two who have made some extremely curious decisions since they have been here.

 

[jazzcat22]

I seen Urban making a few plays, getting into the backfield. He helped others to get pressure and sacks. I though he played decent.
Bashem stepped up as well.

Brown is better than most give him credit, but they need players to whine about I guess. Lewis played decent as well. Kearse, playing great and Kazee got railroaded on that penalty.

Jaylon even made some plays and a key stop. All I seen was a few bash him during the game thread as usual. Jaylon made a tackle, and someone posted he got trucked. Tells me they don't watch, they just post their canned usual stuff. Maybe he did on another play, but not on that one.

Everyone whining Brown dropped the INT, however, that is why many are CB's, they do not have the consistent hands to always catch the ball. Just be glad it was incomplete at that point. And it is much harder to get those than it looks on TV from one's couch.

I harked on MM and his coaching, well, some of it during the game. And still question a few things, but not as much now, as I did yesterday. There will always be something we fans will question about anything and everything.
I am sure many thought...Moore what the hell you doing we need a 1st down to run out the clock...when they seen that little flip from Zeke to Tony. But it worked and all was good. If not, then what would we be saying. So the same should apply to MM and move on to the NYG.

 

[JD_KaPow]

-Dont want to harp too much about the coaching. Itll take up too much space. It's our biggest problem IMO, and there's a fine line between being aggressive and flat out stupid. Its almost as if someone has something to prove beyond winning games. They need to figure that all out.

What are you referring to? I really don't know. Aggressive calls from the game:

Going for it on 4th-and-1 near midfield on the second TD drive. Good decision. Worked. Led to a TD.
Going for 2 after the Panthers gifted them the ball at the one-yard-line. Good decision. Didn't work. (Questionable play call?)
Going for 2 late in the 3rd, up 12. Obvious decision. Didn't make it.
They did go for a punt block at one point. They didn't get the block and they didn't screw it up this time.
Different kind of decision: pulling Diggs (and Gregory). I have to believe they were hurting enough that they really didn't want to put them back in unless they had to.

Were there others?

 

[Rockport]

What are you referring to? I really don't know. Aggressive calls from the game:

Going for it on 4th-and-1 near midfield on the second TD drive. Good decision. Worked. Led to a TD.
Going for 2 after the Panthers gifted them the ball at the one-yard-line. Good decision. Didn't work. (Questionable play call?)
Going for 2 late in the 3rd, up 12. Obvious decision. Didn't make it.
They did go for a punt block at one point. They didn't get the block and they didn't screw it up this time.
Different kind of decision: pulling Diggs (and Gregory). I have to believe they were hurting enough that they really didn't want to put them back in unless they had to.

Were there others?

Yeah I don't get all the MM hate. Easy to 2nd guess after the fact.

 

[75boyz]

The offensive line in its present state of health and performance level will win a lot of games.

Period.

I assume LC gets his RT job back. That leaves Steele(boy am I a crow eater on him), McGovern and Farniok who have all shown at least some decent potential from preseason or previous regular season performance.
Yet to see Ball.

O line depth is real.

Games are won in the trenches.
IF the O line keeps progressing as it is and remains healthy, this team will win a lot of games. Regardless of defense or coaching. Well, Mac or the dee might end up costing a playoff game but that's another discussion. For the regular season,
this unit is currently performing at a dominant level.

Love the job Philbin and Moore are doing with the run game.

My kinda ball.

Keep up the good work.

jmo

 

[Rockport]

-Dont want to harp too much about the coaching. Itll take up too much space. It's our biggest problem IMO, and there's a fine line between being aggressive and flat out stupid. Its almost as if someone has something to prove beyond winning games. They need to figure that all out.

-Early on, the game unfolded exactly how I hoped it wouldn't. Carolina was able to run with great authority which made things easier for Darnold. That got away from them when we opened up the score a bit. It made me think of the big favor the Philly coaches did for us by having no clue. That doesn't upset me lol.

-Our OL is playing damn close to an elite level in the run game. Pass protect was a bit iffy but Carolina has some high talent guys complete with dawg in them, and they wanted it yesterday and came to play. Overall the OL has to get a B+ to A- type grade.

-With Gallup out, and Cooper hobbled, do we REALLY need to risk Lamb on punt returns?? Back to the fine line between aggressiveness and stupidity.

