Red zone stats are horrendous, way behind last year under Moore

[big dog cowboy]

 

[blueblood70]

heres the first 3 games last year

Game 1- 3 total points..Moores juggernaut all off season to get ready.
game 2- 20 points scored Bengal's 2 fgs 2 tds but set up by short fields 5 punts 3-17 on 3rd down LOL not sure on RZ% bet not good..
game 3- 23 points scored 3 fgs 5-13 on 3rd down again..

if i was a betting man i'd say the redzone scoring was NOT good first three games of the year either... 46 points the first 3 games last year 86 this year. hmmm .2-1 vs 2-1 starts..so does it really matter ?

 

[Captain-Crash]

mike don't trust one guy who can cost you a game. shrugs, it is what it is.

Is anybody missing those curl routes?

 

[VaqueroTD]

I looked at Big Mac's history with red zone % in Green Bay when he was OC and HC, and he did pretty well, no history of obvious declines in his offenses. Everything probably looks easy though when Aaron Rodgers is your QB.

 

[Captain-Crash]

that's what you do when you can't trust your qb. shrugs, the new NFL.

 

[CWR]

There's so much context being disregarded to make any case for KM.

 

[Creeper]

While I agree with the folks arguing it is only 3 games which is too small of a sample size, I also think in 3 games it is clear they have issues with the red zone offense. I went back and looked at each drive to see if there is a pattern.

The Cowboys have 16 Red zone trips in 3 games. They have scored 6 TDs, 8 FGs and come away with no points twice (one turnover on downs and 1 INT, both against Arizona).

Of the 10 times the Cowboys failed to get a TD in the red zone, 7 times they were inside the 10 yard line when they either kicked a FG or failed to score. They turned it over on downs at the 4 and threw an INT from the 6. 13 drives inside the 10 yard line seems like a pretty good performance by the offense.

I think the stats are not as bad as they look but still not great. The Cowboys kicked 4 FGs against the Jets from inside the red zone. But it looks to me they got very conservative late in the game. There is no way of knowing if they would have gotten more TDs in that game had they opened the playbook but it is something to consider. Even if they got two more TDs instead of FGs, their red zone efficiency would still be below last year. But two TDs against the Jets and make two of their 4 misses against the Cards and they are 10 of 16 or 62%. But they didn't get 4 more TDs so it is what it is.

I don't see any clear patterns except and it is such a small sample size, but for what it is worth it looks like two things might be the issue. First, the inability to run the football inside the 10 yard line on 1st and 2nd down. The other is, almost every failure to score a TD has an incomplete pass or two in the final set of downs. I think if the Cowboys were more successful on 1st downs inside the 10, just getting 5 or more yards, they would improve their red zone scoring significantly. I also think if they ran plays designed to get receivers open to the outside areas of the end zone they would be more successful too.

But it very well could be the reason for the red zone inefficiency really is the offensive line injuries. If they ever get the OL back together, we will see if it is the play calling or just bad offensive line play.

 

[charron]

Mike said he doesn't want the offense to take advantage of long range opportunities as he prefers a more methodical approach which typically leads to less scoring.

 

[NotForLong]

The present play caller fired the previous playcaller under the guise of efficiency and situational playcalling improvement.

He and his QB are fully responsible for the play called and execution of said play.

I've been consistent on my keys to team success for this year.
Offensive playcalling and QB decision making in real time.

Failure by the HC, QB or both in performing their duties as mentioned, seems to be a primary problem preventing team success.

jmo

My question is this. . . . How do you measure which is the one at fault

It seems to me only Mike and Dak would know the answer to that

 

[NotForLong]

mike don't trust one guy who can cost you a game. shrugs, it is what it is.

Is anybody missing those curl routes?

Curl routes are very very Dak Friendly

 

[Captain-Crash]

Curl routes are very very Dak Friendly

it's like you give the guy with the ball so many seconds, and then everyone runs toward the line of scrimmage. that's the best play for our guy, I'm not sure why Mike hasn't gone back to this play. I'd call it on every passing down. shrugs.

 

[NotForLong]

it's like you give the guy with the ball so many seconds, and then everyone runs toward the line of scrimmage. that's the best play for our guy, I'm not sure why Mike hasn't gone back to this play. I'd call it on every passing down. shrugs.

Gotta implement what works for Dak

 

[blueblood70]

Mike said he doesn't want the offense to take advantage of long range opportunities as he prefers a more methodical approach which typically leads to less scoring.

