Randy Gregory is worth #27

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I take him if he is there. Check out this video against a good Miami team; he dominates against run and pass. Top 10 talent. Jason Taylor II.

As far as his drug problem, I think the NFL marijuana rules will become more lenient to mirror societal changes. Until then, maybe he can stay off the bong for a year or two.

Also, he could save us $10+ million on next year's cap if he pans out and we don't have to re-sign Hardy. Something to think about.

 
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I know they'd never do it because it's still illegal almost everywhere, but I think the NFL should just drop marijuana off their banned substance list. If a player gets in legal hot water over it then punish them for that, but if it's just a positive test then let them be. Still be a PR hit in a lot of the country so it won't happen.
 
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I know they'd never do it because it's still illegal almost everywhere, but I think the NFL should just drop marijuana off their banned substance list. If a player gets in legal hot water over it then punish them for that, but if it's just a positive test then let them be. Still be a PR hit in a lot of the country so it won't happen.

Yea, I think that ought to be the NFL standard for all recreational drugs (marijuana, ecstasy, etc.) and domestic violence -- if you get convicted, you get disciplined. If not, you don't. The only thing that the NFL should independently punish is PEDs because they affect the integrity of the game.
 

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I watched the Nebraska-USC game.
As impressive as Gregory was in this vid,he was a non factor against USC
 

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I watched the Nebraska-USC game.
As impressive as Gregory was in this vid,he was a non factor against USC

Any huge plays? No. Non-factor? Not even close. He is clearly playing contain on a significant number of read-option plays so that effects his numbers. Not to mention how many times he gets held and/or still almost gets the QB. And holy cow @ how many times they double block him.

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/randy-gregory-vs-usc-2014/

I mean seriously. That tape is about as far from a "non-factor" as it gets man.
 
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Any huge plays? No. Non-factor? Not even close. He is clearly playing contain on a significant number of read-option plays so that effects his numbers. Not to mention how many times he gets held and/or still almost gets the QB. And holy cow @ how many times they double block him.

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/randy-gregory-vs-usc-2014/

I mean seriously. That tape is about as far from a "non-factor" as it gets man.

I agree 100%. Just think what he'd be like in a Marianelli system where his only responsibility is to explode off the ball and rush the QB, and perhaps tackle the RB on the way.
 

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Any huge plays? No. Non-factor? Not even close. He is clearly playing contain on a significant number of read-option plays so that effects his numbers. Not to mention how many times he gets held and/or still almost gets the QB. And holy cow @ how many times they double block him.

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/randy-gregory-vs-usc-2014/

I mean seriously. That tape is about as far from a "non-factor" as it gets man.

I didn't think he did very much in that game. The RT dominated him, even though he did get a sack on him that was a coverage sack. The freshman LT at times blew him off the ball many times in the run game and held his own against the pass. Couple of times he got blocked by the backs or a receiver(#13). I have no interest in Gregory.
 

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I didn't think he did very much in that game. The RT dominated him, even though he did get a sack on him that was a coverage sack. The freshman LT at times blew him off the ball many times in the run game and held his own against the pass. Couple of times he got blocked by the backs or a receiver(#13). I have no interest in Gregory.

He absolutely ate the LT alive a plethora of times, particularly on inside moves. He also stood him up several times when it looked like the LT's responsibility was to seal the outside. He wasn't as good against the run, but that's not why we'd be drafting him.

Very first play in the video he shows a great outside burst and then a good rip move and almost gets the sack.

Second play he knocks the LT back on his heels, takes hands to the face and is right in the QB's face in under three seconds. No one covered the RB though.

@:49 He plays the middle run option, then gets back outside and beats the LT block for the tackle.

That's all in the first five minutes, but it continues...

@1:18 he absolutely whips the LT with an inside move. In the QB's face in two seconds.

By the second quarter they're doubling him regularly.

@3:00 He absolutely beasts the LT to the inside again. In the QB's face in a flash. Forces another early, errant throw.

