Reading About These Turncoat Fans Makes Me Sick

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I hate bandwagon fans. Bold added for emphasis to illustrate the idiots. I even made one of the really eye opening ones red because it backs up claims I have made before. I have nothing but respect for the Steelers fan named Barella.

Out-of-state ties test fan loyalties


http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2009/01/30/20090130superfans0130-CP.html#commentsby Dennis Wagner - Jan. 30, 2009 12:00 AM

The Arizona Republic

Tempe insurance agent Mark Davis, born 60 miles west of Pittsburgh, has been a Steelers fan since he was knee-high to a coal miner.

Come Sunday, however, he'll be cheering for the team in red from Arizona.
"This will be the very first time in my 54 years that I'll be rooting against the Steelers," Davis said. "Gotta go for the hometown boys now, the Cardinals. I just switched this week."

Joe Barrella, a 41-year-old Phoenix auto-parts courier, also became part of Steelers Nation as a child, inheriting a rabid loyalty from his grandpa.
Come Sunday, Barrella will be at Harold's Corral in Cave Creek, leading an expected 4,000 Pennsylvania expatriates in chants for the team from Pittsburgh.

"I have two football teams," Barrella said, "the Steelers and anybody who beats the Cardinals. I'm a Cardinals hater."

When it comes to team loyalty, there's nothing like a http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2009/01/30/20090130superfans0130-CP.html#Super Bowl to separate the fanatic from the fan, the die-hard from the fair-weather follower.

This year's championship is proving especially difficult for Arizonans, most of whom moved here from some other place, with allegiance to some other team.

As a native of Pennsylvania and mayor of Cave Creek, Vincent Francia knows the angst firsthand. This week, he will join longtime friends watching the game at Harold's, cheering with a lonely voice for a Redbirds win.
"I felt it best to declare my allegiance before I confront the terrible gold towels," Francia said, a tad nervously. "It was difficult. I was born in Pittsburgh. There's a lot of natal feeling. But Arizona is my home for 20 years. So, go Cardinals!"


Fans are big business


Psychologists and marketing gurus collectively scratch their heads trying to figure out what makes fans tick and what makes them stick.

Why do some teams boast endless sellouts while others have half-empty stadiums?

Why do some people remain faithful for life, no matter where they live, while others adopt whatever franchise is geographically nearest?
There is a reason for so much interest: money.

Professional-sports franchises spend big bucks figuring out how to attract fans and bring in more cash to ticket windows and concession stands.

The market is huge. In national surveys, two out of three Americans claim to be NFL fans. The Super Bowl magnifies the stakes because it is, uh, the Super Bowl of television advertising.Academic researchers treat spectators almost as lab rats. They write reports on "Fan Affiliation and Tribal Behavior" or "The Role of Cognitive Development and Socialization in the Initial Development of Team Loyalty."

One oft-quoted study by Arizona State University psychology Professor Robert Cialdini began when he noticed that students on campus were more likely to wear http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2009/01/30/20090130superfans0130-CP.html#Sun Devils jerseys the Monday after a victory.

Cialdini coined the term "BIRGing" - basking in reflective glory - to describe fans who say "we" won after a victory. After defeat, those same people engage in "CORFing" - cutting off reflected failure - and complain that "they" lost.

Other research breaks down the fan experience based on eight factors: self-esteem, escape, entertainment, economic interest, aesthetics, group affiliation, family and excitement.

Even sex plays a role. A study at Indiana University found that die-hard fans feel sexier after their team wins. Researchers at the University of Georgia found a correlation between victory and increased testosterone levels.

The experts go on and on, sometimes arguing like Monday-morning quarterbacks.

How did the http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2009/01/30/20090130superfans0130-CP.html#Dallas Cowboys become "America's Team" while the Cardinals were not even Arizona's team until last month?

Why do the Steelers have fan clubs all over America, while the Cardinals don't even have a fan club in the Valley?


Loyalty tied to emotion


Robert Passikoff, a psychologist and founder of Brand Keys Inc., a consulting company in New York, said the search for logical explanations may fall short. "Loyalty to anything - I don't care if it's a team, a car or a cola - is more emotional than rational."

