Reason to believe in Kyle Kosier (sarcasm)

[DLCassidy]

We're going to look really stupid when Larry Allen makes his 11th Pro Bowl and we are stuck with Kyle Freakin Kosier

Do you watch the games? Just wondering.

 

[superpunk]

Do you watch the games? Just wondering.

You can stop wondering.

It's been established that HH is perfectly capable of judging play without having watched a player.

Stat lines are the ish.

Not sure how that works for Olineman, though....

 

[The30YardSlant]

Do you watch the games? Just wondering.

Are we really going to get into a debate about who the better guard is, LA or Kyle Kosier? The greatest guard to ever live vs a guy the Detroit Lions didnt want.

 

[Alexander]

You can stop wondering.

It's been established that HH is perfectly capable of judging play without having watched a player.

Stat lines are the ish.

Not sure how that works for Olineman, though....

That's a tough one.

When in doubt, then you can use useless Pro Bowl appearances as your measuring stick.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Only a fool would try to judge Newman off that 2004 campaign in which the entire defense was hapless, and had no pass rush. Hall would have looked no better.

If's and but's are great and all, but you cant say Hall would have done no better because you simply dont know. Very weak

 

[The30YardSlant]

That's a tough one.

When in doubt, then you can use useless Pro Bowl appearances as your measuring stick.

Or the fact that LA, on his worst day, never got bulldozed by a LB

LA is the better lineman, there is no debating that. Kosier may turn out to be good, but no one can honestly argue that he is better than Allen.

 

[Hoov]

We're going to look really stupid when Larry Allen makes his 11th Pro Bowl and we are stuck with Kyle Freakin Kosier

just saw this post, and now i feel even better about us signing kosier and letting LA go.

 

[ravidubey]

Newman was coming off a terrible, awful, God foresaken season in which he was burned right and left. Hall was the clear cut better player going into last season. Newman improved and reached Hall's level, but DeAngelo has been more consistant over their young careers.

Newman has done more with less his entire career. He's never had a single pass rusher on his team of the calibre of a Patrick Kearney yet he lankets his guy week after week.

The guy also is a fumble hound-- what sealed this impression for me was that play vs. Denver when Roy Knocked a ball loose inside the 10 yard line and it looked like it was headed out of bounds for sure but Newman came out of nowhere and dove on it to create a turnover.

He doesn't have the splashy personality or a super-cool name like "Champ" or "DeAngelo" but he was the best cover guy playing in 2005.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Newman has done more with less his entire career. He's never had a single pass rusher on his team of the calibre of a Patrick Kearney yet he lankets his guy week after week.

The guy also is a fumble hound-- what sealed this impression for me was that play vs. Denver when Roy Knocked a ball loose inside the 10 yard line and it looked like it was headed out of bounds for sure but Newman came out of nowhere and dove on it to create a turnover.

He doesn't have the splashy personality or a super-cool name like "Champ" or "DeAngelo" but he was the best cover guy playing in 2005.

He's very good, but Jesus Christ people......

 

[Alexander]

Or the fact that LA, on his worst day, never got bulldozed by a LB

No, Allen would never make contact with those LBers to get bulldozed. And as for getting his lunch served to him like Kosier did in the clip, Warren Sapp did a fine job of consistently doing that each and every meeting the two have had over the past three years. But thanks for taking one play and drawing conclusions.

LA is the better lineman, there is no debating that. Kosier may turn out to be good, but no one can honestly argue that he is better than Allen.

Who is saying Allen is worse? The general consensus is that Kosier is a better fit. Nobody is saying he is "better".

 

[superpunk]

If's and but's are great and all, but you cant say Hall would have done no better because you simply dont know. Very weak

You're right.

In 2004, Hall plays behind the league's leading front seven in sacks. He looks good. 2005 - the Falcons are middle of the pack, he looks decent - not special.

2003, and 2005 - Newman plays behind a mid-range front seven. Mid-range pressure. He looks phenomenal. 2004, the pass rush blows, and he looks sub-par.

Maybe we need to call a rocket surgeon.

 

[ravidubey]

Or the fact that LA, on his worst day, never got bulldozed by a LB

LA is the better lineman, there is no debating that. Kosier may turn out to be good, but no one can honestly argue that he is better than Allen.

Of course no one sane is comparing the Larry Allen of the past to Kyle Kosier!

Even the LA of 2005 to was probably better than the Kosier of 2005. But I believe Kosier is getting better while Allen's playing days are seriously winding down. Kosier will never become as good as Larry Allen was at his best, but Kosier is best for the Cowboys right now. Personnel decisions like this are what will bring Dallas back to the top of the NFL and are a major reason why I'm more excited about this team now than I've been in 10 years.

 

[superpunk]

just saw this post, and now i feel even better about us signing kosier and letting LA go.

You and me both's.!

 

[Alexander]

just saw this post, and now i feel even better about us signing kosier and letting LA go.

:laugh1:

 

[superpunk]

Dude...this one time....Larry Allen got knocked off his feet by a single Reggie White paw.

No HOF for you!

 

[ravidubey]

He's very good, but Jesus Christ people......

No one in the NFL covered like Newman did. Steve Smith (and Terrell Owens) ate DeAngelo Hall's lunch. Newman shut Smith down and had him so pissed off he got himself ejected.

Fans might buy DeAngelo Halls' jersey, but Newman gets it done on the field.

 

[The30YardSlant]

You're right.

In 2004, Hall plays behind the league's leading front seven in sacks. He looks good. 2005 - the Falcons are middle of the pack, he looks decent - not special.

2003, and 2005 - Newman plays behind a mid-range front seven. Mid-range pressure. He looks phenomenal. 2004, the pass rush blows, and he looks sub-par.

Maybe we need to call a rocket surgeon.

Again, speculating is fun, but means absolutely nothing. And who is feeding all of you with this BS about Newman being "phenomenal" and "the best cover man in football" in 2005? He was good, very much improved, but he was far from "phenomenal". Hardly any DBs are great anymore because of the officials. And Newman is still not on the level of Bailey, McCalister, Barber, etc. He may get there, even this year, but basing his greatness on last seaosn is not only silly, but simply false.

 

[RCowboyFan]

just saw this post, and now i feel even better about us signing kosier and letting LA go.

:laugh1: Yeah, me too

 

[superpunk]

Again, speculating is fun, but means absolutely nothing. And who is feeding all of you with this BS about Newman being "phenomenal" and "the best cover man in football" in 2005? He was good, very much improved, but he was far from "phenomenal".

It's called watching the games.

I love it, AND recommend it. Give it a shot.

Who knows what sort of things you might come up with....

 

[The30YardSlant]

Of course no one sane is comparing the Larry Allen of the past to Kyle Kosier!

Even the LA of 2005 to was probably better than the Kosier of 2005. But I believe Kosier is getting better while Allen's playing days are seriously winding down. Kosier will never become as good as Larry Allen was at his best, but Kosier is best for the Cowboys right now. Personnel decisions like this are what will bring Dallas back to the top of the NFL and are a major reason why I'm more excited about this team now than I've been in 10 years.

LA will die a better guard than Kyle Kosier will ever be. Just like Jerry Rice will be better than Quincy Morgan when he's age 80 with Parkinsons. Kosier, if he improves, will be better for the price we are paying, but by no means is he or will he ever be LA, at ANY stage of their careers.