News: Randy Gregory: Cowboys Need To Protect Their Investment

[DandyDon52]

Jesse Holley is on the Radio saying that NFL players take 2 tests at the beginning of the year.

1. For Substance and the other for performance enhancing.


Then there is no tests until the season ends.

Once the season ends they repeat those tests.


You can take steroids or do all kinds of drugs after this and never get caught.


If you ever do get caught then you can get tested any time the NFL pleases.

failing the combine test put him in stage 1, so he was probably tested during the year.
Then he failed one of those, and went into stage 2 so more random tests etc.
I dont think the cowboys will give up on him till he gets a 10 game suspension.

Whatever the cowboys did to help him stay off pot did not work, and they knew it wasnt working?
So they need to up their game if they keep him.

@ CC , it isnt up to the fans, it is up to randy and the cowboys to work it out.
He has to pass the tests now or it is going to be over for him.

By failing more tests, he has just made things worse for himself, had he stayed clean the first year,
he might have been able to smoke a little during the 2nd year, but now he cant.

Since he didnt quit the first year, I doubt he can now quit, but it is possible.

 

[CIWhitefish]

Randy should wish to be a cog in the machine. As it is, he's pulley who's bearings are starting to wear out and if he doesn't pull himself together he's going to be replaced. I don't think you build anything that lasts by passively allowing irresponsible behavior. There's no point in preaching accountability if there is none. I'd say you'd probably be better off not mentioning accountability at all if there is none because it will only serve to highlight that your act is nothing more than smoke and mirrors.

The Randy Gregory's are few and far between. The overwhelming majority of players in the league don't seem to struggle with following rules so there's no need to make special exceptions for those who break the rules.

What if a team treated the hard working guys who put football first like they are their own man, and also decided that it wouldn't tolerate head cases, half-heartedness or stupid decisions that take a guy off the field?

What would we have then? Almost sounds like we'd have a roster of guys who'd all run through fire and yet they wouldn't be at risk for missing a season at any given moment. Kind of a win-win.

Agree. My point was evidently missed or not clear. My thought is that the attitude to just get rid of the guy is the same as protecting your investment. It treats Randy as a commodity and not as a person. Obviously there is a point of no return I just don't think we are there yet.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I understand the reasoning from the OP.

But just because Von Miller turned his life around doesn't mean Gregory will.

I'm not saying cut the kid, or anything like that, but don't be surprised if this is the first of many problems for the guy.

We should all hope the Cowboys get a Von Miller like turn around from the kid but don't hold your breath on it.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Randy Gregory: Cowboys Need To Protect Their Investment

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"Just 24 years old."

"A pass rusher with some good raw ability."

"Stage 3 substance abuse, the next violation gets him a year suspension."

"Selfish player who can't put down the pipe."

The player I just described was Von Miller, two years ago...


Are current Cowboys 'fans' with too little stomach to support their own players?

Well, let's go get Von Miller, then.

Or you house Gregory, hold his hand and walk him through the stages of rehab.

Don't you think the Cowboys have better things to do than baby-sit athletes? Just asking, mate.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

This and get his parents involved as well, Calvin Hill and whom ever can help this young man keep from throwing his life away. Hell tell him to stay clean until he retires then move to Denver and have at it.

Can somebody offer a curriculum vitae on Calvin Hill's background? I tried but could come up with no academic or actual training experience in the area of rehab/counseling/etc.
It seems to me that Mr. Hill has gotten a lot of mileage as a resurrector of players, yet on what clinical or academic credentials does he rely upon, aside from his fatherly presence?

Seems like a good gig to me, no academic background required other than Art Model once hired him to put into place a player development program for the Browns.
That's Art Model, the genius owner. And where was Calvin when Johnny Looseball needed him?

 

[DC Cowboy]

That's the spirit.

lol

 

[DC Cowboy]

Randy Gregory: Cowboys Need To Protect Their Investment

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"Just 24 years old."

"A pass rusher with some good raw ability."

"Stage 3 substance abuse, the next violation gets him a year suspension."

"Selfish player who can't put down the pipe."

The player I just described was Von Miller, two years ago...


Are current Cowboys 'fans' with too little stomach to support their own players?