Nevertheless, Passikoff developed a fan index based on four factors that he says are the keys to dedicated sports spectators: excitement, team integrity, bonding with players and tradition.

Passikoff ranks Steelers fans sixth in loyalty among 32 http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2009/01/30/20090130superfans0130-CP.html#NFL teams; the Cardinals are No. 18. However, he said, those ratings are likely to change because franchises that make it to championship games typically get a 10 percentage point bump in fan allegiance the next year."Certainly, there's an aspect of 'everybody wants to be associated with a winner,' " he said.
Dan Wann, a psychology professor at Murray State University in Kentucky, said what's difficult to fathom is why some fans, such as the Cardinals' or Chicago Cubs', remain loyal through years of their team's misery. There is no correlation with divorce rates, political views or personality traits, he said. "We keep looking. So far, nothing."


Fans welcomed back

Jim Skane of Sun City, who hasn't missed a home Cardinals game since 1992, is one of the hardy few. For years, he managed arizonasportsfans.com for fans trying to escape negative news coverage of the team. The Web site now has new operators.

Skane recalls the Cardinals fan base dropping to about 22,000, but he didn't blame those who defected. "That was during the really dark years, and there were many. The team was terrible."

In the same spirit, Skane said he welcomes fair-weather fans back on the bandwagon and thrills at the sight of a stadium oozing Cardinals colors. "No resentments. Come on board."

Dan Piacquadio, a partner at Harold's Corral, is not so magnanimous about Steelers fans who leave the fold. "Sacrilegious," he said. "If you're a die-hard, you don't switch."

At Harold's, the most zealous fans pay $75 a season to reserve a stool at the bar during Pittsburgh games. They can watch Piacquadio slide through a pyramid of shaving cream when the Steelers win. "It's like one big family," he said.

Barrella, the Cardinals hater, cannot comprehend someone turning his or her back on the family. He was dumbfounded to meet someone during the playoffs who rooted for the Cardinals while wearing a Pittsburgh jersey.
"I said, 'What? You're not a true Steelers fan!' And I walked away. He was dumb."

Davis, the longtime Steelers fan and Tempe resident, makes no apologies. Rather than betrayal, he said, changing teams is a mark of loyalty to his adopted home, Arizona. It just took him a while because the local team stunk.

"But, again, who wants to be associated with 'em when they were losing?" Davis said. "Winning changes everything."
 

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Take joy in knowing people like this will never enjoy the win as much as true fans of teams will.
 

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Living in Maryland, 5 hours from Pitt, the black and gold jerseys come out of the woodwork when they are in the SuperBowl. Hard as hell to find any other time, though.
 

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you are either a true fan or not a fan at all. I live in Steelers country, today at work everyone has their Steeler gear on, my wife and both kids (well one is 9 months old) are Steeler fans, and I have not and will not ever root for the Steelers or wear anything related to that football team. I don't care if they win 12 Super Bowls.

The Cowboys are my team and will always be my team no matter what.
 

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parcells316;2610459 said:
you are either a true fan or not a fan at all. I live in Steelers country, today at work everyone has their Steeler gear on, my wife and both kids (well one is 9 months old) are Steeler fans, and I have not and will not ever root for the Steelers or wear anything related to that football team. I don't care if they win 12 Super Bowls.

The Cowboys are my team and will always be my team no matter what.
You are a real man.

Got nothing but respect for this. Everyone knows my mantra of Embrace the Hatred. I have no problem with anyone telling me they hate the Cowboys. Just as long as they always hate them I find that to be cool.

In the 1977 season Dallas started 8-0. Early in that season I was drawing a picture of Tony Dorsett. A kid in my class named Felipe told me to write his last name on the back of the jersey. I asked if he was a Cowboys fan and he said he was. In the Super Bowl he told me the Broncos were going to win the game. I told him I thought he was a Cowboys fan. He said he had never been. Then after the Cowboys won he was talking to me about how great they were. Would it shock you that the next two years he was a Steelers fan?

