Randy Moss HOF worthy?

[carphalen5150]

Randy Moss will not get into the HOF unless he leads NE or another team to a Super Bowl win.

Ummm, wrong.

He does not have to win a SB to get in the Hall. As it stands right now he should get in...anything else he does is gravy.

 

[Doomsday101]

I just hope the fans show Moss the same respect he showed the game when his day comes. :moon:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

the Super Bowl argument is reserved for players who rack up stats by playing for a very long time, if you were dominant for awhile, and you have the stats, you'll find your name in the Hall of Fame

for the people who think Moss needs to be apart of a Championship team in order to get into the Hall, he doesn't

 

[LowTech]

Moss isn't worthy of mopping the floor in Canton.

He would do something great on the field, then turn around and make an *** out of himself on the same field.

 

[carphalen5150]

I just hope the fans show Moss the same respect he showed the game when his day comes. :moon:

The fans? They control the voting for the HOF?

Moss has made some questionable mistakes, but the numbers he has put up are undeniable.

 

[Doomsday101]

The fans? They control the voting for the HOF?

Moss has made some questionable mistakes, but the numbers he has put up are undeniable.

Fans don't, these guys do. I would also add there is no clear cut set criteria for guys making the HOF and there are many guys who deserve the HOF but are not in it.

Arizona Kent Somers, Arizona Republic
Atlanta Len Pasquarelli, ESPN.com
Baltimore Scott Garceau, WMAR-TV
Buffalo Mark Gaughan, Buffalo News
Carolina Charles Chandler, Charlotte Observer
Chicago Don Pierson, Chicago Tribune*
Cincinnati Chick Ludwig, Dayton Daily News
Cleveland Tony Grossi, Cleveland Plain Dealer
Dallas Rick Gosselin, Dallas Morning News*
Denver Jeff Legwold, Rocky Mountain News
Detroit Jerry Green, The Detroit News*
Green Bay Cliff Christl, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
Houston John McClain, Houston Chronicle*
Indianapolis Mike Chappell, Indianapolis Star
Jacksonville Sam Kouvaris, WJXT-TV
Kansas City Bob Gretz, KCFX Overland Park, KS
Miami Edwin Pope, Miami Herald*
Minnesota Sid Hartman, The Minneapolis Star-Tribune
New England Ron Borges, Boston Globe
New Orleans Pete Finney, Times-Picayune
New York (Giants) Vinny DiTrani, Bergen Record
New York (Jets) Paul Zimmerman, Sports Illustrated
Oakland Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange
Philadelphia Paul Domowitch, Philadelphia Daily News
Pittsburgh Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
St. Louis Bernie Miklasz, St. Louis Post-Dispatch
San Diego Jerry Magee, San Diego Union Tribune*
San Francisco Ira Miller, The Sports Xchange*
Seattle John Clayton, ESPN/ESPN Magazine
Tampa Bay Ira Kaufman, Tampa Tribune
Tennessee David Climer, The Tennessean
Washington David Elfin, Washington Times
PFWA Charean Williams, Ft. Worth Star Telegram
At Large Howard Balzer, The Sports Xchange
At Large Jarrett Bell, USA Today
At Large Dave Goldberg, Associated Press*
At Large Peter King, Sports Illustrated
At Large Bob Oates, Los Angeles Times
At Large Len Shapiro, Miami Herald*
At Large Jim Trotter, San Diego Union-Tribune

 

[Doomsday101]

Charged with the vital task of continuing to be sure that new enshrinees are the finest the game has produced is the Pro Football Hall of Fame's 40-person Board of Selectors (see list below).

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With the exception of the PFWA representative who is appointed for a two-year term, all appointments are of the open-end variety and can be terminated only by retirement or resignation, as long as the member continues to attend meetings regularly.

The Board of Selectors meets annually at the time of the Super Bowl to elect new members. There is no set number for any class of enshrinees but, the Board's current ground rules do stipulate that between three and six new members will be selected each year. The 1973 and 1976 classes of three were the smallest ever named.

Every candidate is carefully scrutinized and must receive at least 80 percent approval of the Board at the annual meeting before he can be elected. A scale of negative votes for elimination that will vary depending on the number of Selectors in attendance is used.

When the Selectors meet in South Florida next February to name the Class of 2007, they will have before them a roster of 17 final candidates, along with detailed biographies on each. To assure that older players will be considered along with the younger breed, the Seniors Committee - made up of nine veteran members of the overall Selection Committee - have named two nominees from the pre-1982 era to be included on the final list.