And yet you guys are all wrong you guys keep posting as if you are agreeing with each other and that there's an issue without looking that it is too small a sample size and we're scoring plenty what do you mean scoring less maybe you mean less big time scoring less chunk plays less quick scoring but look at this differential if you look at Kelly Moore's offense the first three games in our offense the first three games from this year

heres the first 3 games last year

Game 1- 3 total points..Moores juggernaut all off season to get ready.
game 2- 20 points scored Bengal's 2 fgs 2 tds but set up by short fields 5 punts 3-17 on 3rd down LOL not sure on RZ% bet not good..
game 3- 23 points scored 3 fgs 5-13 on 3rd down again..

if i was a betting man i'd say the redzone scoring was NOT good first three games of the year either... 46 points the first 3 games last year 86 this year. hmmm .2-1 vs 2-1 starts..so does it really matter ?

tThe fact is there is too small a sample size because even look at 86 to 46 we're blowing last year out of the water and scoring but then you gotta look at the how the defense is playing and who the quarterback was because we didn't have Prescott for four straight games.. Literally each game takes on a life of its own and it gets old around here when people take the first three games and say we might miss Kellen Moore and that it's horrendous using words like a horrendous is the dumbest thing I've ever heard it's not horrendous work two in one just like last year but we've scored that's double the points.. Now if you wanna say we're leaving meat on the bone we're leaving points on the field sure but you also have to look at again the storyline in the last game we're missing 4 pro bowlers the defense didn't play well our offense was overwhelmed... That was the reason each game has a story of its own and like you said outdoor and weathers game one conservative in game two didn't need a lot of scoring and yet we've almost doubled the score from the first three games last year to this year...

I'd say it's a really useless post and also useless for people to start agreeing with it because there's nothing to see here/.. 2-1 all that matters last year 2-1

and by the way lastly just to put this to bed Kellen Moore ran up the score in a lot of games last year to look pretty kept passing when he should have been running got really aggressive when he should've got conservative because he likes to do that.. We've seen it before it's not even a fair assessment because that's what happened in the games that we were already leading he just start chucking the ball up over and over anyway whereas Mike McCarthy it just milks and salts the game away you know so we don't have two big leads blown like we did last year in Jacksonville and Green Bay.. Mike McCarthy said he didn't need to have the prettiest offense as long as he's winning games and helping the defense that's what he wanted to do and even last week his bad as I all was the way we ran the ball the way we controlled the clock when we could he still was trying to help the defense who couldn't help themselves..

 

[blueblood70]

While I agree with the folks arguing it is only 3 games which is too small of a sample size, I also think in 3 games it is clear they have issues with the red zone offense. I went back and looked at each drive to see if there is a pattern.

The Cowboys have 16 Red zone trips in 3 games. They have scored 6 TDs, 8 FGs and come away with no points twice (one turnover on downs and 1 INT, both against Arizona).

Of the 10 times the Cowboys failed to get a TD in the red zone, 7 times they were inside the 10 yard line when they either kicked a FG or failed to score. They turned it over on downs at the 4 and threw an INT from the 6. 13 drives inside the 10 yard line seems like a pretty good performance by the offense.

I think the stats are not as bad as they look but still not great. The Cowboys kicked 4 FGs against the Jets from inside the red zone. But it looks to me they got very conservative late in the game. There is no way of knowing if they would have gotten more TDs in that game had they opened the playbook but it is something to consider. Even if they got two more TDs instead of FGs, their red zone efficiency would still be below last year. But two TDs against the Jets and make two of their 4 misses against the Cards and they are 10 of 16 or 62%. But they didn't get 4 more TDs so it is what it is.

I don't see any clear patterns except and it is such a small sample size, but for what it is worth it looks like two things might be the issue. First, the inability to run the football inside the 10 yard line on 1st and 2nd down. The other is, almost every failure to score a TD has an incomplete pass or two in the final set of downs. I think if the Cowboys were more successful on 1st downs inside the 10, just getting 5 or more yards, they would improve their red zone scoring significantly. I also think if they ran plays designed to get receivers open to the outside areas of the end zone they would be more successful too.

But it very well could be the reason for the red zone inefficiency really is the offensive line injuries. If they ever get the OL back together, we will see if it is the play calling or just bad offensive line play.

And yet you guys are all wrong you guys keep posting as if you are agreeing with each other and that there's an issue without looking that it is too small a sample size and we're scoring plenty what do you mean scoring less maybe you mean less big time scoring less chunk plays less quick scoring but look at this differential if you look at Kelly Moore's offense the first three games in our offense the first three games from this year

heres the first 3 games last year

Game 1- 3 total points..Moores juggernaut all off season to get ready.
game 2- 20 points scored Bengal's 2 fgs 2 tds but set up by short fields 5 punts 3-17 on 3rd down LOL not sure on RZ% bet not good..
game 3- 23 points scored 3 fgs 5-13 on 3rd down again..

if i was a betting man i'd say the redzone scoring was NOT good first three games of the year either... 46 points the first 3 games last year 86 this year. hmmm .2-1 vs 2-1 starts..so does it really matter ?

tThe fact is there is too small a sample size because even look at 86 to 46 we're blowing last year out of the water and scoring but then you gotta look at the how the defense is playing and who the quarterback was because we didn't have Prescott for four straight games.. Literally each game takes on a life of its own and it gets old around here when people take the first three games and say we might miss Kellen Moore and that it's horrendous using words like a horrendous is the dumbest thing I've ever heard it's not horrendous work two in one just like last year but we've scored that's double the points.. Now if you wanna say we're leaving meat on the bone we're leaving points on the field sure but you also have to look at again the storyline in the last game we're missing 4 pro bowlers the defense didn't play well our offense was overwhelmed... That was the reason each game has a story of its own and like you said outdoor and weathers game one conservative in game two didn't need a lot of scoring and yet we've almost doubled the score from the first three games last year to this year...

