Relegation

[JBS]

Its not the same. IN soccer they basically just sit there and pass the ball backwards and dont even try to score.

Happens in football all the time..they run run run and don't even try to score...sometimes they keep the ball for 4-6 game mins (like 30 real life mins) and the game ends and they don't even try to score

 

[CowboyRoy]

But it's ok for dallas to get a lead and play keep away in American football?

Kick the ball back to the goalie and he just sits there with it. I got more you want it?

There is virtually no coaching what so ever. You get what 2 subs a half at most? What is there for a coach to do while the game is going on beside put his hands together like he is reading a book and complain. Or throw up his hands when his team misses an easy goal.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Happens in football all the time..they run run run and don't even try to score...sometimes they keep the ball for 4-6 game mins (like 30 real life mins) and the game ends and they don't even try to score

Similar, but not remotely the same. And you got to be up big in football for that to really happen. Two goal lead and the game is pretty much toast in soccer. And even when the football team is trying to run out the clock, you got all players on both teams firing and involved in the action. Not a couple guys kicking around for keep away.

 

[JBS]

Kick the ball back to the goalie and he just sits there with it. I got more you want it?

There is virtually no coaching what so ever. You get what 2 subs a half at most? What is there for a coach to do while the game is going on beside put his hands together like he is reading a book and complain. Or throw up his hands when his team misses an easy goal.

Hahahahahaha

This is hysterical....

What does jason garrett do? All he does is clap his hands...

 

[JBS]

Similar, but not remotely the same. And you got to be up big in football for that to really happen. Two goal lead and the game is pretty much toast in soccer. And even when the football team is trying to run out the clock, you got all players on both teams firing and involved in the action. Not a couple guys kicking around for keep away.

Up big to play keep away in the nfl? You have to be up one score and have the ball...and the objective is to NOT give the ball back to the other team

 

[erod]

Its not the same. IN soccer they basically just sit there and pass the ball backwards and dont even try to score.

Sounds like a Browns-Jets game. LOL

 

[erod]

Ill watch "club soccer" and see if it is any more exciting.

I also forgot the most annoying thing about soccer. Once someone gets a 2 goal league they simply sit on the lead and play keep away. Or when people are perfectly happy to play for a tie. Often during games the motivation is NOT to lose instead of winning. Teams tie and they are jumping for joy.

Watch Barcelona or Real Madrid. Those teams are for you.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Hahahahahaha

This is hysterical....

What does jason garrett do? All he does is clap his hands...

ahahahaha!!!! You got me there. I wont argue with Garrett doing nothing.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Up big to play keep away in the nfl? You have to be up one score and have the ball...and the objective is to NOT give the ball back to the other team

Yah, by moving down the field, not sitting there or going backwards. That is also why you save your timeouts. In any sport there is going to be some degree of slowing down and using the clock. But in Soccer it is by far the worst.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Up big to play keep away in the nfl? You have to be up one score and have the ball...and the objective is to NOT give the ball back to the other team

Are you telling me that you like Soccer better than Football?

 

[9darter]

Soccer hasnt changed one bit since the old days.

It has changed so much that I don't even know where to start. Back in the day you'd see scores like 17-1 (Danish national team record win over France) and so on.

Soccer has been something different each decade.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It has changed so much that I don't even know where to start. Back in the day you'd see scores like 17-1 (Danish national team record win over France) and so on.

Soccer has been something different each decade.

Different rules? What has changed

 

[USMarineVet]

Relegation is very interesting but not in the NFL. It would change the whole dynamic of the draft. With relegation you would have at least 2 leagues drafting from the same player pool and that in itself would dilute the talent of the game.

 

[unionjack8]

Can't imagine such a concept would go over very well with season ticket holders in any sport...does soccer have season ticket holders? If their team becomes a minor league team, do they get a discount? What about for the teams entering the "Bigs"? Just don't see the plausibility of it.

Yes there are season ticket holders. At some clubs people have them handed down through generations after death because the wait lists are truly numbering into the tens of thousands.

I had a season ticket at my local club for twenty years before I moved to Toronto. I miss those Saturday's following my team up and down the country more than anything.

Prices vary according to supply and demand and typically yes, if a club gets relegated they either freeze ticket prices or have to drop them in order to attract the same volume of people.