-Looks like my pal Elliott has brought back the feed me crap. Just what we need.

-Urban is virtually not existent. I realize he is a dirty work guy, and I had suspected that a decent portion of OOs success may be due to Urbans play. Not yesterday. Urban was routinely beat, one on one, in both the run and pass game. Disappointing, but tough to complain about the FA class on the whole.

-Sure he dropped an easy INT to seal the game, but ABrown had the best game of his career. Has he finally figured things out, or is it a good scheme fit, maybe a little of both? Either way, I'll pass on Gilmore and the cost for now.

-Mid way through the 4th quarter, we are nursing a lead, and running the ball. Why leave 10+ seconds on the play clock several times? Is that a Dak thing or a coaching thing? Makes no sense to snap the ball early in that case and it's another thing that needs to be cleaned up. Wins seem to cover up things that will inevitably bite us.

Brown is playing better but he is still regularly getting beat.
Urban had some good plays.
Carolina was able to get pressure because they were blitzing all the time and Dak made em pay.

 

[jsb357]

-With Gallup out, and Cooper hobbled, do we REALLY need to risk Lamb on punt returns?? Back to the fine line between aggressiveness and stupidity.



-Mid way through the 4th quarter, we are nursing a lead, and running the ball. Why leave 10+ seconds on the play clock several times? Is that a Dak thing or a coaching thing? Makes no sense to snap the ball early in that case and it's another thing that needs to be cleaned up. Wins seem to cover up things that will inevitably bite us.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

What are you referring to? I really don't know. Aggressive calls from the game:

Going for it on 4th-and-1 near midfield on the second TD drive. Good decision. Worked. Led to a TD.
Going for 2 after the Panthers gifted them the ball at the one-yard-line. Good decision. Didn't work. (Questionable play call?)
Going for 2 late in the 3rd, up 12. Obvious decision. Didn't make it.
They did go for a punt block at one point. They didn't get the block and they didn't screw it up this time.
Different kind of decision: pulling Diggs (and Gregory). I have to believe they were hurting enough that they really didn't want to put them back in unless they had to.

Were there others?

Not having the situational awareness to tell Dak to run the play clock down to 1-2 seconds before snapping. The announcers mentioned they could have drained at least another 1:30 by doing so.

 

[jazzcat22]

What are you referring to? I really don't know. Aggressive calls from the game:

Going for it on 4th-and-1 near midfield on the second TD drive. Good decision. Worked. Led to a TD.
Going for 2 after the Panthers gifted them the ball at the one-yard-line. Good decision. Didn't work. (Questionable play call?)
Going for 2 late in the 3rd, up 12. Obvious decision. Didn't make it.
They did go for a punt block at one point. They didn't get the block and they didn't screw it up this time.
Different kind of decision: pulling Diggs (and Gregory). I have to believe they were hurting enough that they really didn't want to put them back in unless they had to.

Were there others?

Agree, all reasonable calls at the time. Fans are...GREAT....if they work...and are ...YOU SUCK...if they don't on many of those type of calls.

Thy other one which I still question, but need some more info, as I heard 2 different things last night on post game shows. Also MM addresses it in his PC.
Was the decision to decline the penalty making it 3rd and 12. Which ended up an easy conversion. So why not male it 2nd and 23, but one guy said it would have been 2nd and 17. Not sure, but I thought you back them up to the 12 yard line. And what if a strip sack fumble happens. Most post game analysts on the local sports here thought it was the wrong decision and I do too.

MM said he thought with the way the defense was playing, make it 3rd and 12, and you have a chance for a 3 and out. Make them punt. Which also makes sense.

Anyway we won, great, time to focus on the NYG.

 

[fivetwos]

What are you referring to? I really don't know. Aggressive calls from the game:

Going for it on 4th-and-1 near midfield on the second TD drive. Good decision. Worked. Led to a TD.
Going for 2 after the Panthers gifted them the ball at the one-yard-line. Good decision. Didn't work. (Questionable play call?)
Going for 2 late in the 3rd, up 12. Obvious decision. Didn't make it.
They did go for a punt block at one point. They didn't get the block and they didn't screw it up this time.
Different kind of decision: pulling Diggs (and Gregory). I have to believe they were hurting enough that they really didn't want to put them back in unless they had to.

