Red zone stats are horrendous, way behind last year under Moore

[Creeper]

And yet you guys are all wrong you guys keep posting as if you are agreeing with each other and that there's an issue without looking that it is too small a sample size and we're scoring plenty what do you mean scoring less maybe you mean less big time scoring less chunk plays less quick scoring but look at this differential if you look at Kelly Moore's offense the first three games in our offense the first three games from this year

heres the first 3 games last year

Game 1- 3 total points..Moores juggernaut all off season to get ready.
game 2- 20 points scored Bengal's 2 fgs 2 tds but set up by short fields 5 punts 3-17 on 3rd down LOL not sure on RZ% bet not good..
game 3- 23 points scored 3 fgs 5-13 on 3rd down again..

if i was a betting man i'd say the redzone scoring was NOT good first three games of the year either... 46 points the first 3 games last year 86 this year. hmmm .2-1 vs 2-1 starts..so does it really matter ?

tThe fact is there is too small a sample size because even look at 86 to 46 we're blowing last year out of the water and scoring but then you gotta look at the how the defense is playing and who the quarterback was because we didn't have Prescott for four straight games.. Literally each game takes on a life of its own and it gets old around here when people take the first three games and say we might miss Kellen Moore and that it's horrendous using words like a horrendous is the dumbest thing I've ever heard it's not horrendous work two in one just like last year but we've scored that's double the points.. Now if you wanna say we're leaving meat on the bone we're leaving points on the field sure but you also have to look at again the storyline in the last game we're missing 4 pro bowlers the defense didn't play well our offense was overwhelmed... That was the reason each game has a story of its own and like you said outdoor and weathers game one conservative in game two didn't need a lot of scoring and yet we've almost doubled the score from the first three games last year to this year...

I'd say it's a really useless post and also useless for people to start agreeing with it because there's nothing to see here.. 2-1 all that matters last year 2-1

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lastly just to put this to bed Kellen Moore ran up the score in a lot of games last year to look pretty kept passing when he should have been running got really aggressive when he should've got conservative because he likes to do that.. We've seen it before it's not even a fair assessment because that's what happened in the games that we were already leading he just start chucking the ball up over and over anyway whereas Mike McCarthy it just milks and salts the game away you know so we don't have two big leads blown like we did last year in Jacksonville and Green Bay.. Mike McCarthy said he didn't need to have the prettiest offense as long as he's winning games and helping the defense that's what he wanted to do and even last week his bad as I all was the way we ran the ball the way we controlled the clock when we could he still was trying to help the defense who couldn't help themselves..​

The Cowboys are 4th worst in the league in red zone efficiency. Regardless of what they did last year, they are worse than their competition which means they need to get better. Does anyone disagree they need to improve in the red zone? Of course they could get better by just doing the same things they are doing and maybe next time the chips will fall in place for them, or they can and should look at what they are doing to see if there is something they could do better.

I admitted the sample size is small. But again, 40% is significantly bad enough to warrant at least some analysis, no? One good game against a weak defense could change how all this looks. But that game is yet to come. So taking what we have as data, I looked to see if there are any obvious issues causing the problem. I did not see anything obvious, but in the limited number of drives in the red zone that resulted in FGs or no points, I did see that they did not run the football well on first down, and every failed drive included an important pass play that fell incomplete. Notice I did not mention play calling because I didn't see a pattern there. What I saw was just a failure to execute. Hence my deduction that the starting offensive line, if they ever get back, could solve the problem without any other changes. I don't think we can say it is McCarthy or Kellen Moore at this point.

And to the point about winning, they lost to the Cardinals in large part because in 5 trips inside the red zone they scored 1 TD and came away with no points twice. It would be fooling to think that repeating that performance in future games would have a different result. To be clear, I am not saying the defense did not play a part in the loss. Of course they did. But despite the way the defense played in the 1st half, and that ridiculous blown coverage in the second half, the could still have won the game had they turned a couple of those red zone trips into TDs.

 

[Risen Star]

I dam will own it at the end of the year.

