Recent Court Rulings on NCAA and Paying Athletes

[Reid1boys]

No more free labor for the colleges

soon there will be very few NCAA sports. The student/athlete is the one that will lose out. I can promise you, those that play Golf, Tennis, Swim, and on and on and on, have never thought of themselves as free labor.

 

[john van brocklin]

soon there will be very few NCAA sports. The student/athlete is the one that will lose out. I can promise you, those that play Golf, Tennis, Swim, and on and on and on, have never thought of themselves as free labor.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts

 

[Reid1boys]

I made a few posts on this in another thread. None of this is good. College Amateur Athletics are dead. Just a matter of time now. These kids, they will not be making the NFL or NBA or MLB team, etc. Only a small number of young Athletes are capable so you are going to have a lot of young people who's careers end in HS. There will not be a pathway for education because basically, higher learning will not continue to support athletics. I see the top programs being able to support College Football and Basketball but other then that, not a lot. All minor sports, all womens sports, all sports that don't turn a significant profit are done and even those that do, they will eventually die. What will happen is that College Athletics will have to compete directly with Pro Leagues and they won't win that fight. Academia never really wanted sports in education anyway. They will see this as a perfect excuse to kill it. The financial reasons will no longer be valid and the money it will cost to compete with Pro Sports will not be insignificant so even the major money making sports will eventually die. No more March Madness, no more College Football on Saturdays.

Something like the USFL, if they are content to make significantly less money, might be able to become a sort of minor league developmental league but there again, you are talking about a small fraction of players, in comparison to Division 1 and Division 2 Sports and no education available. In the end, one of the very few avenues to escape poor, situations for a lot of youth is going to disappear. I see this as a lose - lose situation for pretty much everybody involved.

These young people have pretty much forced a situation where they've kinda screwed themselves IMO. I guess we'll see how it plays out.......

agree with you.... what % of ncaa athletes can make ANY MONEY IF NOT A PRO? Very few, and all those non revenue generating sports are gonna get the boot. If you are a college President, nothing would be finer for sports to be gone. Do you know the headaches now created by sports? These new players whine and cry and whine nd cry. The school doesnt need the BS.

https://kmph.com/sports/local-sport...player Kaitlyn,player argued an umpire's call.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If it can be done in college, then it can be done in high school, too. This is going to reach down into 9th and 10th grade for the blue chippers.

Already, there are two twins girls at Fresno State that are each set to make more money than their coach.

Schools in big markets like SMU, Cincinnati, and UCLA will rise because of this. Meanwhile, schools in small-market states like OU and even Alabama will begin to fall back over time because their fan base is relatively isolated in small areas and boosters won't want to keep up with what marketing companies in the big cities will pay. Schools like USC or Washington, or widely followed schools like Notre Dame, could have multiple players making hundreds of thousands a year, whereas a few kids at Oklahoma State will make a few thousand. Bye-bye, Boise. See ya later, Baylor. Never mind, Nebraska, Iowa State, Kansas State, and Gonzaga.

A lot of marketing companies will focus on kids with huge Instagram and Snapchat accounts. The girls will benefit from that angle because they typically have a lot more followers. Especially the pretty ones.

Players will choose to stay in college longer because of this perhaps. But it will definitely create a few haves and truckloads of have-nots.

The entire landscape of power will change quickly in the next 4-5 years.

I agree that the landscape is about to change but I don't think it will in the way you describe. In order for sports to survive in the NCAA, everybody needs to get paid. That pretty much kills profitability. If there are no profits, there will not be any interest in continuing with Collegiate sports. Higher Education has never really been in love with College Athletics, they only put up with it because of the revenue streams. But if those go away, I've a feeling Athletic Programs will as well.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

agree with you.... what % of ncaa athletes can make ANY MONEY IF NOT A PRO? Very few, and all those non revenue generating sports are gonna get the boot. If you are a college President, nothing would be finer for sports to be gone. Do you know the headaches now created by sports? These new players whine and cry and whine nd cry. The school doesnt need the BS.

https://kmph.com/sports/local-sports/fresno-state-athlete-speaks-out-after-coach-quits#:~:text=Fresno State softball player Kaitlyn,player argued an umpire's call.

Yeah, it's not a good deal for them in the long run, I suspect. Guess we'll see..

 

[uvaballa]

Looks like Miami players will be making some extra cash this year.

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...-miami-hurricanes-football-player-scholarship

 

[erod]

I agree that the landscape is about to change but I don't think it will in the way you describe. In order for sports to survive in the NCAA, everybody needs to get paid. That pretty much kills profitability. If there are no profits, there will not be any interest in continuing with Collegiate sports. Higher Education has never really been in love with College Athletics, they only put up with it because of the revenue streams. But if those go away, I've a feeling Athletic Programs will as well.

I see issues, too, but not on this way.

The schools won't be the ones paying, so it shouldn't affect their profitability. In fact, without athletics, Alabama isn't much different than Troy State.

The issue will be the athletes that don't make anything versus the quarterback who's making six or seven figures. Or those 18-year-olds that will make significantly more than their position coaches do.

So in the end, this will change college sports into something else entirely.

 

[erod]

OU quarterback Spencer Rattler just signed with Raisin' Canes chicken.

I'd bet he makes more than any position coach on the staff now.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I see issues, too, but not on this way.

The schools won't be the ones paying, so it shouldn't affect their profitability. In fact, without athletics, Alabama isn't much different than Troy State.

The issue will be the athletes that don't make anything versus the quarterback who's making six or seven figures. Or those 18-year-olds that will make significantly more than their position coaches do.

So in the end, this will change college sports into something else entirely.

That's actually not true erod. The schools could very well be paying but the real issue here is not who's paying. It's profitability. Regardless of who's paying, the profits are going to decrease because payments are going to come out of the bottom line.