A major difference is tv viewing. Whilst most premier league games are accessible on tv here in North America most games played on a Saturday in England are NOT live on tv. They have one game on a Saturday at 5pm live on Sky, a couple on Sunday and maybe one on a Monday night.

None of the 3pm Saturday games are in tv. If you want to watch it you go to a game.

None of the lower league games are live on tv, except for the odd game and playoffs.

It's apples and oranges to compare the two sports but you will never experience an atmosphere like a real "football" game. The noise can be off the charts. Seattles 12th man has nothing on a Rangers/Celtic sound or any local derby for that matter.

 

[JBS]

Yes there are season ticket holders. At some clubs people have them handed down through generations after death because the wait lists are truly numbering into the tens of thousands.

I had a season ticket at my local club for twenty years before I moved to Toronto. I miss those Saturday's following my team up and down the country more than anything.

Prices vary according to supply and demand and typically yes, if a club gets relegated they either freeze ticket prices or have to drop them in order to attract the same volume of people.

A major difference is tv viewing. Whilst most premier league games are accessible on tv here in North America most games played on a Saturday in England are NOT live on tv. They have one game on a Saturday at 5pm live on Sky, a couple on Sunday and maybe one on a Monday night.

None of the 3pm Saturday games are in tv. If you want to watch it you go to a game.

None of the lower league games are live on tv, except for the odd game and playoffs.

It's apples and oranges to compare the two sports but you will never experience an atmosphere like a real "football" game. The noise can be off the charts. Seattles 12th man has nothing on a Rangers/Celtic sound or any local derby for that matter.

This is what was the most mind boggling thing I heard while in England...our coverage of the premier league here in the states is better than the coverage in England..granted, I understand the reasoning behind it...IE lower league matches would generate no viewership...but it still was and is crazy to me...I'm very very thankful for how great nbc sports premier league coverage is here in the states

 

[Turf Toe]

relegation makes a lot of sense in college football

 

[JPostSam]

There is constant action.

There isn't a series that gets interrupted with 3-4 minutes of commercials every 5-10 minutes.




Soccer is all about trying to pick your way through a defense and it's not a simple thing to do. It's a chess match much like the NFL.

You have to learn the game so you can enjoy the build up for that goal otherwise it just looks like a bunch of guys kicking the ball around doing nothing.

"constant action"?!

if playing keepaway for nearly three hours in a 0-0 draw is your idea of action, sure.

 

[fortdick]

The communists finally won!

 

[Derinyar]

In US sports relegation makes no sense at all. Its set up in an entirely different fashion. None of the main sports have a competitive league that's anywhere close. I'm guessing either EPL soccer does have a league that is close to the bottom edge of competition or they just move in and out teams with no legitimate chance to compete for the sake of saying they're doing it.

I've seen several people mention baseball and that just shows a little lack of understanding for how minor league baseball works. There's independent league baseball but its probably somewhere below A ball and maybe to college. The affiliated minor leagues just aren't a viable idea for putting into the MLB, as they have no players of their own. Same thing holds true for NHL to my understanding.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

In US sports relegation makes no sense at all. Its set up in an entirely different fashion. None of the main sports have a competitive league that's anywhere close. I'm guessing either EPL soccer does have a league that is close to the bottom edge of competition or they just move in and out teams with no legitimate chance to compete for the sake of saying they're doing it.

I've seen several people mention baseball and that just shows a little lack of understanding for how minor league baseball works. There's independent league baseball but its probably somewhere below A ball and maybe to college. The affiliated minor leagues just aren't a viable idea for putting into the MLB, as they have no players of their own. Same thing holds true for NHL to my understanding.

yea, I admit I'm not an expert or even remotely interested in soccer, but when someone suggests this idea, I wonder are they just bored or do they really not understand why this would not work. It could work in college sports because there are 100+ teams, just like in soccer where there are 184 teams between the 6 leagues. How does this idea work with 32 teams? How is it not a colossally poor idea when you realize the fan interest and TV dollars for the inferior league would diminish, while not necessarily increasing the value of the superior league? And given the amount of parity in the NFL, as opposed to soccer, where Manchester United has been the champion 13 times in the last 24 years, how is this remotely a good idea.