Read-option quarterbacks are fair game on fakes, NFL says

[erod]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/05/nfl-confirms-read-option-qbs-can-be-hit-like-runners/

This is excellent news.

Now, it won't be necessary on Eli this week, but here's hoping NFL defensive coordinators can literally pound this high-school crap out of the league, starting Sunday.

Want to run the read option with Vick, RG3, Kaepernick, Wilson, etc? Fine, but you're quarterback is going to take a beating that won't leave him standing for long. Teams need to just obliterate these quarterbacks every play they make that fake or handoff. Mercilessly.

RG3's doctor said he's "concerned with how they're going to use him." He should be. RG is going to take some big shots.

Get this low-brow, rudimentary, sixth-grade offense out of the league, and let's play professional football.

 

[Doomsday101]

Still, that doesn’t mean defenders get unlimited free shots on quarterbacks on all read-option plays. If it’s obvious that the quarterback doesn’t have the ball anymore, he can’t get hit: The rules say that if a defender drills a quarterback after he has handed off or pitched the ball and isn’t taking a running posture anymore, it’s unnecessary roughness.

“If the quarterback is out of the pocket, he’s clearly out of the play, he cannot be unnecessarily contacted,” Blandino said.

The officials will have a tough job determining where the line is drawn between playing tough, physical defense on read-option quarterbacks, and unnecessarily contacting a quarterback who doesn’t have the ball anymore. It’s probably safe to say that the Packers and the 49ers won’t agree about where that line should be drawn on Sunday.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...irms-read-option-qbs-can-be-hit-like-runners/

 

[Staubacher]

This is good. These qbs are faking the handoff or handing it off but keep running as if they have the ball. They should be fair targets since the play is designed to draw tacklers to them.

RG3, Wilson, Kapernick careers are essentially over

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

So its just like the rule last year?

Clearly people weren't paying attention to a) what this offense is and b) what the rules were in 2012

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

“If the quarterback is out of the pocket, he’s clearly out of the play, he cannot be unnecessarily contacted,” Blandino said.




http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...irms-read-option-qbs-can-be-hit-like-runners/

After week 3 vs the Bengals RG3 would toss his hands in the air to clearly show he did not have the ball and would essentially run out of the way.

If DC's are going to have their DE's chase the QB 7 yards away from the LOS, Alfred Morris is going to get 2,500 yards

 

[Doomsday101]

This is good. These qbs are faking the handoff or handing it off but keep running as if they have the ball. They should be fair targets since the play is designed to draw tacklers to them.

RG3, Wilson, Kapernick careers are essentially over

But then on handoffs most QB to turn and move the opposite direction hoping to draw the defender to them as well. I just think the old adage comes into play with the refs which is if you are unsure throw the flag.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

But then on handoffs most QB to turn and move the opposite direction hoping to draw the defender to them as well. I just think the old adage comes into play with the refs which is if you are unsure throw the flag.

Why aren't QB's who run a play action pass but then hand off the ball and are "running out their fakes" (think Brett Favre faking throwing the ball) constantly nailed by DE's?

 

[Apollo Creed]

Then if I'm coaching up my guys against a guy like Vick or RGIII - I make it abundantly clear, that you hit them early and often. Give up the 8 yard run for an opportunity to absolutely blow up the opposing team's most valuable commodity.

 

[riverside4]

Here we go again when RGKnee would trow his hands up like he was in preschool again.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Then if I'm coaching up my guys against a guy like Vick or RGIII - I make it abundantly clear, that you hit them early and often. Give up the 8 yard run for an opportunity to absolutely blow up the opposing team's most valuable commodity.

1) You gotta actually get there. That isn't a guarantee

2) Your team is going to go down quickly 21-3 because you are taking a defender out of the play to chase the QB for no reason. You aren't giving up 8 yards a carry, you are gonna give up 20 yards a pop

 

[Apollo Creed]

This will put an end to this new gimmick.

You'd have to be stupid to put your 50-100 million dollar investment at risk that often. Certainly its a great wrinkle and can be used to keep a defense off balance from time to time - but to make it a focal point of your offense, is foolish.