@3:13 like a broken record, inside move, right in the QB's lap. Forces the quick errant throw.

@3:50 he puts on swim move on the LT that's so good, the tackle falls down.

In the second half, the LT does a much better job, but they also continue to double Gregory a significant number of snaps. Judging by the stats, USC ran the ball more in the second half as well. Gregory also played a lot more against the RT who, like you pointed out, actually did a far better job than the LT did.

I question his ability to hold up against the run on three downs, but Gregory can get to the QB. There really is no arguing that. I hope this tape isn't your best agrument against his ability to impact the passing game. They double teamed him, chipped him with a running back or he was in the backfield quickly on a very high frequency of snaps. The LT did get the better of him 1-on-1 on several occasions, but its asking a little too much for Gregory to beat the guy every play. Particularly against a team known for developing offensive line talent.

Gregory is as close to Bruce Irvin as there is anywhere. The way he plays. His body type. His move set. I'd take Irvin at 27, but thats just me. I can get not wanting Gregory, but the kid can rush the passer. Period.
 

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[A]ccording to more than a dozen coaches, scouts, personnel chiefs and GMs, there is concern about Gregory’s ability to handle the mental rigors of professional football. And just how far he drops in this week’s draft will likely hinge on the individual psychological profiles (and the results of related testing) put together by each team, according to multiple sources.


One opinion that’s common among the evaluators who’ve delved deep into Gregory’s past — he’s not a bad kid. He comes from a solid background. He's well-meaning.


“At some point, the risk meets the reward, especially at the bottom of the (first) round — those are good teams,” said an area scout for one team, assigned to Nebraska. “They miss, it’s not a big deal. But the top 20 picks of each round, it’s tough. He’s either gonna be a good player or he’s not gonna be in the NFL. He comes from a good home, he’s a smart kid.


“How do you wanna deal with it?” the scout continued.
“Do you wanna work with him? Can you do the off-the-field stuff to manage it?”

The concern is that, through no fault of his own, Gregory’s problems might be manageable, but not fixable, which makes his landing in the right environment (as the scout alluded to) vital.
 

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^ No thanks.

That post literally describes the majority of troubled youth that get drafted into the NFL. As well as McClain. As well as Hardy. As well as Dez Bryant. Should I assume you didn't want any of them either?

Now the pot stuff is an issue, but just going off the unsourced quote you posted, I wouldn't bat an eye.
 

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Gregory was pretty much a non factor in the USC game.
You can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig.
 

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Besides all the other stuff, he's just too damn thin. His legs don't look like they'll carry that much more weight.

I can't see him having a long NFL career at his position.

The talent is clearly there.
 

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I know they'd never do it because it's still illegal almost everywhere, but I think the NFL should just drop marijuana off their banned substance list. If a player gets in legal hot water over it then punish them for that, but if it's just a positive test then let them be. Still be a PR hit in a lot of the country so it won't happen.

I agree. Treat marijuana like they do alcohol. Discipline if the player gets caught for DUI (or the weed equivalent) otherwise just look the other way.

I don't think it needs to be a PR hit. Researchers are linking the use of cannabis as a potential treatment to concussions and long term head trauma. The research I think is still in its infancy, so the NFLPA should approach the league and ask them to reach into their deep pockets to fund and lead the research. If the NFL really does care about player safety, they should leave no stone unturned. The treatment doesn't necessarily have to be psychoactive but traces of THC will show up in the urine sample. So I guess if it's an effective treatment, they might as well allow marijuana use for all players? Not sure how that will work exactly.... Point is though, if it's all about player safety, I think a lot of country WILL over time accept it. But then again, until it is legalized on the federal level, the logistics may be too complicated to overcome.

Here's an article:
http://nflconcussionlitigation.com/?p=1517

And I just found Goodell's stance:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...consider-marijuana-as-a-concussion-treatment/
 
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