Regarding Linehan

[jobberone]

Can you admit that Garrett is the HC so he is responsible for the failures of the last 3 years because he sure does not do it

If you can hold him responsible for failings of his team as a HC no one will have a problem with you giving him credit if the team does well

The fact that Garrett is a bad OC and HC is already evident by team performance and will only come as a surprise to Garrett groupies


This is just another Garrett homer OP looking for credit for Garrett before there is any evidence such credit is due

I don't have a problem with the substance here but the overall view is so flawed as to overwhelm it. First of all you have to define succeed and fail. For me they are all relative from where you began. I don't give Switzer that much credit for 94 and 95. More than a little and less than a lot. He gets credit for not screwing it up. Was Landry a failure his first few years here or did it just take time to break out? I've said it more than once you can't possibly judge the team for failure with where we started when Garrett took over and given the injuries the last two years.

I've never jumped on board the Garrett train but I'm reasonable. This year gives you some insight, esp if we just have the normal amount of injuries, in determining which direction the team is heading. And a bit of that depends on how the defense comes together. Unless the team fails far short of where its resources should take it, then you'll see this as mostly a year to evaluate and build the defense and tweak the offense.

If this team makes noise this year it will be a perfect storm on defense and advances on the offensive side which mostly means health and Tony Romo.

 

[jobberone]

If so, he is truly a miracle. One of the first lame duck head coaches that can claim he is moving the team forward.

I'm not certain everyone feels he is a lame duck coach.

 

[yentl911]

I feel having a solid running game is super important to your team's success - opens up play action and your passing game, can allow you to keep a lead in a close game (with the parity now in the NFL this is even more important), plus it will keep your defense on the bench - very important for us considering our lack of defensive talent.

In an age where there is more emphasis on the passing game I think a good running game is more important now than ever.

Just my two cents.

 

[visionary]

I don't have a problem with the substance here but the overall view is so flawed as to overwhelm it. First of all you have to define succeed and fail. For me they are all relative from where you began. I don't give Switzer that much credit for 94 and 95. More than a little and less than a lot. He gets credit for not screwing it up. Was Landry a failure his first few years here or did it just take time to break out? I've said it more than once you can't possibly judge the team for failure with where we started when Garrett took over and given the injuries the last two years.

I've never jumped on board the Garrett train but I'm reasonable. This year gives you some insight, esp if we just have the normal amount of injuries, in determining which direction the team is heading. And a bit of that depends on how the defense comes together. Unless the team fails far short of where its resources should take it, then you'll see this as mostly a year to evaluate and build the defense and tweak the offense.

If this team makes noise this year it will be a perfect storm on defense and advances on the offensive side which mostly means health and Tony Romo.

Lol at bringing up Landry a coach that picked up an expansion franchise, to subminally find an excuse for Garrett's 3 years of failure

Please let me know if Landry took over a team with a top 10 QB, and HOF DE and TE

LOL also at your saying that you haven't jumped on the Garrett wagon because you are one of the biggest excuse-makers on the board as evidenced by this very post. You say that "this year will give us some insight" and then go on to bring up all sorts of caveats to excuse the failures of the upcoming season

Reality is that no matter what happens you will find a way to excuse Garrett from any significant culpability because that is par for the course for you

 

[Idgit]

Lol at bringing up Landry a coach that picked up an expansion franchise, to subminally find an excuse for Garrett's 3 years of failure

Please let me know if Landry took over a team with a top 10 QB, and HOF DE and TE

LOL also at your saying that you haven't jumped on the Garrett wagon because you are one of the biggest excuse-makers on the board as evidenced by this very post. You say that "this year will give us some insight" and then go on to bring up all sorts of caveats to excuse the failures of the upcoming season

Reality is that no matter what happens you will find a way to excuse Garrett from any significant culpability because that is par for the course for you

Why such an ugly tone? Wouldn't it be easier and just...better to make a counter argument for a change. Rather than just being wrong and insulting?

Just a thought.

 

[slomoxn]

Jerry wants credit for what Jimmy put together; with Jerry's money and permission mind you. So if Garret brought in Linehan and this guy has the offense scoring like 2007 I will give Garrett all the credit in the world... For bringing him in, but for me it really doesn't matter who gets what as long as they are winning; if they are losing or 8-8 again if we don't blame Garrett who is responsible then? We already know the GM is about as good at his job as I am... AT HIS JOB! So for me they will both get all the credit in the world for finally putting us back in the winners circle.

