Re-watched the Tampa Game-thoughts/opinions

[Cowboyny]

Go back to when his hand was stepped on in the Texan game....wonder if is a bigger issue than they let on?

It very well could be hurt.

 

[kskboys]

I had a problem with it because I think he was just looking at an analytics chart. Not out of the box thinking. They act like this is some new tech. This is simple math 10-12 year old kids that play board games with dice have known for decades. They make these decisions on the fly. No analytics needed. If you roll two dice, chances are you get a 1-3 on at least 1 of them. If you need a 6 to hit and roll 6 dice, chances are you get one 6. Little kids have made game decisions based on this with no chart. It's easy stuff. The problem is, it's never consistent. I can't tell you how many times I rolled two dice and not got a 1-3. Ever play Axis and allies or Titan? I'll take the almost sure thing twice over hoping to hit once on two 50/50 chances every day. If you miss it the first time, you do not have a better chance at getting it the second time. It's just luck.

Here's the rule as to why going for 2 was dumb: Don't get cute.

 

[kskboys]

Yeah, amazing how when they go to hurry up the plays start working. That's Dak calling the plays.

Doesn't hurt that the opposing D is usually in prevent mode then.

 

[nalam]

Offense

-Something was off with Dak. His accuracy was all over the place, majority of his throws were high. He usually feasts when teams blitz them, but struggled throughout the night. Footwork was also terrible.
-Tampa corners were sitting on the underneath routes, dared the Cowboys to beat them over the top.
-Both interceptions were on fastballs where it bounced off both Ferguson and Flournoy.
-Run game struggled throughout the game.
-Schott's decision to go for 2, made zero sense. You also play for the tie at home.

Defense

-Outside of 1st drive, thought the defense is the 1st half wasn't bad. That 1st drive they could of gotten off the field multiple times, several penalties kept the drive going.
-2nd Half the wheels came off and that snowball affect ….

As I mentioned in another thread , Tampa started pressuring Dak ,(sometimes it’s only pressure looks) and he was going back to his old mechanics, throwing indecisive and off back foot , lot of passes sailed or hit the ground in front of WRs . He was panicking a bit , basically thrown out of his comfort zone, if you seen the post game remarks the Boys thought this was an easy win .

 

[Canada180]

You only have emotion, No facts are on your side.

Please enlighten us with these facts

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

" Something was off with Dak. His accuracy was all over the place, majority of his throws were high. He usually feasts when teams blitz them, but struggled throughout the night. Footwork was also terrible. "

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

 

[Cowboyny]

As I mentioned in another thread , Tampa started pressuring Dak ,(sometimes it’s only pressure looks) and he was going back to his old mechanics, throwing indecisive and off back foot , lot of passes sailed or hit the ground in front of WRs . He was panicking a bit , basically thrown out of his comfort zone, if you seen the post game remarks the Boys thought this was an easy win .

You can never take any NFL opponent lightly. It is a poor coaching job if they felt they could just show up and win.

 

[Pokes12]

Defense gave the offense 4 possessions in the 2nd qtr and they put up 3 points and ran off about 5 min of clock, one possession was like 30 something seconds. That's the story. Defense gassed by second half and it showed. If the offense had managed to put together some scoring drives, it likely puts more pressure on the young undrafted rookie QB and he makes some mistakes.

One of the issues with this offense, even when it's clicking, is it's all chunk plays. There's very few, long, sustained drives that keep the defense off the field. With a defense that's this bad, you want them out there as little as possible.

Yup, in a nutshell, they are a hot mess. Bad coaching shows up in every comment. We have a let's-play-not-to-lose mentality. Schotty hasn't shown a single innovative idea, on offense or defense. He is totally vanilla and thinks he can talk his way to a win. It just does not work that way. He is awful, Dak is awful, the defense is horrible.

 

[kramskoi]

Dak has the authority to change plays. He has shorter options. This ain't Madden and I ain't the one to type unlettered thoughtless posts towards. "How about..." you make a point that doesn't depend on a strawman or is not factual.

Changing a play is NOT the same as changing a formation champ. And who is responsible for the formations? Or do you think Schottenheimer is just a stool pigeon?

 

[plasticman]

I thought about it.

It is my opinion that you are a masochist.

But seriously.......seriously? You watched it again?

 

[kramskoi]

Dak has the authority to change plays. He has shorter options. This ain't Madden and I ain't the one to type unlettered thoughtless posts towards. "How about..." you make a point that doesn't depend on a strawman or is not factual.

Changing plays is not the same as changing formations. And who is designing the formations sir? You want to make this about Prescott but he is currently producing THE MOST EPA value under the QBR metric:

• 228 quarterback action plays — most in the NFL.
• +39.0 passing EPA — most in the NFL.
• +45.5 total EPA — most in the NFL.
• +23.9 points above average — most in the NFL.
  
  
  And he is fourth (2.7 secs) in how fast he gets rid of the ball.
  
  
  You just don't see it...or don't WANT TO SEE IT. Prescott is being asked to carry a largely vertically oriented, pass-heavy attack and when it doesn't work he's trash. Schottenheimer is simply not running the ball enough.
  
  
  
• Throughout his stops as an offensive coordinator—with the Jets (2006–2011), Jeff Fisher with the Rams (2012–2014), Pete Carroll in Seattle (2018–2020), and now running the Dallas offense—the defining critique of Schottenheimer’s system has been its rigid, vertical geometry and chronic aversion to modern quick-game/crossing concepts.
  
