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[Redball Express]

I can't look at them as better than the Giants because I thought they played Seattle much better than we did, even in a losing cause. We had to collapse to let Seattle win..




You've gotta be joking, right? We DOMINATED the Seahawks for 59 minutes...

..we dominated the running game of Seattle and TOP.

But one of the main reasons we were in that game as much as we were for the first 3 Qts. was a huge number of penalties that constantly killed their drives.

They really hurt themselves badly and we did little to take advantage of it and tried to play TOP and it backfired once Seattle stopped with the penalties in the 4th Qt.

It was very much like the Detroit game was..full of penalties that made it look like we were playing better than we were.

Seattle played extremely well considering they didn't have the ball nearly as long as we had it and scored better and outplayed us in the end.

I think you have to be careful of placing too much solice in playing well for 50-59 minutes and losing..as we have done repeatedly in our loses.

It gives you a false sense that you are better than you are. When all that matter in the NFL is W-L.

There are no style points, no awarding of points for piling up TOP or other stats.

I also think you have to focus on one game at a time and see if you sense an uptick or a flatline.

I think I'm sensing flatline..that's all.

Hoping I'm wrong.

We'll see.

parcellswaterboy

 

[lcharles]

Thanks. :zzz: :hammock:

 

[SultanOfSix]

Damn. I thought this thread was about beautiful women on sandy beaches.

 

[Qwickdraw]

Cowboys > Giants

period.

 

[AsthmaField]

We are?

Is our OL currently better than theirs? No
Is our running game/running back better? No
Are Key/Glenn better than Burress/Toomer? Not according to stats and production.
Is our QB better? By production and rank, yes, but certainly their guy is more mobile, sacked less, and given much more time.
Is Witten better than Shockey? No, imo...I'd call it a wash though Shockey seems to have a propensity for bigger downfield plays.

Is our DL better than theirs? Deeper maybe, better...nope...we'd love to have either of their DEs and overal pass rush.
Are our LBs better than theirs? No, certainly not at this point.
Is our secondary better than theirs? Yes, definitely when Henry is healthy and true even now.

Is our kicker better? No...even with Feeley's 3 misses on Sunday, he's missed only 5 all year.
Is our punter better? potentially yes, but has the guy had a single game where he punted as well as he was in preseason?

I think we can win if we can protect Bledsoe and protect the football, but to argue that we are hands down a better team than the Giants is a little silly right now, imo...They've gone about building that team in the right way, and it looks like it will be the Cowboys and Giants for the next few years in the NFC EAst.

To me the better question would be how we match up with them.

What I mean is, instead of do we have a better DL than them... it would be do we have a better DL than they have OL.

If you want to see which team might have more success over the course of a season then you need to look at it like, "Who has the better QB?" and "Which OL is better?" However, if you want to look at who should win the battle in the trenches between Dallas and NY... I think you should look at their OL vs. our DL. Our DL vs. their OL. Will the Cowboys be able to pass? Look at their DB's vs. our WR's. This is the best way, IMO to look at a matchup between two teams.

So I'll look at the Dallas/NYG game in that fashion:

Is our OL better than their DL? Decidedly no. This matchup concerns me... particularly their ends vs. our tackles. Still, we will provide help with TE's and chipping backs. We can protect Bledsoe like that, but it will lean us towards a more conservative approach because the max protect will be bringing receivers out of the passing routes to block. We will be able to max protect, but the run blocking is what worries me... we may not be able to generate any running room for our backs. They should come with some run blitzes which will muck up the running game. With some runs to the perimeter and some play action passes... and possibly some screens, we should be able to counter that tactic though. I guess this matchup will come down to who's playing better and game planning. The chess game between their D and our O should provide the winner of this battle. Advantage Giants

Are our WR's better than their DB's? I think the answer is yes. Their defensive backfield is nothing to get too worried about, although they can play well with the pressure the front 4 can generate. Glenn's speed and Keyshawn's physical game will be a hard matchup for the Giants. Throw in Crayton who I think is (if healthy) way better than their 3rd CB and we could have quite a bit of success passing the ball. If Bledsoe and the receivers are clicking tomorrow... it could turn out to be a very long day for the giants defensive backs. Throw in Witten who could kill the Giants in the middle of the field where they've been vulnerable, and I think we have a lot of potential to move the ball through the air. Advantage Cowboys