Were there others?

Disagree on the first two.

He went for it on 4th in our own end early in the LA game also. Risk/reward at that point in the game doesn't add up for me. On the other side of the 50? Then maybe. Not in your own end so early in the game.

Why go for two on the 2nd drive? Because of a penalty that got us to the one instead of the two, yes? Then follow that up with a pass play...and one that was complete but still short? The combo was rough and they spent the day chasing that point.

We seem to take a shot at a punt block at some curious times. What for? Playing an inferior team at home....don't beat yourself.

There's aggressive and there's taking a true look at risk vs reward.

No sense in rehashing some of the ST stuff from last season.

 

[fivetwos]

Brown is playing better but he is still regularly getting beat.
Urban had some good plays.
Carolina was able to get pressure because they were blitzing all the time and Dak made em pay.

Yeah I like their scheme. Building a nice defense over there.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Disagree on the first two.

He went for it on 4th in our own end early in the LA game also. Risk/reward at that point in the game doesn't add up for me. On the other side of the 50? Then maybe. Not in your own end so early in the game.

Just because it doesn't add up "for you" doesn't make it wrong. It's the right call.

Why go for two on the 2nd drive? Because of a penalty that got us to the one instead of the two, yes? Then follow that up with a pass play...and one that was complete but still short? The combo was rough and they spent the day chasing that point.

I don't love the playcall, but the decision to go for it was obviously correct. They didn't "chase points" later. They went for two when it made sense and kicked XPs when it made sense.

I'll remind you that Zuerlein has missed two XPs already this season.

 

[fivetwos]

Just because it doesn't add up "for you" doesn't make it wrong. It's the right call.

I don't love the playcall, but the decision to go for it was obviously correct. They didn't "chase points" later. They went for two when it made sense and kicked XPs when it made sense.

I'll remind you that Zuerlein has missed two XPs already this season.

Who was it that said that MY opinion doesn't matter yet YOURS does?

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I like the coordinators a lot.

I believe Quinn and Moore are difference makers. McCarthy is just keeping the seat warm at this point, because he is BY FAR the weakest link in a great chain.

I saw a tweet that said it best. It said The Cowboys are a Super Bowl caliber roster, but with a Wild Card caliber head coach.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Who was it that said that MY opinion doesn't matter yet YOURS does?

If you want to say it doesn't add up, show your work or you'll get the response you get. All the numbers/"analytics" say that the calls were correct; I can show that work, but it's easy to find out there. It's not just one man's opinion.

 

[Verdict]

Disagree on the first two.

He went for it on 4th in our own end early in the LA game also. Risk/reward at that point in the game doesn't add up for me. On the other side of the 50? Then maybe. Not in your own end so early in the game.

Why go for two on the 2nd drive? Because of a penalty that got us to the one instead of the two, yes? Then follow that up with a pass play...and one that was complete but still short? The combo was rough and they spent the day chasing that point.

We seem to take a shot at a punt block at some curious times. What for? Playing an inferior team at home....don't beat yourself.

There's aggressive and there's taking a true look at risk vs reward.

No sense in rehashing some of the ST stuff from last season.

Yeah I said that in another thread. I’m all for aggressive, but at times they call things the risk vs reward just doesn’t seem like it makes sense.

I get that it is more likely to work when they are not expecting it, and there is an element of getting things on tape for teams to see, and have to worry about, and there is a demoralizing element to a successful play like that, but when you don’t get it, well, you can dig yourself in a hole you can’t get out of.

 

[fivetwos]

If you want to say it doesn't add up, show your work or you'll get the response you get. All the numbers/"analytics" say that the calls were correct; I can show that work, but it's easy to find out there. It's not just one man's opinion.

Sorry that I didn't phrase it to your liking.

You tell me that going for it a 4th down in your own end on the first drive of a game two weeks ago and on the second drive yesterday are no brainers to the point of you being able to say "it's the right call?"

How long you been watching this game? It's pretty far from a no brainer.

Since your misinterpretation of my words led you to believe I was talking about stats/analytics....and you also can speak in absolutes about it.....you must already have all those figure that show its the "right call" to do that repeatedly. Why ask me to find them, why not just share them?