 

[Fredd]

If so, he is truly a miracle. One of the first lame duck head coaches that can claim he is moving the team forward.

I don't think he is a lame duck coach, unless you have a different definition than me...lame duck is just playing out the string and his replacement is coming at some point...I think Jones is all-in on Garrett and is going to ride that horse until it drops.....and yes, IMO, there is a large difference in the team when comparing it to the year before Garrett became HC...he has instilled a mind set on the team (still developing), he dumped old contracts in his first year and made the tough choices with Ware and Hatcher...you can't tell me that he had SOME say in that decision...he has built up the offensive line from being pathetic to be better than average with a change at being very good if they get one more piece...now, it is the defenses turn...

again, I am not the biggest Garrett fan, but I can recognize that things are different now than they were in the Wade days

 

[slomoxn]

Why such an ugly tone? Wouldn't it be easier and just...better to make a counter argument for a change. Rather than just being wrong and insulting?

Just a thought.

Was he really wrong or just insulting? He makes a point about having a top 5 QB AND A team ready to make a run.

 

[jobberone]

Lol at bringing up Landry a coach that picked up an expansion franchise, to subminally find an excuse for Garrett's 3 years of failure

Please let me know if Landry took over a team with a top 10 QB, and HOF DE and TE

LOL also at your saying that you haven't jumped on the Garrett wagon because you are one of the biggest excuse-makers on the board as evidenced by this very post. You say that "this year will give us some insight" and then go on to bring up all sorts of caveats to excuse the failures of the upcoming season

Reality is that no matter what happens you will find a way to excuse Garrett from any significant culpability because that is par for the course for you

This is a great example of mind reading. No matter what I say this is what you will always come back to.

As far as excusing Garrett I didn't. I have repeatedly said I don't know how to evaluate how well or poorly the team was coached the last two years because of how atrocious the D was esp last year. That would include anyone who was the coach not just Garrett. And only someone unreasonable would think that is making excuses rather than giving reasons.

I'm not surprised you totally missed the point about Landry either. You either don't know how we started as an expansion team, don't care, or merely get so caught up in your agenda you forget the facts. We had a ProBowl QB in LeBaron. And neither Ware nor Witten are HOF yet but don't let that stop you. I'll give you that I think they will eventually be with Witten a near certainty. Billy Howton was a tremendous end in one of the better offenses in the NFL. Those teams also had Don Perkins, Frank Clarke, and Don Meredith. Now I'm not saying Landry had a monster club even on offense but it wasn't exactly like the Falcons or Vikings were either by the nature of how they stocked their clubs.

IOWs, both coaches had to build a roster capable of competing. If you don't have the ability to discuss this or any other topic without making ad hominem attacks on other posters then perhaps you should don all the garb necessary to do so.

 

[visionary]

This is a great example of mind reading. No matter what I say this is what you will always come back to.

As far as excusing Garrett I didn't. I have repeatedly said I don't know how to evaluate how well or poorly the team was coached the last two years because of how atrocious the D was esp last year. That would include anyone who was the coach not just Garrett. And only someone unreasonable would think that is making excuses rather than giving reasons.

I'm not surprised you totally missed the point about Landry either. You either don't know how we started as an expansion team, don't care, or merely get so caught up in your agenda you forget the facts. We had a ProBowl QB in LeBaron. And neither Ware nor Witten are HOF yet but don't let that stop you. I'll give you that I think they will eventually be with Witten a near certainty. Billy Howton was a tremendous end in one of the better offenses in the NFL. Those teams also had Don Perkins, Frank Clarke, and Don Meredith. Now I'm not saying Landry had a monster club even on offense but it wasn't exactly like the Falcons or Vikings were either by the nature of how they stocked their clubs.

IOWs, both coaches had to build a roster capable of competing. If you don't have the ability to discuss this or any other topic without making ad hominem attacks on other posters then perhaps you should don all the garb necessary to do so.

No attacks from me

Your post above is reflective of your views and indictment enough for everyone to read and make up their minds

I just find it sad that some will denigrate the history of the franchise and it's best and finest in an attempt to prop up a guy not fit to shine their shoes

 

[Idgit]

Was he really wrong or just insulting? He makes a point about having a top 5 QB AND A team ready to make a run.