I hate the bandwagon. I want Dallas to win again, but I do not look forward to the bandwagon coming back.
 

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Perfect example:

I routinely eat breakfast at a Waffle House every Saturday and Sunday morning. My usual server talks about football with me every once in a while since I'm rarely not sporting Cowboys colors or chatting about the Bucs. She's not what I call a football guru...still thought Emmitt was playing for example.

Well I went in last Sunday morning, sat down and waited to be greeted at my usual table by my usual server. Rarely am I at a loss of words, but that morning had me re-learning to use my vocal chords. Wendy, the server, walks up all draped in Steelers gear! To top it off, she has little Steeler logos on her nails! WHAT?? She loves Big Ben, she loves Willie Parker, she loves...blah blah blah blah blah. Two weeks ago, she probably never heard of Willie Parker.

Bandwagoners kill me...they really do. She was the biggest Bucs fan ever during the season, now she's showing off terrible towels to everyone!
 

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I hate Bandwagon Fans, remember the 90's how many people liked the Cowboys?, they have all disappeared expect for us diehards.
 

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I'm on the Cards bandwagon on sunday come monday i won't care about them again, win or lose :cool:
 

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This might sound strange, but this is also how I feel about the pink women's jerseys.

The Cowboys do not play in pink jerseys. If you're a real fan, you wear the team colors. Save your girly pink passion for some other article of clothing.
 

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Hostile;2610449 said:
Tempe insurance agent Mark Davis, born 60 miles west of Pittsburgh, has been a Steelers fan since he was knee-high to a coal miner.

Come Sunday, however, he'll be cheering for the team in red from Arizona.
"This will be the very first time in my 54 years that I'll be rooting against the Steelers," Davis said. "Gotta go for the hometown boys now, the Cardinals. I just switched this week."

I can't wrap my mind around this.

Now I do give him kudos for not rooting for Pittsburgh, but still, he was a fan his entire life and now will cheer against them in the SB? How does that work?
 

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parcells316;2610459 said:
you are either a true fan or not a fan at all. I live in Steelers country, today at work everyone has their Steeler gear on, my wife and both kids (well one is 9 months old) are Steeler fans, and I have not and will not ever root for the Steelers or wear anything related to that football team. I don't care if they win 12 Super Bowls.

The Cowboys are my team and will always be my team no matter what.

Packer Country here. Right in the heart of the City of Green Bay. Though thank God we're America's Team, I'm not anywhere close to being alone! I don't care what day it is, I will see a handful of people sporting our colors, and doing so proudly. You'll seriously be hard pressed to find any other colors being worn beside sea of Green and the handful of Cowboys though.

I remember in Green Bay's mid-90 clamoring to be labeled "America's Team" over us, they would claim "there is 1 Packer fan in every city you go to." Which is more than comical when one accounts for literal swarms of Cowboy fans right in their very own backyard even. Which so much for their theory, making 1 look pretty pathetic compared to our collective.

One more time;
"1 Packer fan in every city equates America's Team"
Laugh people!!

:lmao:
 

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totally agree Hostile, i have a friend that lives in lufkin with me, and about midseason, he thought about leaving cowboys to follow another team due to all of the T O stuff, etc.

i told him, well, you told me you were a die hard fan, i even took you to san antonio to get to watch training camp on 4 vip sideline passes i won. And later i took him with me to the cowboys 49ers game.

He told me at one point, before the game, as a person, you should never boo a person, if your a true fan, he is a christian, but what did he do when T O stepped onto the field, he booed T O.

I glared at him pretty good, didnt appreciate that, like i could have booed good ole wade cupcake phillips when he was introduced and walked onto the field. But that wasnt me. He just loves good ole wade.

Later i found out he had followed 2 other different teams. I believe you should if you choose a team, you stick with them through thick and thin, no matter what. And I have followed the Cowboys since 1966.

Sure, do i get frustrated, hurt, angry, upset when the cowboys play like they do, yes. But I will stick with them. No matter what, at same time, I no longer will put them on a pedestal like i have the last 5 years. The Cowboy players have to prove to me now that they want to win championships, not just stats, money, pro bowl honors, etc.