You wanna crow NOW? Knock yourself out. Go ahead....make your prediction.

I made my prediction the moment it was announced that the Cowboys were going to go through with that nonsensical change.

I know you're a little angry about looking so wrong. I tried warning you. You don't scapegoat an OC who is giving you the 2nd most productive offense in the league with Dak Prescott as his QB. You give him a raise.

 

[Captain-Crash]

dang anybody got some cliff notes for some of these novels in this thread. I usually skip it and move on to the 3 sentence posts.

 

[NotForLong]

And yet you guys are all wrong you guys keep posting as if you are agreeing with each other and that there's an issue without looking that it is too small a sample size and we're scoring plenty what do you mean scoring less maybe you mean less big time scoring less chunk plays less quick scoring but look at this differential if you look at Kelly Moore's offense the first three games in our offense the first three games from this year

heres the first 3 games last year

Game 1- 3 total points..Moores juggernaut all off season to get ready.
game 2- 20 points scored Bengal's 2 fgs 2 tds but set up by short fields 5 punts 3-17 on 3rd down LOL not sure on RZ% bet not good..
game 3- 23 points scored 3 fgs 5-13 on 3rd down again..

if i was a betting man i'd say the redzone scoring was NOT good first three games of the year either... 46 points the first 3 games last year 86 this year. hmmm .2-1 vs 2-1 starts..so does it really matter ?

tThe fact is there is too small a sample size because even look at 86 to 46 we're blowing last year out of the water and scoring but then you gotta look at the how the defense is playing and who the quarterback was because we didn't have Prescott for four straight games.. Literally each game takes on a life of its own and it gets old around here when people take the first three games and say we might miss Kellen Moore and that it's horrendous using words like a horrendous is the dumbest thing I've ever heard it's not horrendous work two in one just like last year but we've scored that's double the points.. Now if you wanna say we're leaving meat on the bone we're leaving points on the field sure but you also have to look at again the storyline in the last game we're missing 4 pro bowlers the defense didn't play well our offense was overwhelmed... That was the reason each game has a story of its own and like you said outdoor and weathers game one conservative in game two didn't need a lot of scoring and yet we've almost doubled the score from the first three games last year to this year...

I'd say it's a really useless post and also useless for people to start agreeing with it because there's nothing to see here/.. 2-1 all that matters last year 2-1

and by the way lastly just to put this to bed Kellen Moore ran up the score in a lot of games last year to look pretty kept passing when he should have been running got really aggressive when he should've got conservative because he likes to do that.. We've seen it before it's not even a fair assessment because that's what happened in the games that we were already leading he just start chucking the ball up over and over anyway whereas Mike McCarthy it just milks and salts the game away you know so we don't have two big leads blown like we did last year in Jacksonville and Green Bay.. Mike McCarthy said he didn't need to have the prettiest offense as long as he's winning games and helping the defense that's what he wanted to do and even last week his bad as I all was the way we ran the ball the way we controlled the clock when we could he still was trying to help the defense who couldn't help themselves..

When are you gonna factor in Cooper Rush when doing your scientific evaluation

Talk about reaching for straws

 

[blueblood70]

The Cowboys are 4th worst in the league in red zone efficiency. Regardless of what they did last year, they are worse than their competition which means they need to get better. Does anyone disagree they need to improve in the red zone? Of course they could get better by just doing the same things they are doing and maybe next time the chips will fall in place for them, or they can and should look at what they are doing to see if there is something they could do better.

I admitted the sample size is small. But again, 40% is significantly bad enough to warrant at least some analysis, no? One good game against a weak defense could change how all this looks. But that game is yet to come. So taking what we have as data, I looked to see if there are any obvious issues causing the problem. I did not see anything obvious, but in the limited number of drives in the red zone that resulted in FGs or no points, I did see that they did not run the football well on first down, and every failed drive included an important pass play that fell incomplete. Notice I did not mention play calling because I didn't see a pattern there. What I saw was just a failure to execute. Hence my deduction that the starting offensive line, if they ever get back, could solve the problem without any other changes. I don't think we can say it is McCarthy or Kellen Moore at this point.

