Red Grange and early football (a report)

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Im doing a speech on red grange and early football for us history, i know i could go on wikipedia etc. But i figured many of you take a special interest to this and would know a specific site, or have personal knowledge on this topic.

Like i said i have to talk about

Red Grange
Football in the 1920's and 30's
and african american players at this time.

thank you
 

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locked&loaded;1880029 said:
Im doing a speech on red grange and early football for us history, i know i could go on wikipedia etc. But i figured many of you take a special interest to this and would know a specific site, or have personal knowledge on this topic.

Like i said i have to talk about

Red Grange
Football in the 1920's and 30's
and african american players at this time.

thank you

Ask CBZ :D
 

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locked&loaded;1880029 said:
Im doing a speech on red grange and early football for us history, i know i could go on wikipedia etc. But i figured many of you take a special interest to this and would know a specific site, or have personal knowledge on this topic.

Like i said i have to talk about

Red Grange
Football in the 1920's and 30's
and african american players at this time.

thank you


Dawg, don't you get it, anybody who watched him play is dead.:bang2:
 

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The only thing i know about Red Grange is that he played football at Illinois and is the only player to be a charter member of the Pro Football and College Football Halls of Fame.

He played Halfback for the Bears and wore #77.

His nickname was "The Galloping Ghost." That was supposedly from a poem written about him after he put up 363 yards of offense for Illinois. I don't know who the opponent was. Grange scored 5 times.

A streak of fire, a breath of flame
Eluding all who reach and clutch;
A gray ghost thrown into the game
That rival hands may never touch;
A rubber bounding, blasting soul
Whose destination is the goal
Red Grange of Illinois!

I don't think a movie has ever been done on his life, but I don't honestly know.
 

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You can talk about how in the 1920s, there were some teams with 11 home games, and there were also some teams that played 4 games total.

It wasn't as "equal" as it is today. The NFL has evolved a LOT since 1920 IMO.

Also, in teh 1920s, there were a ton of 0-0 ties. You don't see 0-0 ties anymore in today's league.

Some stuff about Red Grange:

To help the family earn money he worked a part time job as an ice toter for $37.50 per week, a job which helped him build his core strength (and is the source of the sometimes used nickname "Ice Man", or "the Ice Man from Wheaton"). (His parents farmed and worked at lumber camps)

Grantland Rice was the writer of the poem mentioned by Hos, and Chicago sportswriter warren brown named him teh "galloping ghost".

I also think it's significant that in the early times, the NFL wasn't popular compared to college football. Players like Red Grange helped put fans in the seats and helped the NFL survive through the early years, eventually helping the NFL to become the dominant sports league it is today.
 

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Grantland Rice, that was the guy's name. Thanks. I did not know someone else made gray ghost the galloping ghost.
 

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Grantland Rice, that was the guy's name. Thanks. I did not know someone else made gray ghost the galloping ghost.

The history of the NFL is pretty interesting.

I did a statistics project on home winning percentage and it was very interesting.
 

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They did a piece on him before or at half of the Illinois game the other day I believe. You might want to try and download that game.
 

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DragonCowboy;1883777 said:
The history of the NFL is pretty interesting.

I did a statistics project on home winning percentage and it was very interesting.

anything up the african american players at that time?
 

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locked&loaded;1883877 said:
anything up the african american players at that time?
Look up Fritz Pollard, first African-American coach (He was also a player) for the Akron Pros.
 

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locked&loaded;1883877 said:
anything up the african american players at that time?

Wikipedia is your friend :)

At its inception in 1920, the American Professional Football Association had several African-American players (a total of thirteen between 1920 and 1933). Fritz Pollard and Bobby Marshall were the first black players in what is now the NFL in 1920. Pollard became the first black coach in 1921. However, by 1932 the subsequent National Football League had only two black players, and by 1934 there were none. This disappearance of black players from the NFL effectively coincided with the entry of one of the leading owners of the league, George Preston Marshall. Marshall openly refused to have black athletes on his Boston Braves/Washington Commanders team, and reportedly pressured the rest of the league to follow suit. The NFL did not have another black player until after World War II.

