RECAP: Mickey's Ranch Report on Dunham and Miller

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theebs;2633767 said:
Tank replaced ferguson. Ferguson and glover were the defensive leaders. They were the guys everyone leaned on. Ferguson was loved in the locker room. He was simply sent off for no reason.
Ratliff replaced Ferguson. Or at least he made him expendable. I'll take Ratliff over Ferguson any day.

The spencer trade has nothing to do with gaining the extra 1. We traded back up into the 1st round to get him and used 3 picks in the process. He has not lived up to a 1st round player yet, let alone a guy we used 3 picks to get back into the first round to take.

He looks an awful lot like hatcher. Lots of talent and ability but for some reason we dont see it on sundays.
The Spencer trade had everything to do with getting the 1st round pick. Those events are all linked. They wanted Spencer and were content in using it on him, which led Cleveland to upping the offer last minute.

Scandrick was drafted via a trade up in the fifth round. The trade consisted of us sending jacksonville our 5 and 7. those were from the trade with oakland, then the trade with cleveland. We also got a 3 for this year from cleveland. SO essentially the ayodele and fasano trade netted us, choice, scandrick and clevelands 3 this year. That is good work. But we now have an inside linebacker issue and fasano and bennett I believe in the end will be a wash. So hopefully we find a linebacker or a lineman with that 3 this year.
Sounds like you agree Jerry's dealing was a net positive to me.

The jason ferguson 6th round pick was used on Erik Walden. We got nothing from giving away ferguson.
That's true, but we weren't going to get anything from having him on the roster either. He wasn't getting much playing time away from Ratliff. At that point, he might even have become a locker room discontent with his reduced role.

Spencer was acquired by trading up to phillys spot in the 1st round. To get there we gave up the 2 from cleveland from the 1st round trade that netted us jones in 08, a third and a fifth.

So spencer cost us a 2, 3 and 5. The eagles used those picks on Kevin Kolb, Stewart bradley and cj gaddis.

So for the 3 picks, we got spencer and helped strengthen the eagles.
When making the decision in 2007, I'd take Spencer of those 3 guys any day (even though I was very high on Bradley). If you want to judge every decision in hindsight, so be it. But I still think it was a smart decision at the time. It's still too early to call Spencer a bust. He's getting to that point too, but I still think he's better than Ellis and want him seeing every single down.
 

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ZeroClub;2633783 said:
With every passing day it becomes even more so.

Really, if Jerry was not considering cutting Owens, Jerry would have quashed the speculation weeks ago.
The only things Jerry's talked about in a while are (1) Dan Reeves and (2) cutting Adam Jones.

He announced cutting Adam Jones long before it happened, so if anything, his silence points to it not happening.
 

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I am listening to norm talk about this right now.

The callers all have a certain thing in common.

and let me say, this city and this team has a racial issue.

Romo might never get back fans in this market because of what has transpired.

everyday the stations are like this.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2633755 said:
That would be the best scenario. But it's been tried before, and it's failed every time.

So you would take a chance on the one or maybe 10 percent chance that it would actually work?

Because when it didn't, you'd have to cut him during the year, which would be a worse distraction than if it happened now. And you'd have forgone all the practice time and experience a Miles Austin could have had.

It would be a lot like Pacman. We counted on him, and then he (predictably) failed. So then we had to play a Jenkins and Scandrick who could have been gaining valuable experience, but missed out on it because Pacman was our guy.

I would take the chance rather than releasing this team's top offensive threat.

I just think to where this team was before they picked up someone else's problem child.

They failed consistantly to develop a dependable receiver and were forced to take another team's problem.

They did it with Glenn, they did it with Keyshawn, and they did it with Owens. All because they couldn't grow a decent receiver in house.

I weigh out what Owens has actually factually done and I weight that against what the passing offense would be without him.

And I think the positives he brings still outweigh the negatives.

I believe that the true problems stem from the fact that no one in the organization has strong enough character to deal with Owens' strong personality and the challenges that he brings.

The team knew what type of guy they were getting when they first signed him. And they knew what type of guy they had when they re-signed him.

And I don't subscribe to the belief that having Owens around would stifle a guy like Austin - if the team is even smart enough to do what they need to do to keep him around.

Austin would still be getting plenty of reps to get himself ready to play. I felt he was developing nicely before injuries set him back.

I'm just not ready to go with a receiving corps of Roy Williams, Crayton, and Austin based on what I saw last season, especially when weighed against a lot of assumptions and rumors about what Owens might have done.
 

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Hostile;2633796 said:
Exactly. It is the single most defining aspect of this mock opera.

Well said, Hos. I agree. And to those who think Jones will keep Owens because he is a "favorite" of the owner: Good grief, Jones let Emmitt Smith and Troy Aikman go, when he decided it was the right thing to do. Surely he liked them at least as well as he likes Owens...
 

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theebs;2633806 said:
I am listening to norm talk about this right now.

The callers all have a certain thing in common.

and let me say, this city and this team has a racial issue.

Romo might never get back fans in this market because of what has transpired.

everyday the stations are like this.

Yeah, but in fairness theebs, this is nothing new. I know what you're talking about as far as callers go, and the same thing happened with Quincy Carter. We survived that and we'll survive this.
 

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burmafrd;2633781 said:
If he truly is declining then releasing him jumps up the ladder with me. BUT I am not convinced its happening yet.

