Refs got the rule wrong... again

[dbair1967]

The officials stink because the officials stink. No conspiracy necessary -- always err on the side of laziness, incompetence or stupidity rather than omnipotent conspiracies.

You can believe that if you want, I'm sure David Stern thought he had an incorruptable bunch too.

Incompetence doesnt explain alot of the issues, the calls and non calls are just too obvious on alot of occassions. Bias and corruption do explain alot.

 

[SultanOfSix]

I'd say this crew is a prime example of what I have long suspected and suggested, that its far uglier than incompetence in alot fo these cases of poorly officiated games. I'd say alot of them cashed in nicely tonight via Vegas. They did everythign in their power to insure the Cards covered the spread.

Finally. Others are seeing what I have been saying years ago.

"You see, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve."

 

[jimmy40]

I'd say this crew is a prime example of what I have long suspected and suggested, that its far uglier than incompetence in alot fo these cases of poorly officiated games. I'd say alot of them cashed in nicely tonight via Vegas. They did everythign in their power to insure the Cards covered the spread.

Must have been a fist fight in the ref's locker room after that 4th down interference call that kept Dallas in the game.

 

[HoosierCowboy]

So, if this call is correct, does that mean that a team only needs the center and QB to get to the line and all the fatties, etc. can just get set wherever they happen to be standing and all that will happen is 5 yards? No need to run down the field to get to the line to stop the clock?

my thought exactly---even if "they got the call right" it is wrong--and can anyone snap the ball? could anyone line up over the ball and snap it to anyone else as long as everyone was set somewhere?

 

[Hostile]

Okay, so I am convinced the interpretation of the rule by Triplett is correct. No 10 second run off.

I am also convinced that this means the rule is stupid. AZ had no time outs. In order to stop the clock they can and SHOULD take the automatic penalty of 5 yards that they got. I am serious. Forget trying to get 11 guys lined up correctly. Just get up there and take the penalty and the 5 yards.

It is to the Offenses advantage to snap the ball as quickly as they can with guys moving if necessary because it will stop the clock faster.

If this rule is correct and there is no 10 second run off then it is a very stupid interpretation because it gives the Offense an unfair advantage.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

It does give the offense an unfair advantage, but not in this case. They got lined up (incorrecly, but lined up) with 10 secs left. We lost because it's hard to overcome 2 pick 6s and a missed extra point, all with a QB with no career passing attempt.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

It is to the Offenses advantage to snap the ball as quickly as they can with guys moving if necessary because it will stop the clock faster.

If this rule is correct and there is no 10 second run off then it is a very stupid interpretation because it gives the Offense an unfair advantage.

Wasn't that the point, though? That they were lined up and stationary, just in an illegal formation, and that's why the time wasn't run off?

They were just spiking the ball with everyone lined up, so it didn't help them. Actually it made their FG five yards longer, which could have really hurt them.

 

[dbair1967]

Wasn't that the point, though? That they were lined up and stationary, just in an illegal formation?

They were just spiking the ball with everyone lined up, so it didn't help them. Actually it made their FG five yards longer, which could have really hurt them.

Almost did too, he barely cleared it.

 

[iceberg]

The rule makes no mention of it being ONLY in the instance of a false start. This is the second time NFL refs have made this mistake, the other being in the Rams-Seahawks game in '06. However, 10 second runoffs have occured four times in NFL history due to illegal formations, though never to end a game.

We deserved to lose, but this just chaps my arse

crap like this is why i didn't want to come in here last night. tons of whining and blaming the refs.

they got it right and spelled it out. i screamed for the run off but it was explained and put away.

that didn't kill us.

missing the extra point didn't help.

but if you can't stop 4th and 15, you lose.

 

[bbgun]

crap like this is why i didn't want to come in here last night. tons of whining and blaming the refs.

they got it right and spelled it out. i screamed for the run off but it was explained and put away.

that didn't kill us.

missing the extra point didn't help.

but if you can't stop 4th and 15, you lose.

No ****. If the refs were trying to hurt us or help them, they wouldn't have called any type of formation penalty in that situation (making Feely's kick all the more difficult), let alone the interference call on Hurd on 4th down. The dimwitted conspiracists would rather whine about "bad calls" than explain why the Cards' inept offense made it to our 25 yard line in the first place.

 

[casmith07]

No ****. If the refs were trying to hurt us or help them, they wouldn't have called any type of formation penalty in that situation (making Feely's kick all the more difficult), let alone the interference call on Hurd on 4th down. The dimwitted conspiracists would rather whine about "bad calls" than explain why the Cards' inept offense made it to our 25 yard line in the first place.

"When the ball is snapped, back up, then keep backing up, then back up some more. Let them have whatever they want underneath - we're only up 2 but we'll let them have the field goal if it keeps them out of the end zone, fellas."

 

[Hostile]

Wasn't that the point, though? That they were lined up and stationary, just in an illegal formation, and that's why the time wasn't run off?