I'd say it's a really useless post and also useless for people to start agreeing with it because there's nothing to see here.. 2-1 all that matters last year 2-1

and by the way,​

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lastly just to put this to bed Kellen Moore ran up the score in a lot of games last year to look pretty kept passing when he should have been running got really aggressive when he should've got conservative because he likes to do that.. We've seen it before it's not even a fair assessment because that's what happened in the games that we were already leading he just start chucking the ball up over and over anyway whereas Mike McCarthy it just milks and salts the game away you know so we don't have two big leads blown like we did last year in Jacksonville and Green Bay.. Mike McCarthy said he didn't need to have the prettiest offense as long as he's winning games and helping the defense that's what he wanted to do and even last week his bad as I all was the way we ran the ball the way we controlled the clock when we could he still was trying to help the defense who couldn't help themselves..​

 

[khiladi]

It’s comical how people are saying to wait, when the Dak fanboys were gushing about this offense in training camp.

“Dak is so much more in command. They have more tempo. These WC routes are that much better than our curls and digs.”

Even after Lamb guy wide open on the bunch formation, because of a pick, it was evidenced of much better “situational play calling”

 

[khiladi]

And yet you guys are all wrong you guys keep posting as if you are agreeing with each other and that there's an issue without looking that it is too small a sample size and we're scoring plenty what do you mean scoring less maybe you mean less big time scoring less chunk plays less quick scoring but look at this differential if you look at Kelly Moore's offense the first three games in our offense the first three games from this year

heres the first 3 games last year

Game 1- 3 total points..Moores juggernaut all off season to get ready.
game 2- 20 points scored Bengal's 2 fgs 2 tds but set up by short fields 5 punts 3-17 on 3rd down LOL not sure on RZ% bet not good..
game 3- 23 points scored 3 fgs 5-13 on 3rd down again..

if i was a betting man i'd say the redzone scoring was NOT good first three games of the year either... 46 points the first 3 games last year 86 this year. hmmm .2-1 vs 2-1 starts..so does it really matter ?

tThe fact is there is too small a sample size because even look at 86 to 46 we're blowing last year out of the water and scoring but then you gotta look at the how the defense is playing and who the quarterback was because we didn't have Prescott for four straight games.. Literally each game takes on a life of its own and it gets old around here when people take the first three games and say we might miss Kellen Moore and that it's horrendous using words like a horrendous is the dumbest thing I've ever heard it's not horrendous work two in one just like last year but we've scored that's double the points.. Now if you wanna say we're leaving meat on the bone we're leaving points on the field sure but you also have to look at again the storyline in the last game we're missing 4 pro bowlers the defense didn't play well our offense was overwhelmed... That was the reason each game has a story of its own and like you said outdoor and weathers game one conservative in game two didn't need a lot of scoring and yet we've almost doubled the score from the first three games last year to this year...

I'd say it's a really useless post and also useless for people to start agreeing with it because there's nothing to see here/.. 2-1 all that matters last year 2-1

and by the way lastly just to put this to bed Kellen Moore ran up the score in a lot of games last year to look pretty kept passing when he should have been running got really aggressive when he should've got conservative because he likes to do that.. We've seen it before it's not even a fair assessment because that's what happened in the games that we were already leading he just start chucking the ball up over and over anyway whereas Mike McCarthy it just milks and salts the game away you know so we don't have two big leads blown like we did last year in Jacksonville and Green Bay.. Mike McCarthy said he didn't need to have the prettiest offense as long as he's winning games and helping the defense that's what he wanted to do and even last week his bad as I all was the way we ran the ball the way we controlled the clock when we could he still was trying to help the defense who couldn't help themselves..

So what? That’s because Rush was inserted as the starter. He wasn’t practicing with the starters all training camp.

Look at MOORE’s starts in 2019 and 2021. Dak even harms limited reps last year in the off season .

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Dallas is currently at 40% in the red zone for the 2023 season..................only 3 teams in the entire NFL are worse (Tampa 37.5, Titans 33.3, and Houston 27.2)


Thats right, only 3 teams in the entire NFL are worse than Dallas in the red zone.

What was Dallas's red zone TD percentage for the 2022 season under Kellen Moore..............71.4%


And for those curious if home or away makes a difference, Dallas is actually worse at home compared to away (44.4% away vs 33.3% home). Now granted we have a small sample size of just 3 games so there is time to improve on these numbers, but the trend line is bad right now, really bad.

So you think one crappy OC traded for another crappy OC ...was a HUGE mistake that will cost us a super bowl?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

And you guys wanted the change.

Own it.

I dam will own it at the end of the year.

You wanna crow NOW? Knock yourself out. Go ahead....make your prediction.

 

[Typhus]

Decision making, processing skills, should be enough for any rational minded person to figure out by now.
Figure out where the problem truly is.

 

[Deionindahood]

MM will fix this red zone issue with a quick release.