And to the point about winning, they lost to the Cardinals in large part because in 5 trips inside the red zone they scored 1 TD and came away with no points twice. It would be fooling to think that repeating that performance in future games would have a different result. To be clear, I am not saying the defense did not play a part in the loss. Of course they did. But despite the way the defense played in the 1st half, and that ridiculous blown coverage in the second half, the could still have won the game had they turned a couple of those red zone trips into TDs.

And yet again you failed to read what I really meant to say and I really don't care about the rest of the league they didn't play our schedule and our situational circumstance each game takes on a life of its own and it also reflects on what the coaches will be conservative less conservative whether they throw whether they pass the weather being outdoors being lopsided wins show me another team that has started off with the point differential like a net points that we have>??

You fail to see that yeah the rest of the league did not play our schedule they did not play the exact circumstances and situations in which we played in therefore that dictates a lot of what happens in a game not stats since when the stats matter more than two in one 2-1

literally only three teams with a better record than ours right now as it stands today they're undefeated the rest of us are here at two and one and the only reason we lost was not because of the red zone issues we lost because of excessive amounts of penalties both called and not called and we lost because the defense sucked balls they sucked balls do you understand how many balls they suck the reason we lost that game it's because of penalties and bad defense not red zone percentage so you could take your stats and what you think analytics has led to anything right now and move on because today's the only game that matters right now and our two in one record is all that matters right now

again, how do we stack up against the league with our record show me that that's all that matters right now how about net points that's all that matters right now...

So that makes us top four in the entire NFL in wins and losses and a lot of other categories I mean 86 points is a lot of points go ahead and tell me how many points that is how it stacks up why don't you do some more research get back to me and I can tell you why right now at this point red zone percentage does not matter of course we need to get better at it because there's gonna be a time where it is gonna cost us a game but it has not yet....

 

[Pass2Run]

If you thought Moore was the problem, you weren't paying attention. The reason he had the best offense, is because those points really matter. Actually, they determine who wins the game.

 

[Pass2Run]

It’s comical how people are saying to wait, when the Dak fanboys were gushing about this offense in training camp.

“Dak is so much more in command. They have more tempo. These WC routes are that much better than our curls and digs.”

Even after Lamb guy wide open on the bunch formation, because of a pick, it was evidenced of much better “situational play calling”

...3/5ths of his offensive line was injured.

 

[khiladi]

...3/5ths of his offensive line was injured.

Not in the 1st two games.. Where were these excuses for Dalton in 2020?

 

[Cowboys5217]

...3/5ths of his offensive line was injured.

Dak was only sacked twice and the Cowboys rushed for 185 yards. The offensive line is being used as an excuse when it did just fine under the circumstances.

 

[The Fonz]

This head coach is nothing but a YES Man and Jerry enabler

 

[plasticman]

There wasn't a whole lot of talk about offensive woes during the first two games. It was only after his 3rd game McCarthy's playcalling is considered a detriment.

Now, what could account for such a drastic turnaround in offensive productivity?

Gosh, could it be trading out three former Pro Bowl starters for two undrafted rookie free agents and a relatively inexperienced journeyman? Anyone think that might have caused less than optimum productivity?

When you replace over a combined 400 games of starting experience with a combined total of 16 along the offensive line, things probably aren't going to run as smoothly. That's especially true when you consider they only found out they would be starting about two days before the game.

I predict that, once these injured starters return, we are going to see more success in the redzone and the entire offense in general. There is actually quite a difference between an experienced O-line composed of two possible Hall of Famers from two guys fresh off the practice squad.

 

[gtb1943]

In the red zone you must be able to spread the D out as much as you can since the area of play is so restricted. WHICH MEANS you have to have credible threats air and ground; and be unpredictable. ALways have the D guessing at least a little.
Bottom line is that so far this year we have not looked good even before game 3.