  

  The Historical Track Record​

  • The Seattle Era (2018–2020): During the peak debates over the Seahawks' offense, Schottenheimer’s scheme was notorious for being a "two-tier" passing game: either hand the ball off into a loaded box, or take max-protect deep shots down the boundary to DK Metcalf or Tyler Lockett. The offense routinely ignored the intermediate middle of the field. On 3rd-and-short, instead of running tempo, quick slants, or horizontal mesh to exploit vacated grass, Seattle frequently dialed up deep boundary comebacks or low-percentage go-balls.
  • The Jets & Rams Eras: In New York and St. Louis, his offenses consistently ranked near the bottom of the league in yards after catch (YAC) because the passing tree lived on boundary stops, curls, and deep out-breakers where receivers caught the ball with their backs to the goal line.

Mark my words. This self-inflicted "feast or famine" offense (when it encounters tough defenses) is not the stuff of championships...especially not with who is running it. It's built wrong and has been for too long. Nothing has really changed.

 

[OGSixshooter]

Changing plays is not the same as changing formations. And who is designing the formations sir? You want to make this about Prescott but he is currently producing THE MOST EPA value under the QBR metric:

• 228 quarterback action plays — most in the NFL.
• +39.0 passing EPA — most in the NFL.
• +45.5 total EPA — most in the NFL.
• +23.9 points above average — most in the NFL.
  
  
  And he is fourth (2.7 secs) in how fast he gets rid of the ball.
  
  
  You just don't see it...or don't WANT TO SEE IT. Prescott is being asked to carry a largely vertically oriented, pass-heavy attack and when it doesn't work he's trash. Schottenheimer is simply not running the ball enough.
  
  
  
• Throughout his stops as an offensive coordinator—with the Jets (2006–2011), Jeff Fisher with the Rams (2012–2014), Pete Carroll in Seattle (2018–2020), and now running the Dallas offense—the defining critique of Schottenheimer’s system has been its rigid, vertical geometry and chronic aversion to modern quick-game/crossing concepts.
  
  

  The Historical Track Record​

  • The Seattle Era (2018–2020): During the peak debates over the Seahawks' offense, Schottenheimer’s scheme was notorious for being a "two-tier" passing game: either hand the ball off into a loaded box, or take max-protect deep shots down the boundary to DK Metcalf or Tyler Lockett. The offense routinely ignored the intermediate middle of the field. On 3rd-and-short, instead of running tempo, quick slants, or horizontal mesh to exploit vacated grass, Seattle frequently dialed up deep boundary comebacks or low-percentage go-balls.
  • The Jets & Rams Eras: In New York and St. Louis, his offenses consistently ranked near the bottom of the league in yards after catch (YAC) because the passing tree lived on boundary stops, curls, and deep out-breakers where receivers caught the ball with their backs to the goal line.

Mark my words. This self-inflicted "feast or famine" offense (when it encounters tough defenses) is not the stuff of championships...especially not with who is running it. It's built wrong and has been for too long. Nothing has really changed.

This is rambling babble. And the difference of changing plays and formations is a distinction without much of a practical difference given the context of the discussion. And then you change the subject so you can vent on behalf of Dak.

Tough toenails. He's the highest paid. We need results not apologetics and weak sauce stats that is out of context. For one, you don't know if this is Dak-centric or forced on him. I bet 2 all pro WRs weren't forced on him. But it's that time of the Cowboys month for the Dak-stans....bleeding and pointing and sputtering is all you have.

 

[Ironicalicon]

Think they need another physical linebacker next to Barham.

Not at least working out Bobby Wagner is unacceptable. I don't care if CP doesn't like him. I don't care if Wagner wants more than Jerry wants to pay him. I don't care that he's 36 years old.

 

[Cowboyny]

Not at least working out Bobby Wagner is unacceptable. I don't care if CP doesn't like him. I don't care if Wagner wants more than Jerry wants to pay him. I don't care that he's 36 years old.

I think it has to do with his inability to cover, but doesn't mean he can be a good 2 down player at this stage.

 

[BLEU3ASY]

I seen the defense get off the field on multiple 3rd downs. The offense was stuck on stupid.

 

[kramskoi]

This is rambling babble. And the difference of changing plays and formations is a distinction without much of a practical difference given the context of the discussion. And then you change the subject so you can vent on behalf of Dak.

Tough toenails. He's the highest paid. We need results not apologetics and weak sauce stats that is out of context. For one, you don't know if this is Dak-centric or forced on him. I bet 2 all pro WRs weren't forced on him. But it's that time of the Cowboys month for the Dak-stans....bleeding and pointing and sputtering is all you have.

It's not "rambling babble" at all. That's BS. It's just inconvenient data that contradicts your held beliefs. And now you have to dismiss it to keep that belief alive and well. It's not out of context at all. Prescott, by the QBR metric, is providing the MOST expected points for his team vs. any other quarterback right now. He is the least of the problems in Dallas. Doesn't make him perfect, without flaws or incapable of having a crappy game. And the "highest paid" trope is just vacuous. It has nothing to do with anything but irrational expectations.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You can never take any NFL opponent lightly. It is a poor coaching job if they felt they could just show up and win.

I said as much in couple of other comments.
Dak confirmed it, that they thought they are going to win this one.
coaches weren't prepared
players weren't prepared
I think that first drive by offense socring so quickly, gave them false confidence that we are going to score a bunch tonight
then they got punched in the mouth and they went "oh oh"

 

[khiladi]

Defense gave the offense 4 possessions in the 2nd qtr and they put up 3 points and ran off about 5 min of clock, one possession was like 30 something seconds. That's the story. Defense gassed by second half and it showed. If the offense had managed to put together some scoring drives, it likely puts more pressure on the young undrafted rookie QB and he makes some mistakes.

One of the issues with this offense, even when it's clicking, is it's all chunk plays. There's very few, long, sustained drives that keep the defense off the field. With a defense that's this bad, you want them out there as little as possible.

Or the opposing defense is hot garbage. The Texans dropped a should have been INT on the second to last drive of I remember correctly..