Red Zone Issues

We keep getting drive killing penalties in the red zone. I bet 90% of the stalled drives are due to penalties. How many TD's we have called back because of them. We had two yesterday.
 
Every little thing matters in a football game. In the 1st half we drive and Dak makes an amazing play to Flournoy in the end zone only to be brought back for holding on Tyler. FG, no TD. All those mistakes lose football games in the end.
 
Chasing6 said:
So you think when Dak getting paid $60M+, CD $32M+ and soon to be Pickens $30M+, we should run the ball with our $3M RB???

I would just be happy if we ran a damn QB sneak on 3rd and 4th and 1.
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Dallas should run nothing but qb sneaks and qb draws the first game of the season. When DP gets hurt then they have a chance.
 
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Cowboys5217 said:
There's a big problem here on both sides of the ball.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/team/dallas-cowboys

On offense the Cowboys Red Zone Scoring % is on 55.93%. Part of this is the choke factor this franchise has had for 30 years. Can't make the playoffs very often, can't win in the playoffs, can't stop 3rd down, and can't convert enough in the RZ because all of these are barometers of handling the pressure of expectations.

We get cute with the calls far too often which is an indictment of Shcotty and his brain dead play calling in the RZ. 99% of the time this team should have been pounding the ball, but instead we had far too many inexplicable, and unnecessary pass attempts. An attempt fails, which makes us panic and call another pass - which is also incomplete - settle for a FG.

On defense the Opponent Red Zone Scoring percentage is 70.69%. Teams can sleep walk into the end zone against the worst defense I've ever seen in Dallas. Unacceptable. Practically no resistance to even crap offenses and crap QBs.

Only real solution is to blow this whole thing up, and start over with a brand new GM who makes all the calls from there, but that ain't going to happen so expect more of this next year and beyond.
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I think part of the problem is the play calling. The other part is inconsistent run blocking. It seems like when defenses think we are going to run, they are able to beat us at the LOS and stuff the runs.

I think the bigger problem is still pass protection. But, yeah, sometimes Schottenheimer's play calling is a little head scratching.

I watch some other teams get down near the goal line and open holes for the RB to basically walk into the end zone for the 6 or 7 yards line and I wonder why can't we do that?
 
Rockport said:
Can’t make this stuff up. Some want to blow it all up including the #1 offense in the NFL.
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The Cowboys are 5th in points per game, not 1st.

Over the last 3 games they are 15th in points per game.

It ain't so much how you start Rocky. It's how you finish.

0 points in the second half yesterday while down 3 to start the half and only 7 when they got the ball.
 
Vtwin said:
The Cowboys are 5th in points per game, not 1st.

Over the last 3 games they are 15th in points per game.

It ain't so much how you start Rocky. It's how you finish.

0 points in the second half yesterday while down 3 to start the half and only 7 when they got the ball.
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This is the danger of simply looking at stats with no context. Anyone looking at the final score would think that it was strictly the fault of the defense with no real understanding of what the offense was not doing.
 
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Vtwin said:
The Cowboys are 5th in points per game, not 1st.

Over the last 3 games they are 15th in points per game.

It ain't so much how you start Rocky. It's how you finish.

0 points in the second half yesterday while down 3 to start the half and only 7 when they got the ball.
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Not saying the offense is bad, but the downward trajectory of this offense should not be ignored just because the overall numbers look good. The league has clearly caught up to what the Cowboys are doing and this is not the score at will offense we saw to start the year putting up 40 on GB. We have gone from elite offense to above average since about week 8.
 
It is rough. On the one hand you gotta continue to pump the Dak stats. On the other hand he now has to read everyone and throw into a crowd. It is a bit of a pickle.
 
I suspect a lot of it is we can't run the ball well enough, or more accurately don't try to.

And I still think a lot of that goes back to Dak. Now calm down Dak fans, I'm not saying he's a horrible QB or anything like that. But it goes back to him having so much control of the offense, which is what Jerry wants. You're never going to see a Harbaugh-type power offense that truly commits to power running because Dak will read things and make checks the way he has for many years.

I also suspect this accounts for the decline in the offense later in the year. At first there are a few wrinkles teams aren't prepared for, especially in the run game this year with Adams. As the year goes on and those are figured out, we revert to more of the same pass offense we've done for years here.
 