The other finalists will be the survivors from a preliminary list of candidates that the Board will have screened by mail ballot. That original list will have been in part provided by the fans themselves.

A slight modification to the bylaws in August 2006 resulted in an increase to 17 finalists based on 15 modern-era candidates and two senior nominees being named. In the past, the finalists numbered 15 that included 13 modern-era candidates and the two senior nominees.

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[sacase]

if NE wins the SB this year and Moss has a good year without problems, he is in, easy.

 

[carphalen5150]

OK, now we know who votes for the HOF...so what was your point about the fans disrespecting him like he did them?

 

[Doomsday101]

OK, now we know who votes for the HOF...so what was your point about the fans disrespecting him like he did them?

The point is I would hope many fans will show Moss the same respect or lack of that he has shown this game.

 

[carphalen5150]

The point is I would hope many fans will show Moss the same respect or lack of that he has shown this game.

Fine...that does not keep him out of the Hall though. Not sure how being immature back at him really does anything either.

 

[aikemirv]

the difference with the Patriots is that Tom Brady is a great QB who is their leader - Romo isn't Tom Brady so we need T.O. to be a leader.

a WR can be the leader in certain situations.

Welcome to Bizzaro world.

Romo does not have to be Tom Brady to be a leader and make no mistake Romo is the leader of this offense not T.O.

 

[THUMPER]

Can anyone name a WR who led his team to the SB? I can't think of one.

WRs are simply not in a position to lead a team in that way. They can be cheerleaders like Irvin, who help get the team pumped up but Aikman was the leader of the 90s Cowboys. WRs don't control the game to the degree required to lead a team anywhere.

Moss isn't a leader of any kind so the statement that he might possibly lead the Patriots (or another team) to the SB is completely laughable.

Jerry Rice is considered by many to be the greatest WR ever but he was never the leader on any team he played for, it was always the QB (Montana or Young).

Terrell Owens didn't lead this team anywhere last year. Steve Largent never led his team to the SB. Paul Warfield was never the leader on his teams. Marvin Harrison was certainly not the leader on the Colts last year.

Go down the list of the greatest WRs of the SB era and you won't find a single one who led his team to the SB.

Case closed.

 

[Doomsday101]

Fine...that does not keep him out of the Hall though. Not sure how being immature back at him really does anything either.

It would only show the respect he earned or in this case the disrespect he earned. Look if you like Moss then great I think he is a great talent who let a lot of teammates down over the years when he talks of not playing hard or doing it when he wants and pouting on the sidelines when he is not happy. If you think that represents the greatness of the NFL then we just disagree.

 

[Big Country]

nope!

 

[joseephuss]

It would only show the respect he earned or in this case the disrespect he earned. Look if you like Moss then great I think he is a great talent who let a lot of teammates down over the years when he talks of not playing hard or doing it when he wants and pouting on the sidelines when he is not happy. If you think that represents the greatness of the NFL then we just disagree.

His attitude does not represent NFL greatness. The greatness associated with all time greats like Jerry Rice and Walter Payton, for examples. What he has done on the field still shows signs of greatness even in this era that heavily favors wide open offenses. If he had the attitude of true Hall of Famers, his numbers would be even greater. Put a Walter Payton drive into Randy Moss and the records would all be his when his career ended.

I don't think he has to win a Superbowl to get in the HOF. He probably just has to keep playing a few more years to get into the top ten in receptions(29th,) and receiving yards(21st). He is already 5th all time in TD receptions and 16th in total TDS. His first 6 years were huge.

 

[Doomsday101]

His attitude does not represent NFL greatness. The greatness associated with all time greats like Jerry Rice and Walter Payton, for examples. What he has done on the field still shows signs of greatness even in this era that heavily favors wide open offenses. If he had the attitude of true Hall of Famers, his numbers would be even greater. Put a Walter Payton drive into Randy Moss and the records would all be his when his career ended.

I don't think he has to win a Superbowl to get in the HOF. He probably just has to keep playing a few more years to get into the top ten in receptions(29th,) and receiving yards(21st). He is already 5th all time in TD receptions and 16th in total TDS. His first 6 years were huge.

As I said his numbers are good enough to get him in however I don't think it is a given and I can point to many greats who are still waiting to make it to the HOF who deserve to be in there. I do think things like his attitude will hurt him as far as being a 1st ballot inductee into the HOF. For all of the bad things that guys like LT and Irvin may have done when it came to the game they gave their all and I think many sports writers will question what Moss gave.