In the NFL, when the Cleveland Rams wanted to move to Los Angeles, it was stipulated in their contract with the Los Angeles Coliseum that they had to integrate their team, so they signed two UCLA teammates, Woody Strode and Kenny Washington, who were playing semi-pro ball in the area in 1946. Still, Marshall was quoted as saying "We'll start signing Negroes when the Harlem Globetrotters start signing whites." In spite of this open bias, Marshall was elected to the NFL's Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1963. As part of his "qualifications"' for enshrinement, the hall says: "Marshall was totally involved in all aspects of his team's operation and endured his share of criticism for not integrating his team until being forced to do so in 1962." The Commanders had no black players until they succumbed to the threat of civil-rights legal action by the Kennedy administration. The Commanders eventually came through though signing Bobby Mitchell and two other African American players by 1962.

Even when the NFL did sign black players, poor treatment was evident. Reportedly, black players routinely received lower contracts than whites in the NFL, while in the American Football League there was no such distinction based on race[1]. Position segregation was also prevalent at this time. According to several books such as the autobiography of Vince Lombardi, black players were stacked at "speed" positions such as Defensive Back but excluded from "intelligent" positions such as Quarterback and Center.


^^ some good info.
 

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locked&loaded;1883877 said:
anything up the african american players at that time?

Look up Fritz Pollard who was recently inducted into the HoF. He was one of the outstanding players in the 20s and was also the first black HC. You can blame Commanders owner, George Preston Marshall for the "unofficial" ban of black players in the early 30s.

If you really want to know about the NFL of the 1920s then do some research on the following players:

Fritz Pollard
George Halas
Guy Chamberlin
Ed Healey
Gus Sonnenberg
Duke Slater
Benny Friedman
Paddy Driscoll
Ernie Nevers
Jim Thorpe
George Trafton
Jimmy Conzelman
Henry "Two-bits" Homan
Dutch Sternaman
Curly Lambeau
Paul Robeson
The Nessers (about 7 guys from this family played in the NFL)

Just do a Google search on each name and see what you come up with.

Here are some links:

http://www.brown.edu/Administration/News_Bureau/2003-04/03-078f.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Pollard

http://www.profootballhof.com/history/release.jsp?release_id=1381

http://www.nfl.com/history/chronology/1921-1930
 

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THUMPER;1883913 said:
Look up Fritz Pollard who was recently inducted into the HoF. He was one of the outstanding players in the 20s and was also the first black HC. You can blame Commanders owner, George Preston Marshall for the "unofficial" ban of black players in the early 30s.

If you really want to know about the NFL of the 1920s then do some research on the following players:

Fritz Pollard
George Halas
Guy Chamberlin
Ed Healey
Gus Sonnenberg
Duke Slater
Benny Friedman
Paddy Driscoll
Ernie Nevers
Jim Thorpe
George Trafton
Jimmy Conzelman
Henry "Two-bits" Homan
Dutch Sternaman
Curly Lambeau
Paul Robeson
The Nessers (about 7 guys from this family played in the NFL)

Just do a Google search on each name and see what you come up with.

Here are some links:

http://www.brown.edu/Administration/News_Bureau/2003-04/03-078f.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Pollard

http://www.profootballhof.com/history/release.jsp?release_id=1381
No Johnny "Blood" McNally?
 

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Thank you everyone, i know i could search google, but that would take forever and i have better thigns to do ;). Plus i thought who would know better than you guys, I knew some took an interest in early football.

again thank you.
 

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locked&loaded;1883925 said:
Thank you everyone, i know i could search google, but that would take forever and i have better thigns to do ;). Plus i thought who would know better than you guys, I knew some took an interest in early football.

again thank you.
I found out I need to research that era a lot more. From 1960 on I have a fair grasp. Prior to 1960 I know a little about the Hall of Famers and the NFL Championships and the basic high points. I memorized that poem about 10 years ago. No reason other than it was about a football player. This off season I'll do some more homework. Here's hoping it takes a while to get to it.
 
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