Chasing6 said:
So you think when Dak getting paid $60M+, CD $32M+ and soon to be Pickens $30M+, we should run the ball with our $3M RB???

I would just be happy if we ran a damn QB sneak on 3rd and 4th and 1.
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The play selection shouldn't always be predicated based on who's making the most money. If it were, why would Ceedee have 200 less touches than Williams this year? Maybe Ceedee more runs? In the end I just care about scoring, so if you have the ball at the 2 just pound it in with the RB or have Dak QB sneak it. I can understand if you've already been stopped 2-3 times and haven't gotten any closer mixing up the play call with a fake then hit a higher percentage throw, etc.
 
Kingofholland said:
The play selection shouldn't always be predicated based on who's making the most money. If it were, why would Ceedee have 200 less touches than Williams this year? Maybe Ceedee more runs? In the end I just care about scoring, so if you have the ball at the 2 just pound it in with the RB or have Dak QB sneak it. I can understand if you've already been stopped 2-3 times and haven't gotten any closer mixing up the play call with a fake then hit a higher percentage throw, etc.
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So when the game is on the line you think they are not going to go to their best players?
 
Chasing6 said:
So when the game is on the line you think they are not going to go to their best players?
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Of course you want to get your best players involved at critical moments, but its all about situational football and which players optimize success. If its 3rd and 25 you're probably not leaning on your RB even if he's your best offensive player. 1st or 2nd and goal from the 2 you have options, but logic would say run the football. I'm sure the Seahawks wish they did that in the Super Bowl against the Patriots because it probably remains one of the biggest mistakes in Super Bowl history.

The point is just because someone is the highest paid doesn't mean they're always the best option in that specific situation. Technically Dak and Terrance Steele have the highest cap figures this year, you probably wouldn't have Steele as your go to receiver.
 
Kingofholland said:
Of course you want to get your best players involved at critical moments, but its all about situational football and which players optimize success. If its 3rd and 25 you're probably not leaning on your RB even if he's your best offensive player. 1st or 2nd and goal from the 2 you have options, but logic would say run the football. I'm sure the Seahawks wish they did that in the Super Bowl against the Patriots because it probably remains one of the biggest mistakes in Super Bowl history.

The point is just because someone is the highest paid doesn't mean they're always the best option in that specific situation. Technically Dak and Terrance Steele have the highest cap figures this year, you probably wouldn't have Steele as your go to receiver.
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This organization is not based on any kind of logic.
 
phildadon86 said:
The red zone offense under McCarthy last year was trash.

The fact the OC from the same staff was brought in as HC and things were supposed to change is exactly what’s wrong with this team.
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It's because Jerry and Stephen are LAZY. They refuse to work hard and grind. It's a grind to interview 20+ coaching candidates and then make an intelligent decision. They really don't even know WHAT to look for in a head coach. It's WAY easier to just hire the next guy down the hall and keep things the way they are. That's Jerry's version of "continuity".
 
Bagman said:
It's because Jerry and Stephen are LAZY. They refuse to work hard and grind. It's a grind to interview 20+ coaching candidates and then make an intelligent decision. They really don't even know WHAT to look for in a head coach. It's WAY easier to just hire the next guy down the hall and keep things the way they are. That's Jerry's version of "continuity".
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No one wants to Coach in Dallas. Coaches don't make decisions. You are go to get has been or have to gamble on a young inexperienced Coach.
 
I will get caned by certain people for saying this.. and maybe its just my perception.. but something I have noticed a bit this season.

When we get near the red zone.. Dak doesn't seem to throw into the end zone.

I know the field is compressed and its harder.. but Dak seems to go for the check down to get the first down...

Which just makes it harder again unless you run the ball.
 
Kwyn said:
Last year we were much worse. Like 40%

It’s also an odd contrast that we are fourth in the league at points but 19th in red zone offense.

Anyway, there are lots of reason to blow up the front office. Red zone conversion rate is just one stat.

If you find a way to blow up the GM, let me know. We just turnover over the entire coaching staff. I’m not sure replacing them all after one season is going to solve anything
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Aubrey.. kicking from 50 and 60 yards out, while also allowing them to be way more aggressive on third downs..
 
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