Like I stated last year, its time to put up or shut up. Just like Jimmy Johnson told the cowboy players in 90s, i hate to lose and so should you. To me, if your worth your salt as a person inside your soul and heart,, you pour everythign you have into your job, give it your all, if you dont, your just cheating yourself and others.

So, to me true fans, stick through thick and thin, and to me,they have the right to be ticked off when the cowboys like romo say, things he said, even roger staubach and troy aikman said you have better care about perception.

I think if you have read all of this Hostile, and my rambling, that some of the dallas cowboy players have never thought how it hurts their fans, and how it affects them the way they play and dont take the game seriously. Like they should!

Maybe if a few dallas cowboy players had to answer to a few die hard fans, why they play like they do, and see the perception that they give to the fans about lack of heart, fire, intensity and sacrifice, then the players would have a different attitude about the way they play.

If you get what I am trying to say Hostile.

Its like a friend of mine told me, he went to see a friend that was blind, in a nursing home, and little old ladies were just crying their hearts out the way they played in the phily game.

So my question to you Hostile, and I wished it could get to Jerry Jones and good ole wade, do the players really realize how they hurt the fans and the perception the way they play sometimes?
 

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I want the cardinals to win, so the steelers dont get the most super bowl wins over the cowboys.

I dont particularly care for the cardinals, but I sure dont like the steelers either.
 

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I will openly admit I became a bandwagon Red Sox fan. This was simply because of the 2004 ALCS. I hate the Yankees with a deep hatred. Coming back from being down 0-3 against their biggest rivals and winning the World Series quite possibly is the greatest series in baseball history.

For that reason alone, I now like the Red Sox. I dont know if I can call myself a "fan" though. I just simply hope they win, unless they're playing the Cubs.
 

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Once Dallas is "out of the picture" (which unfortunately is again the condition), I instantly kick into "who I want to lose" the most in the playoffs.

That's all it is to me at that point. There's no other reason for watching, as I simply cannot bring myself to root for, like, feel good about, or want any other team to win. THAT wiring is not in my head.

For instance, this year...................the only reason I watch the playoffs is watch 'em fall one-by-one. Once the Eagles are again eliminated, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. What I do, starting with the wild-card round, is make my list of who I dislike the most, and start counting backwards toward the SB.

This year, I enjoyed San Diego losing. Got no use for Atlanta either. Miami losing was fun too, as they're major impostors. I would've enjoyed the Giant loss more, but they lost to the Eagles. And again, the farther the Eagles go and ultimately lose,the sweeter it is.

I also can't "get on board" any "feel goody-goody" stories, Kurt Warner or no Kurt Warner, Arizona or no Arizona. THAT'S the buzz this year, and a lot of folks are like "How can you NOT just love this story and adore Warner?"

Sorry, just can't do it. I'm gonna' watch the SB only to enjoy a Steeler loss, if that happens. But I STILL won't give the Cardinals any cred or props if they win. In my life and mind, they will simply be the latest parity team who "didn't want to lose the most", and the season in general was a waste, one to be forgotten.

It's either Dallas or NOTHING as far as I'm concerned...................
 

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I wish I was making this up but I am not. The local country station KIIM 99.5 just had a contest to win some tickets to a local movie theater.

The contest...name 3 current Cardinals players. The first 4 people could not do it.

I kid you not.
 

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Bach;2610551 said:
I can't wrap my mind around this.

Now I do give him kudos for not rooting for Pittsburgh, but still, he was a fan his entire life and now will cheer against them in the SB? How does that work?

It doesn't work like that. There you go looking at a Steeler fan. Say it, there is a Steeler fan.
 

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Bandwagon fans may be annoying but it's good for the game. It creates a new fresh buzz and it generates revenue.:jackpot:



Soon we can extend the cap or do away with it:cunning:
 

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Faerluna;2610549 said:
This might sound strange, but this is also how I feel about the pink women's jerseys.

The Cowboys do not play in pink jerseys. If you're a real fan, you wear the team colors. Save your girly pink passion for some other article of clothing.
Not to mention, their butt ugly..
 
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