Can someone point this out to Gregory. I am just being honest when I say I don't know why any player would waste millions of dollars to get high when you can smoke all you want after retiring. I just don't get it. If it was me and I had this opportunity yet wanted to smoke, I would play out my career buy me a nice piece of land in a state where marijuana is legal, surrounded by trees and go out on my porch and smoke all I wanted AFTER I made my money.

 

[Doomsday101]

Can somebody offer a curriculum vitae on Calvin Hill's background? I tried but could come up with no academic or actual training experience in the area of rehab/counseling/etc.
It seems to me that Mr. Hill has gotten a lot of mileage as a resurrector of players, yet on what clinical or academic credentials does he rely upon, aside from his fatherly presence?

Seems like a good gig to me, no academic background required other than Art Model once hired him to put into place a player development program for the Browns.
That's Art Model, the genius owner. And where was Calvin when Johnny Looseball needed him?

The Cowboys were having all kinds of issues," Hill said. "It was pretty much the same kind of situation [as in Cleveland]. I supposed, in some respects, without getting into specifics, Jerry was interested in what could be put together. What could he provide [in terms] of support to deal with the problems he had."
Players appreciate what Hill has to offer.
"He was important," said Charles Haley, a defensive end for the Cowboys in the '90s who talked to Hill about various undisclosed issues. "He can relate to these players and try to motivate them and get them out of the dark ages. Guys are from low economic backgrounds and these guys become men in the NFL and Calvin is there to help them."
Former Cowboys receiver Terrell Owens also talked to Hill about on- and off-the-field issues. After Owens suffered an accidental overdose during the 2006 season, Hill was there for the wide receiver.
"Calvin has always been in my corner," Owens said. "He would come to my locker and speak to me. He's a guy who is easy to talk to and can relate to you in many different ways."
Hill noted that, like Modell, Jones cares about players. He doesn't think of them as pieces of property and develops relationships with them on a regular basis.

The Browns are believed to be the first NFL team to have a player development program. Now every NFL team has one, and the Cowboys' is considered one of the best.
When the team traded up to select Dez Bryant in the 2010 draft, Jones mentioned how the player development program could be beneficial to the talented rookie whose stock had fallen because of character concerns.

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story...-provides-expert-field-support-dallas-cowboys

Hill and others can provide support to a player but like anything the players still has to do his part, Hill is not some witch doctor who is going to cure you from yourself. The player has a responsibility in all of this, the organization is not going to be there 24/7 to hold your hand.
"There are lots of ways in Dallas to have fun and get into trouble," Hill said. "You take a guy, I don't care where they're coming from. 'How do you handle it [fame], responsibility?' That's the challenge."

 

[conner01]

Forget "protecting the investment" as a way to look at this. To me it's the same road as the cut the bum crowd. It treats Randy as just a cog in the machine. You treat him like a person, help him be his own man, and he will walk through fire for his owner/coaches and team. That is how you build something that lasts. Sure it's a risk but life is, isn't it?

I thinking sticking by him and trying to get him help is the smart move. Nothing gained by cutting him and while I think he is pretty dumb to get himself in this situation the fact is there is an advantage to the team to at least try and help him. I firmly believe you can't help those who don't see they have a problem, no matter what that may be, but if you can help him the team and the player benefit from it

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

The Cowboys were having all kinds of issues," Hill said. "It was pretty much the same kind of situation [as in Cleveland]. I supposed, in some respects, without getting into specifics, Jerry was interested in what could be put together. What could he provide [in terms] of support to deal with the problems he had."
Players appreciate what Hill has to offer.
"He was important," said Charles Haley, a defensive end for the Cowboys in the '90s who talked to Hill about various undisclosed issues. "He can relate to these players and try to motivate them and get them out of the dark ages. Guys are from low economic backgrounds and these guys become men in the NFL and Calvin is there to help them."
Former Cowboys receiver Terrell Owens also talked to Hill about on- and off-the-field issues. After Owens suffered an accidental overdose during the 2006 season, Hill was there for the wide receiver.
"Calvin has always been in my corner," Owens said. "He would come to my locker and speak to me. He's a guy who is easy to talk to and can relate to you in many different ways."
Hill noted that, like Modell, Jones cares about players. He doesn't think of them as pieces of property and develops relationships with them on a regular basis.