Is the three headed RB of Dallas better than the LB's and Safeties of the Giants? Again, I think the answer is yes. The Giants linebackers and safties aren't anything special, although they are solid. But our backs, with all three able to stay fresh as the game wears on, are a little more than solid. Think how opposing defensive coordinators must feel when getting ready for JJ, MBIII, and TT. Jones and TT both have the ability to take it all the way on any carry and MBIII is just a tough, tough runner who wears down a defense. If we're able to sustain drives, our stable of RB's could start to really wear on the Giants by the end of the 3rd quarter. Of course the OL will help determine the outcome of this matchup as well, but our backs are going to have to beat their LB's and Safeties some man on man. Advantage Cowboys

Is the Dallas DL better than the Giants OL? Yes. We have talent there. We have depth there. We have better athletes than the Giants do on their OL. As the game wears on, we should be able to wear down the Giants OL. We have held some very good running teams to some low yardage (Seattle, Denver, San Diego) and I don't see why tomorrow should be any different. Our DL is physical and that starts to take it's toll... even without the superior depth the Cowboys have on their DL. Advantage Cowboys

How do our DB's match up with their WR's? With Henry, I see this as a matchup that favors Dallas. Without him, I don't know. The Giants WR's really don't scare me very much. Plaxico only worries me from the standpoint of jump ball types of scenarios. He really lacks quickness in and out of his cuts and can't get much separation. Both Newman and Glenn have extreme quicks so they'll be close to Plax when the ball is coming. If they let Burress get position, he can shield the DB effectively from the ball. He's like Keyshawn in that he doesn't get open with quickness but with his size he catches it when he's covered. Toomer is less of a threat and never really seems to have good days against the Cowboys... maybe because in the last few years, he's been "Roy'ed" a few times by our SS. Funny, I haven't seen Toomer push Roy in the back since he did it a couple of years ago... Speaking of Williams, he'll have to be on his game tomorrow. Shockey and Tiki will both take turns being Roy's responsibility throughout the day and I think those two matchups are going to go a long way toward determining the outcome of the game. Shockey got shut out nearly the whole game earlier against Dallas, but then right at the end of the game, he was able to get free and catch a couple on Roy. That's the way it goes for DB's... shut them out all game and then allow a long pass and you lose the battle for the day. Not fair, but that's the way it is. I see this as pretty even with Henry on the sideline. Advantage Even

Tiki Vs. Dallas LB's and Safeties? This is a tough one. I think Tiki is one of the better backs in the NFL and is a great receiving back. Great at cutbacks and screens. Roy Williams is probably the best run support safety in the NFL though. Roy has yet to catch Tiki flush with a hit. It's will enentually happen and when it does, it may not be pretty for Tiki. Just ask Emmitt. Tomorrow might be that day. Ware has become a very good player against the run too, which is impressive for a rookie pass rush specialist. It's hard to run on Ware's side of the line. Fujita is another story. The last couple of weeks, teams have found success running right. I've watched Fujita and he hasn't impressed me... particularly with his run defense. Burnett might be a tad slow learning as a rookie and better suited for ILB, but he's twice the athlete Fujita is and I think he's going to see more and more playing time as he eases into Fujita's position. Still, in this game Tiki running right will be a very real concern. As little as Barber is, he's always done a lot of damage on runs up the middle and is dangerous on cutbacks. Bradie James and Scott Shanle and even Fowler have been very solid against the run. I don't think Tiki will find much success up the middle. Really, the only time we've given up much running through the middle is when Dallas is in it's nickel 4-3. Just like last week when Dayne ran through the middle of the line when we were expecting pass. Overall, the Dallas backers have been very hard to run against and I don't see this week being any different. Advantage Cowboys

Special Teams? I think this favors Dallas and the Vikings would agree with me since they won their game with the Giants on special teams. Special teams boils down to this: Our kicker sucks less than theirs. Advantage Cowboys

Coaching? I'll call this one even, although I do think Parcells is better than Coughlin. The assistants even it out though. Advantage Even

Home field? Advantage Giants

It isn't as easy as doing this and then counting up the "advantage Cowboys" and the "advantage giants" and then doing the math. There are just too many variables that go into a football game. Momentum. The Crowd. Gameplans. Wind and weather. Injuries. Coaching decisions.