Neither am I.

A steady decline in production might point to that, but that did not happen over the course of the season.

Of the many issues the offense had, Terrell Owens' productivity would be pretty low on my list.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2633823 said:
Yeah, but in fairness theebs, this is nothing new. I know what you're talking about as far as callers go, and the same thing happened with Quincy Carter. We survived that and we'll survive this.

this is different though. Carter was a ****** who chose drugs over everything else.

This situation is getting absurd. People are so passionate about the guy being the only player we have that I believe that group of people will do nothing but attack romo and wait for him to fail and blame it on him not being here.

There is venom in peoples voices when they call the stations and talk about romo and how he sucks and the other guy being the reason he looks any good.

This is going to hurt romo in the long run. He will have to win a superbowl to shut these people up.

the guy who called and told norm how romo cant convert third downs and how he cant make things happen when plays break down and how he is not special is the poster boy of what has happened to the fans around here since that guy showed up.
 

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iRoot4Losers;2633744 said:
it was a dumb business decision in the 1st place to extend him

At least he's putting up numbers unlike so people who got a lot of money and aren't producing where they should be at.

I don't care if we lose Austin.
 

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theebs;2633636 said:
Trade two starters for nothing in fasano and akin.


You call Tashard Choice and Scandrick, two rookies who contributed quite alot last season, " nothing " ?
 

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Randy White;2633844 said:
You call Tashard Choice and Scandrick, two rookies who contributed quite alot last season, " nothing " ?


no that was meant for ferguson.

I went back and clarified that and showed that not only did we get those two but we got clevelands 3 this year from that.
 

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Hostile;2633774 said:
Jerry's silence is pretty deafening. JMO

Don't know if you keep up with Cowboy news or not but Jerry already said TO was staying.
 

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Alexander;2633679 said:
We have gaping holes at ILB, DE and along the offensive line in terms of depth. We simply can't afford to spend picks or money at wide receiver right now.

Now we just traded two premium choices for Roy Williams yet his lack of production is having an impact on this decision?

It is a mess. The easiest solution is to keep him. I realize that the disruptions are an issue. I just do not see how we simply plug Crayton and/or Austin in there and match the production. I also am far from confident Roy Williams will be able to command the kind of attention Owens did in 2007.

This is just a nasty mess.
I'm for cutting him but agree wholeheartedly that this is a mess and we're almost certainly not going to replace his production. It's just not going to happen.
 

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theebs;2633767 said:
Scandrick was drafted via a trade up in the fifth round. The trade consisted of us sending jacksonville our 5 and 7. those were from the trade with oakland, then the trade with cleveland. We also got a 3 for this year from cleveland. SO essentially the ayodele and fasano trade netted us, choice, scandrick and clevelands 3 this year. That is good work. .


Good work ? That's OUTSTANDING work. I wish we could pull something similar to that EVERY year.
 

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Randy White;2633867 said:
Good work ? That's OUTSTANDING work. I wish we could pull something similar to that EVERY year.


Its too early to tell if it is outstanding.

I hope we turn that 3 into a player that can get on the field as much as scandrick.

Scandrick really is talented.

But you have to look at the flip side of it too, we now have a linebacker issue and fasano and bennett are just a wash. There stats will always be similar I think and fasano to me was a better special teams player and he was a quiet locker room guy.

Hey I will give credit also, they got alan ball who I think has a chance to be a good player here from the scott shanle trade.
 

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fanfromvirginia;2633862 said:
I'm for cutting him but agree wholeheartedly that this is a mess and we're almost certainly not going to replace his production. It's just not going to happen.

Yep. That's the real shame. All of us can discuss this thing until we are blue in the face... neither side is likely to "win." I know I won't gloat if Owens is released. I'll be too worried about what happens at wideout.
 

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theebs;2633849 said:
no that was meant for ferguson.

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Yea, but even with him you missed on one important point: cap relief.

Ferguson was scheduled to make, I believe, 6 million dollars from his base salary, and that, more than anything else, was the reason for the trade. No way the Cowboys were going to spend 6 million dollars on a part time NG.

Now, I'm not going to tell you what I think that cap relief was used for * cough *cough ( T.O.'s extension ) * cough * cough, but it still made sense at the time.
 

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5Countem5;2633855 said:
Don't know if you keep up with Cowboy news or not but Jerry already said TO was staying.

he also said that PacMan wasn't going to be suspended

that he would finish out his contract
 

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shaketiller;2633883 said:
Yep. That's the real shame. All of us can discuss this thing until we are blue in the face... neither side is likely to "win." I know I won't gloat if Owens is released. I'll be too worried about what happens at wideout.

Nothing to gloat about. He's staying and why should we gloat about something that had no chance of going differently. Just because the media and message board posters create an issue, doesn't make it real.
 

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Apollo Creed;2633665 said:
Roy Williams had 189 yards in 10 games.

Are we really prepared for him to be our number 1 receiver? Aikman called him out every single game he covered. Poor route running, rumors of being a lazy player, not very intelligent, etc.

And he's being paid like hes the best WR in football, when he's the 3rd or 4th best receiving option on this team right now. Behind Owens, Witten, and possibly Austin.


Do you copy and paste this into every TO thread? Seems I've read it somewhere before...........



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