The Browns are believed to be the first NFL team to have a player development program. Now every NFL team has one, and the Cowboys' is considered one of the best.
When the team traded up to select Dez Bryant in the 2010 draft, Jones mentioned how the player development program could be beneficial to the talented rookie whose stock had fallen because of character concerns.

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story...-provides-expert-field-support-dallas-cowboys

Hill and others can provide support to a player but like anything the players still has to do his part, Hill is not some witch doctor who is going to cure you from yourself. The player has a responsibility in all of this, the organization is not going to be there 24/7 to hold your hand.
"There are lots of ways in Dallas to have fun and get into trouble," Hill said. "You take a guy, I don't care where they're coming from. 'How do you handle it [fame], responsibility?' That's the challenge."

I missed the part of specific training, be it psychological/psychiatric/sociological training . . . even basic counseling other than an uncle-ish for fatherly approach.
And so, here is a good citizen (Calvin Hill) and
based on his solid character he becomes a guru for problem players . . .
I am sure he has many recommendations from players and Modell. I am not just seeing his academic or professional specialization. Am I wrong, mate, to ask about academic curriculum vitae?
Ya know, something further than a glowing report from Calvin Watkins.

 

[Doomsday101]

I missed the part of specific training, be it psychological/psychiatric/sociological training . . . even basic counseling other than an uncle-ish for fatherly approach.
And so, here is a good citizen (Calvin Hill) and
based on his solid character he becomes a guru for problem players . . .
I am sure he has many recommendations from players and Modell. I am not just seeing his academic or professional specialization. Am I wrong, mate, to ask about academic curriculum vitae?
Ya know, something further than a glowing report from Calvin Watkins.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-2872100039.html

I don't know if this meets your standards but I do know based on what others have said players will open up to him which is not easy for many of these players. Some suit talking to a guy like Charles Haley likely is not going to get through after all what does that guy know about his situation and the game? Players see Calvin as a man who has walked in their shoes. I think Calvin has been a big help to many guys but again a lot of it comes down to the player themselves wanting to change.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-2872100039.html

I don't know if this meets your standards but I do know based on what others have said players will open up to him which is not easy for many of these players. Some suit talking to a guy like Charles Haley likely is not going to get through after all what does that guy know about his situation and the game? Players see Calvin as a man who has walked in their shoes. I think Calvin has been a big help to many guys but again a lot of it comes down to the player themselves wanting to change.

I see. Shared experience but no specific clinical training.
I appreciate what you are doing: sticking up for a good citizen who comes with player recommendations (though TO's is not much to hang one's derby upon).
My concern is basically he is just a good guy, an authority figure and the NFL has raised him to the stature of player development guru. Nice going, there, Calvin.

 

[CCBoy]

Can someone point this out to Gregory. I am just being honest when I say I don't know why any player would waste millions of dollars to get high when you can smoke all you want after retiring. I just don't get it. If it was me and I had this opportunity yet wanted to smoke, I would play out my career buy me a nice piece of land in a state where marijuana is legal, surrounded by trees and go out on my porch and smoke all I wanted AFTER I made my money.

Not only that, but a person could even hire a personal bar tender and retire each and every night with a pretty nasty good drink...and not worry.

 

[Doomsday101]

I see. Shared experience but no specific clinical training.
I appreciate what you are doing: sticking up for a good citizen who comes with player recommendations (though TO's is not much to hang one's derby upon).
My concern is basically he is just a good guy, an authority figure and the NFL has raised him to the stature of player development guru. Nice going, there, Calvin.

Hill does what he is asked to do, players be it in Dallas or any other team can get rehab just as Manziel did but just as Manziel that mean nothing if the player is not interested in changing. All the degrees in the world will not stop a player or anyone from self destruction if they are not willing to change it starts with the player.

Calvin is an intelligent man whom many players feel they can go to and get counseling and open up to

 

[manster4ever]

Randy Gregory: Cowboys Need To Protect Their Investment

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"Just 24 years old."