Still, by doing this you can get some rough idea of who might have the advantage with all other things being equal. Certainly, the fact that there are 5 "advantage Cowboys", 2 "advantage Giants" and 2 "advantage Even" is better for the Cowboys than for the Giants. I'm sure a lot of you will see it differently, but that really is how I see it. I think that if Dallas doesn't have a lot of turnovers or penalties and they simply play their game... the Cowboys should walk out of the Meadowlands with not only a victory, but with the East all but sewn up.

 

[DragonSoul]

The Dallas Cowboys are a better team than the New York Giants.

Period.

Nice too live in a dream world isnt it. At least try to use some facts before you make that argument.

 

[DragonSoul]

Dallas' collapse was a bad pass and decision by Bledsoe. We pretty much controlled that game even though not by much. I think the Ginats controlled them somewhat also, but not like we did. We controlled the giants at home, should have won by 14.

Actually we both had 4 turnovers in our game, but the problem was we gave 3 of them inside the redzone, if we kept one it would of been over. The game was decided by a coin flip. The cowboys nor the giants controlled that game so dont fool yourself.

We owned Seattle, if it wasnt for feely the L would of been a W. It took Alexander 5 quarters to get over 100 yards rushing and it wasnt impressive. Also the reason they got pts on us was because our rookie was starting and got rookied, deloatch was in the hospital earlier in the week, they had deloatch playing nickle but towards the end replaced webster with deloatch. Why do you think everyone said we out played Seattle?

Walter Jones hasnt allowed a sack in 2 years. Last week he gave up 2 to Osi.

 

[DragonSoul]

dude, noone has ran against us, I think we can put that fear to bed

Actually Tiki ran well on you guys, but TC screwed up and got away from it. Tiki had 64 rushing yards on you on 14 attempts which was 4.6 yards an attempt.

 

[32BellyOption]

I think Dallas has the better "D" and the Giants the better "O". Special teams a push. Playing in NY I give the slight edge to NY. If Bledsoe doesn't throw picks for TD's Dallas has a chance. Also, if Dallas gets the lead, we'd better go for the kill shot and not just sit on our lead. If we do that NY kicks a GW FG with seconds remaining.

If we do lose, it's gonna be a dogfight for a wildcard! If we win, we're in the drivers seat and own the tie breaker with NY! HUGE, huge game!

 

[FLCowboyFan]

I am relaxed now. Just found out that Fox has the singleheader this week and the only game I will be getting is the Commanders and the rams. Since I am working the night before and have the work Sunday night. I will just sleep and hope when I get up, Dallas has prevailed.

No heart stopping game for me to see this week.

That is a really cool graphic.....where did you get it? Is there a link to get this every week? It sure beats the ways that I figure out if the game is on in the area I am in.

 

[DragonSoul]

I think Dallas has the better "D" and the Giants the better "O". Special teams a push. Playing in NY I give the slight edge to NY. If Bledsoe doesn't throw picks for TD's Dallas has a chance. Also, if Dallas gets the lead, we'd better go for the kill shot and not just sit on our lead. If we do that NY kicks a GW FG with seconds remaining.

If we do lose, it's gonna be a dogfight for a wildcard! If we win, we're in the drivers seat and own the tie breaker with NY! HUGE, huge game!

Your defense has allowd 20 less points then ours. But our worst game was against SD when we gave up over 40 pts. We are 6th in the league in rushing defense, and tied 2nd in the league in Turnovers. I think the defense is a push but if you want too go strictly by pts allowed i wouldnt argue that point too much.