In the end, like everything else, unions and litigation will enter the mix and basically force costs to escalate. Universities will get out of this business IMO and then it will just be a bunch of kids going pro way to early with no education behind them IMO.

College Sports will become a thing of the past, as I see it.

 

[erod]

Arch Manning is expected to make about $10 million per year in college.

Wow.

 

[erod]

That's actually not true erod. The schools could very well be paying but the real issue here is not who's paying. It's profitability. Regardless of who's paying, the profits are going to decrease because payments are going to come out of the bottom line.

In the end, like everything else, unions and litigation will enter the mix and basically force costs to escalate. Universities will get out of this business IMO and then it will just be a bunch of kids going pro way to early with no education behind them IMO.

College Sports will become a thing of the past, as I see it.

I don't see how OU's profitability changes because Raising Canes pays Spencer Rattler an endorsement.

However, there will be haves and have nots, and that will create all new issues to litigate over time.

I do agree college sports will end fairly soon.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't see how OU's profitability changes because Raising Canes pays Spencer Rattler an endorsement.

However, there will be haves and have nots, and that will create all new issues to litigate over time.

I do agree college sports will end fairly soon.

Because it won't stop there. It will progress and as it does, it will cost more and more to pay to play. This will not be College Football any longer. It will become Pro Football and when that transition happens, it's going to cost big money to pay these guys to play. To pay Coaches to Coach. Because you will basically only see 15 to 20 teams who will continue to play ball, you will see a premium for players and College athletics will end up going head to head with Pro Athletics for players. The Pros will end up signing guys early in order to lock them up and it will become a bidding war. That will be the actual downfall of College Athletics. Nobody wins against the NFL. College Hoops will not win against the NBA either. Baseball is insulated from all of this because they already have a farm system in place that is designed to develop young kids. They may actually end up coming out of this as the strongest Pro Sport out there, because of that. But College Baseball, it's not a money generating sport so it probably dies off as well, in favor of Minor League Baseball so they will meet the same fate either way.

Colleges are not going to spend the kind of money it takes to try and compete in this area and why would they? It's stupid to do so. No, once agents get their hands on these kids, they are going to soak it for all it's worth and Colleges are not going to be up for that. They are going to walk away and just maximize their profits on education, which they are making a killing on. They already charge ridiculous amounts of money to teach kids nothing of value. They are just going to continue to do that and will walk away from Football and Basketball, which are really the only two revenue driving sports in College Athletics.

That's how this will happen IMO.

 

[uvaballa]

Arch Manning is expected to make about $10 million per year in college.

Wow.

I don't believe that.

 

[csirl]

Where sports turn pro you will develop a haves and have not scenario relatively quickly - and end up with a small number of teams who get much better with most other teams falling away and ending up in a worse situation.

I live in Ireland. We have 2 recent examples of what happens when paying athletes is introduced to amateur sport.

1. Rugby.

Up to the late 1990s rugby was strictly amateur. There were c.20 rugby teams playing at the top level - most attracting paying spectators and all with their own local stars.

Now there are 4 x large pro teams where the players earn loads and are big stars. Nobody cares about about the clubs who used to play at the top level in the 90s - crowds are mainly friends/families of athletes and they are a shadow of what they used to be.

2. GAA (Gaelic Football).

Similar dynamic to college football - amateur sport with a large local community following - crowds of up to 80k for big games.

They did exactly what is happening in the NCAA. Players are still amateur, but are allowed to earn from sponsorship, image rights, endorsements.

A small number of teams, mainly in urban areas dominate - with Dublin, who are based in a large city, becoming completely dominant and winning every year.

Dublin players are essentially full time pro athletes. They train as pros and the team has a setup similar to any major sport pro team. Players are big stars - similar profile and earning potential to e.g. Cowboys players in Dallas. Some who are dual athletes who could play as pros in another sport or play Aussie Rules, decide to stay as 'amateur' GAA athletes long term.

Other teams where the players dont have enough earning power - where players have day jobs etc. Cannot compete. Many players "retire' from these teams early because the motivation to play is gone - no chance of competing with full time athletes. The competive balance of the sport is now a big issue - with a small number of teams dominating.

 

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[TwoCentPlain]

Even the draft can be profoundly affected. Say an NFL team drafts a player in the third round. The player then decides he doesn’t like that team or the college offers him more to stay. Player decides to play another year in college and try the draft the following year. The NFL team just drafted someone and got nothing.

One could make the rule that after declaring for the draft, one can’t play college football any more. But, I doubt that would hold up in court since they are all professionals now and the two leagues are actually competing leagues.

The NCAA as a rule-making body has no power any more. No one has to follow their rules. The NCAA has no teeth as an organization any longer.

 

[JD_KaPow]

The NCAA as a rule-making body has no power any more. No one has to follow their rules. The NCAA has no teeth as an organization any longer.

And that is an unadulterated good thing.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

And that is an unadulterated good thing.

I am with you in rejoicing at the evil NCAA going into oblivion. It is going to be a free-for-all. Anything goes. It could get real wild.

Should be fun. It was only a matter of time.

 

[Reid1boys]

I am with you in rejoicing at the evil NCAA going into oblivion. It is going to be a free-for-all. Anything goes. It could get real wild.

Should be fun. It was only a matter of time.

ask the hundreds of thousands that play NCAA sports if they are going to be happy to watch their sports disappear.

 

[Hoofbite]

I doubt this has the impact that some think it will. If the expense is too high for universities, guess who pays the difference. Merch and ticket sales will cover the difference. Also, $6K/athlete isn't going to bankrupt anyone. Boosters will pony up more money and tuition rates will increase. Make no mistake, Universities aren't going to take any less money than they have to. The costs will be absorbed by everyone else.