Think about the Skins, they gave up the farm, basically mortgaged their entire future on RGIII, now he's on 1 good leg and his career is in jeopardy because they pushed the envelope.

If I struck gold on a QB like Kap or Wilson in the late rounds, then sure - I'd take a few more risks and use their skill set to my advantage. But when you draft a franchise QB and you treat him like he's Pat White, there is a fundamental flaw in your organizational perspective of long-term player value.

 

[Apollo Creed]

1) You gotta actually get there. That isn't a guarantee

2) Your team is going to go down quickly 21-3 because you are taking a defender out of the play to chase the QB for no reason. You aren't giving up 8 yards a carry, you are gonna give up 20 yards a pop

And one more bad hit on RG3 and his career is over. You gonna give up a potentially great hall of fame career to run the read-option?

Let him use his legs in the natural flow of the game, if he needs to escape and make something happen, or a few designed runs and roll outs - sure, go right ahead. But to use the option as a major tenet of your offense is stupid, especially considering you guys gave up your future for him.

 

[riverside4]

1) You gotta actually get there. That isn't a guarantee

2) Your team is going to go down quickly 21-3 because you are taking a defender out of the play to chase the QB for no reason. You aren't giving up 8 yards a carry, you are gonna give up 20 yards a pop

Guess we c tonight in the game Kap is 2x the QB RGKnee is so lets c how he is defended tonight.

 

[Hostile]

Guess we c tonight in the game Kap is 2x the QB RGKnee is so lets c how he is defended tonight.

Ravens and Broncos tonight, not 49ers and Packers.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

And one more bad hit on RG3 and his career is over. You gonna give up a potentially great hall of fame career to run the read-option?

Let him use his legs in the natural flow of the game, if he needs to escape and make something happen, or a few designed runs and roll outs - sure, go right ahead. But to use the option as a major tenet of your offense is stupid, especially considering you guys gave up your future for him.

How many times was RG3 injured on the R/O. I am more worried about him in the pocket taking a blind side hit rather then running the ball out of bounds himself with the blocking set up for him.

This tough talk has cracked me up for a while. You are going to have DE's chasing QB's 7 yards behind the LOS, after he has shown he doesn't have the ball, and RB's gashing those defenses for 200 yards a game.

Supposedly this is what the Ravens did in the Superbowl, but Kap was touched 3 times, touched not knocked down, and the 49ers nearly made the biggest comeback in Superbowl history.

 

[Vintage]

Guess we c tonight in the game Kap is 2x the QB RGKnee is so lets c how he is defended tonight.

49ers aren't playing tonite. Its Broncos and Ravens

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Still, that doesn’t mean defenders get unlimited free shots on quarterbacks on all read-option plays. /

Yea, I sometimes think people believe it's gonna be anything goes, which it won't. My take is, it only takes one hit though sometimes.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

From the article. Reading the whole story is pretty important

Still, that doesn’t mean defenders get unlimited free shots on quarterbacks on all read-option plays. If it’s obvious that the quarterback doesn’t have the ball anymore, he can’t get hit: The rules say that if a defender drills a quarterback after he has handed off or pitched the ball and isn’t taking a running posture anymore, it’s unnecessary roughness.

 

[elcowboi]

1) You gotta actually get there. That isn't a guarantee

2) Your team is going to go down quickly 21-3 because you are taking a defender out of the play to chase the QB for no reason. You aren't giving up 8 yards a carry, you are gonna give up 20 yards a pop

Your going to be justifying why teams shouldn't go after RGIII all year long. LOL. Fans want players to go out of their way to destroy RGIII on a hit but the coaches will be smart. They'll choose when to lay him out or when to just let him be.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Yea, I sometimes think people believe it's gonna be anything goes, which it won't. My take is, it only takes one hit though sometimes.

Of course, and that one hit can happen in the pocket.

Like with Carson Palmer. Or with Tony Romo. Or with Tom Brady. All had season ending injuries in the pocket