I do think our ST is better, we were leading the league in kr yards, before feelys lapse of kicking ability last week he was nearly flawless with i believe only 2 misses out of 25 attempts & those 2 were over 50 yards. Right now in the nfl feely is 2nd in kicking fgs through behind the Arizona kicker.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Your defense has allowd 20 less points then ours. But our worst game was against SD when we gave up over 40 pts. We are 6th in the league in rushing defense, and tied 2nd in the league in Turnovers. I think the defense is a push but if you want too go strictly by pts allowed i wouldnt argue that point too much.

we have the league's 5th best D, how exactly is that a push?

 

[percyhoward]

Cowboys are 4-2 at home, Giants are 6-1.

Cowboys are 3-2 on the road, Giants are 1-3.

That's a pretty good stat that, while it may or may not apply to this particular upcoming game, definitely says a lot about which is the better team, the more consistent team, and the team most likely to advance in the playoffs.

 

[kojak]

That is a really cool graphic.....where did you get it? Is there a link to get this every week? It sure beats the ways that I figure out if the game is on in the area I am in.

http://www.gribblenation.net/personal/jp/2005maps.html

Here is the link. It tells you which station has the double header, and who has the singleheader.

And they usally have it posted and updated towards the latter half of the week. Usally around thursday of friday.

 

[Givincer]

Actually we both had 4 turnovers in our game, but the problem was we gave 3 of them inside the redzone, if we kept one it would of been over. The game was decided by a coin flip. The cowboys nor the giants controlled that game so dont fool yourself.

So it wasn't the Giants who were 0 for 9 in the 4th quarter on 3rd down conversions...?

 

[DragonSoul]

we have the league's 5th best D, how exactly is that a push?

Because if your going by the NFLs BS of ranking defenses its silly. They go by total yards allowed, and most knowledgable people will say Pts count not yds. I rather have 30 pts a game with 250 yds then 450 yds and 17 pts a game get my drift? Then you have too add the fact that we are tops in TO diff which most consider a very big stat as well. Plus our rush defense is top 6.

So dont buy the hype about yds, look at pts allowed and the other intangibles. Aikmans Effic. Ratings is working with a formula and its actually pretty good. Its not based on yards. You should check it out.

 

[DragonSoul]

Cowboys are 4-2 at home, Giants are 6-1.

Cowboys are 3-2 on the road, Giants are 1-3.

That's a pretty good stat that, while it may or may not apply to this particular upcoming game, definitely says a lot about which is the better team, the more consistent team, and the team most likely to advance in the playoffs.

Look more in depth about those games.

 

[DragonSoul]

So it wasn't the Giants who were 0 for 9 in the 4th quarter on 3rd down conversions...?

Hey i said it from the begining it was a real ugly game by both teams, but your team came out of it, hats off to the cowboys, a win is a win is a win, but if you think u guys out classed us, or beat us significantly then i dont know what game you watched because other realistic cowboy fans said it was an ugly game by both sides, and anyone could of won that game. Again 3 redzone turnovers, if we kept any of them there woulf of been no OT.

Btw our deefense has improved since then.

 

[Alexander]

Look more in depth about those games.

Okay.

Can we look more in depth at the extra home game you had against the Saints while we are at it? How about that brutal home game against St. Louis? Don't even get me started about the punishing force that is Arizona.

 

[Givincer]

Hey i said it from the begining it was a real ugly game by both teams, but your team came out of it, hats off to the cowboys, a win is a win is a win, but if you think u guys out classed us, or beat us significantly then i dont know what game you watched because other realistic cowboy fans said it was an ugly game by both sides, and anyone could of won that game. Again 3 redzone turnovers, if we kept any of them there woulf of been no OT.

Btw our deefense has improved since then.

We had 3 turnovers in the first half and you had zero at halftime we lead 7-6 we must have been doing something right. I'm not saying the game was pretty I'm saying the score should've been a lot wider of a margin with the way we were driving the field. You can go back and look at the total yardage through the first 3.5 qtrs of the game it wasn't even close...