Yeah, he was dead wrong. Not about Romo, but that wasn't his point. This team was not about to make a run in 2010. It had imploded.

And, yeah, he's being unnecessarily rude, and is mischaracterizing jobber, badly.

 

[Idgit]

No attacks from me

Your post above is reflective of your views and indictment enough for everyone to read and make up their minds

I just find it sad that some will denigrate the history of the franchise and it's best and finest in an attempt to prop up a guy not fit to shine their shoes

He's clearly right here, visionary. And not exactly saying anything unreasonable. You're trying to paint a picture that does not exist, and unwilling to engage the debate with facts of your own. You're right. I think minds are probably made up.

 

[Risen Star]

If so, he is truly a miracle. One of the first lame duck head coaches that can claim he is moving the team forward.

If Garrett is the puppet, Will McClay is the puppet master.

Keep this on the down low.

 

[Alexander]

I don't think he is a lame duck coach, unless you have a different definition than me...lame duck is just playing out the string and his replacement is coming at some point..

If he were driving the franchise and had the confidence of the front office, he would be under contract with an extension. That is just how it works.

He has been allowed to enter his final year. That fact speaks volumes.

.I think Jones is all-in on Garrett and is going to ride that horse until it drops.....

And he is riding this horse this year.

 

[Fredd]

If he were driving the franchise and had the confidence of the front office, he would be under contract with an extension. That is just how it works.

He has been allowed to enter his final year. That fact speaks volumes.



And he is riding this horse this year.

look, I know that you and others have given up on him, but I am giving one more chance as well...if things go well and they still lose, then I will be on the bandwagon to get rid of him...but, as long as they continue to show progress, he has to stay...the best teams are the ones with continuity (for the most part)

 

[Alexander]

look, I know that you and others have given up on him, but I am giving one more chance as well...if things go well and they still lose, then I will be on the bandwagon to get rid of him...but, as long as they continue to show progress, he has to stay...the best teams are the ones with continuity (for the most part)

You can keep on rooting for him. If that floats your boat, fine.

But do not sit there and pretend he is driving the train, because frankly, if he was, he would have a contract that extends beyond this upcoming season.

 

[Cowboy06]

I bet you if he runs the ball and we are more effective, everyone will say, "See, garrett couldn't do it and we should have had an OC sooner, and Jerry did a great job brining in Linehan"

if he ends up passing more and sticking tot he passing game, the same group will say, this was the guy that garrett wanted and he wanted him to run his pass happy offense, and he put another nail in his coffin.

this is what you call a lose-lose situation.

and I am sure somebody will call me a Pro-Garrett fan, which I am not. just stating how its going to work out.

I can see your point completely. I believe the real issue will be rather or not if the defense can finally stop opposing teams. If that happens, then you can run the offense any which way you like. However, to just reply to your point, I would rather run the ball effectively, eat up the clock when it's practical to do so.

 

[Idgit]

You can keep on rooting for him. If that floats your boat, fine.

But do not sit there and pretend he is driving the train, because frankly, if he was, he would have a contract that extends beyond this upcoming season.

That doesn't follow. He's got a contract, period. The fact that he's in the last year of a deal says nothing about who's "driving the train," unless you're suggesting he extend himself.

I think we all know who hires and extends the coaches around here. And this won't be the last one-year coaching deal in Dallas, or for any other NFL team.

 

[visionary]

Yeah, he was dead wrong. Not about Romo, but that wasn't his point. This team was not about to make a run in 2010. It had imploded.

And, yeah, he's being unnecessarily rude, and is mischaracterizing jobber, badly.

What about 2011 or 2012 or 2013?

When do actual results and facts trump the diatribe of hope and believe?

 

[Alexander]

That doesn't follow. He's got a contract, period. The fact that he's in the last year of a deal says nothing about who's "driving the train," unless you're suggesting he extend himself.

I think we all know who hires and extends the coaches around here. And this won't be the last one-year coaching deal in Dallas, or for any other NFL team.

A player goes into this final year. The team does not feel good enough about his career arc to give him an extension and wants the player to prove it in his final year.

This is no different.

There is no mandate for what Garrett is doing from the front office. No matter how much everyone likes to imagine there is.

He is on a "prove it" deal.

As for your last comment, go ask Ron Rivera. He went through the same thing. His boss decided what our's is doing now.