They were just spiking the ball with everyone lined up, so it didn't help them. Actually it made their FG five yards longer, which could have really hurt them.

No. CL think for a minute. If the Offense wants a shot at the FG they do not even need to spike the ball. Run up with 2 or 3 guys and snap it. Take the penalty and save the precious seconds. They are therefore rewarded for the penalty because the clock stops.

I get it that they got the rule right. It means it is stupid. If I am a HC I absolutely inform my team to just run the 2 fastest guys up there and snap the ball. I rest my OL and stop the clock.

The call is right, the goal of the call is wrong.

 

[iceberg]

No. CL think for a minute. If the Offense wants a shot at the FG they do not even need to spike the ball. Run up with 2 or 3 guys and snap it. Take the penalty and save the precious seconds. They are therefore rewarded for the penalty because the clock stops.

I get it that they got the rule right. It means it is stupid. If I am a HC I absolutely inform my team to just run the 2 fastest guys up there and snap the ball. I rest my OL and stop the clock.

The call is right, the goal of the call is wrong.

that's the part i want to understand more. we got hit with a rare tuck rule it would seem.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Oh, I get what you're saying, but I seriously doubt a team is going to train, say, two WRs to run up to the ball and have one snap it to the other while the rest of the team 15 yards upfield stands perfectly still. That would take incredible coordination in a situation that very rarely happens.

 

[Hostile]

Oh, I get what you're saying, but I seriously doubt a team is going to train, say, two WRs to run up to the ball and have one snap it to the other while the rest of the team 15 yards upfield stands perfectly still. That would take incredible coordination in a situation that very rarely happens.

It should happen. It is an incredible advantage for the Offense.

All I am saying is it is a goofy glitch in the rule. I get it that the call was right. In principle, that is good. But the truth is the Offense actually got rewarded by the penalty.

Now, had they lined up correctly and spiked the ball and kicked the FG it is a moot point. That didn't happen though. They actually got rewarded by the penalty even though it moved them back 5 yards.

That is where I have issue. The interpretation of the rule allows a team a huge advantage if they know the loophole.

 

[HoosierCowboy]

It should happen. It is an incredible advantage for the Offense.

All I am saying is it is a goofy glitch in the rule. I get it that the call was right. In principle, that is good. But the truth is the Offense actually got rewarded by the penalty.

Now, had they lined up correctly and spiked the ball and kicked the FG it is a moot point. That didn't happen though. They actually got rewarded by the penalty even though it moved them back 5 yards.

That is where I have issue. The interpretation of the rule allows a team a huge advantage if they know the loophole.

would not take a lot of wotrk, just tell the guy who has the ball to snap it to the QB who runs up behind him--everyone else just get behind the line of scrimmage and stop

 

[NextGenBoys]

The level of officiating in both the NFL and the NBA is an absolute disgrace.

It's beyond awful.

Add to the fact that there is absolutely zero accountability, and they will continue to ruin the game.

If players can get fined $75,000 dollars for inadvertant helmet-to-helmet contact while playing a contact sport, then referee's need to be fined a proportional amount when they miss calls.

Depending on the type of blown call, and impact on the game (yardage, turnover, drive-ending, etc) the fines need to be proportional.

Not $75,000 of course. But maybe $500, $1,000, and $2,500 would help stop the level of poor officiating that is permeating my favorite sports.

People don't pay to watch the ref's ruin the game. They pay to watch athletes perform on the field. It's getting ridiculous.

 

[Danny White]

No. CL think for a minute. If the Offense wants a shot at the FG they do not even need to spike the ball. Run up with 2 or 3 guys and snap it. Take the penalty and save the precious seconds. They are therefore rewarded for the penalty because the clock stops.

I get it that they got the rule right. It means it is stupid. If I am a HC I absolutely inform my team to just run the 2 fastest guys up there and snap the ball. I rest my OL and stop the clock.

The call is right, the goal of the call is wrong.

I think the key is that it cannot be a false start. If it's illegal formation there's no run off but for false start there would be.

So in the scenario of two WRs lining up, the rest of the team would have to get set where they are... otherwise, if they were all running towards the play when the snap occurred, it'd be a pre-snap penalty and the 10 second runoff would occur.

 

[Hostile]

I think the key is that it cannot be a false start. If it's illegal formation there's no run off but for false start there would be.

So in the scenario of two WRs lining up, the rest of the team would have to get set where they are... otherwise, if they were all running towards the play when the snap occurred, it'd be a pre-snap penalty and the 10 second runoff would occur.

Right. Have the rest of the team stop where they are. Run 2 guys up there. Snap the ball. That is illegal formation because there is only 1 guy on the LOS, not 7.

Loophole. Advantage Offense.

 

[theogt]

Oh, I get what you're saying, but I seriously doubt a team is going to train, say, two WRs to run up to the ball and have one snap it to the other while the rest of the team 15 yards upfield stands perfectly still. That would take incredible coordination in a situation that very rarely happens.

Rarely happens? Seems that any time you have a long pass inside of a minute it's an easy way to stop the clock quickly.