"A pass rusher with some good raw ability."

"Stage 3 substance abuse, the next violation gets him a year suspension."

"Selfish player who can't put down the pipe."

The player I just described was Von Miller, two years ago...


Are current Cowboys 'fans' with too little stomach to support their own players?

That's over simplifying it. I've been a fan of the Cowboys since 1978. I support the players on the team that do things the right way on and OFF the field. Guys that are in trouble don't deserve my support frankly. RG needs to grow up and be a man. He has millions of reasons to do so. If he can't, then we'll find someone who can. It's pro football, not pre school.

 

[manster4ever]

Is Von Miller bi-polar? Not sure. But if he isn't, its not a good comparison.

Sure, the Cowboys need to protect their investment. Haley has spent a lot of time with him. But he can't be with Gregory 24/7. At some point, Gregory has to take responsibility for his own actions. Especially when he is away from the team.

I don't think we should cut him, as someone else said he will eventually cut himself if he doesn't change his ways. But I am tired of contsantly having guys on this team who need baby sitters.

If he is indeed bi polar then it changes the game. He is self medicating and needs serious professional help. If not...he's just another *** up.

 

[tyke1doe]

Get him the right help

There have been reports that indicate Gregory suffers from bipolar disorder. So managing how this kid acts might be a real challenge. The Cowboys could leverage off the experiences of a Hall-of-Fame pass rusher who battled his own demons during his playing career. Charles Haley was diagnosed with bipolar disorder and struggled with it until he was able to undergo therapy and get the proper medication. He now spends his spare time mentoring the Cowboys rookies. Dallas may need to ask Haley to be even more involved in helping Gregory. There is nobody more equipped in understanding what Gregory could be going through that someone who's already gone through it.

Whether the answer is more mentoring or generating a better off-field environment, the Cowboys should work hard to help Gregory get himself back on track. They have a responsibility to help these young players. Helping Gregory get his mind right is something that could provide a big payoff for the team later.

Is this your writing or the writing of another?

 

[tyke1doe]

Because he's a Cowboy, I say we shouldn't give up on him. He'll eventually cut himself if he can't get his act together. But I hope from here on out, we stop taking up roster spots with these gambles.
It's a headache for an organization and for an individual to keep babysitting grown ups.
And, really, it's a sad commentary on the organization. We are so desperate and so lacking in our ability to identify talent and cultivated it that we have to "gamble" on players who have great talent but have great off-the-field issues as well.
We need to get some guys in here who want to play football, have their acts together off the field as well as get coaches in here who can coach those kinds of guys and not have to worry about potheads, underwear thieves and women abusers.

 

[CCBoy]

Is this your writing or the writing of another?

The first three postings starting out the thread, are all from the original article..and the article site is shown in a later posting, due to the first not working properly...


http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2016...nvestment?_ga=1.184424804.37309970.1455255649

 

[CCBoy]

Because he's a Cowboy, I say we shouldn't give up on him. He'll eventually cut himself if he can't get his act together. But I hope from here on out, we stop taking up roster spots with these gambles.
It's a headache for an organization and for an individual to keep babysitting grown ups.
And, really, it's a sad commentary on the organization. We are so desperate and so lacking in our ability to identify talent and cultivated it that we have to "gamble" on players who have great talent but have great off-the-field issues as well.
We need to get some guys in here who want to play football, have their acts together off the field as well as get coaches in here who can coach those kinds of guys and not have to worry about potheads, underwear thieves and women abusers.

What we see here, is a product of our society today. Drug abuse is rampant and even at the collegiate levels of sport.

Top collegiate athletes are treated as BMOC (big man on campus) and allowed to get away with actual abuses and predatory actions. Give a young athlete what to him is inexhaustable funds, and place him on a pedestal in an environment where there are lap and pole dances, and alcohol and drugs flowing like water...he better have some values going into this. Criminals usually miss the mark as well. That is until they get hit in the face by a sledge.

That sledge here had better be direct conversations with both Jerry Jones and Jason Garret directly. Following up on this with personal and continual contacts with both Charles Haley and Leon Lett. Then a continual and mandatory routine of visits with Calvin Hill and his staff.