Replacing Odigy

[Creeper]

I think Odighizuwa is going to get something like $17 million per year. Maybe more. I don't think Jerry will want to pay him that much. He will sign Golston instead. Golston will probably take less than half of that. But if Golston gets any offers in the $8 million range, I think he leaves as well.

The good news is free agency is over before the drat so we'll know where we stand when we are on the clock in April.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Every QB in the league plays worse when they are pressured... that's statistically proven. And Osa generates pressure at one of the better rates in the league. You don't need to sack the QB to affect the offense.

Osa's 26 years old, has no major injuries, and has 3 years of pretty much identical production, so he's a proven quantity. He's a day 1 pass rush upgrade who will be in his peak through the life of his contract (or at least through the guaranteed money). Someone is going to pay more than Zoners think for him.

 

[cnuball21]

Every QB in the league plays worse when they are pressured... that's statistically proven. And Osa generates pressure at one of the better rates in the league. You don't need to sack the QB to affect the offense.

Osa's 26 years old, has no major injuries, and has 3 years of pretty much identical production, so he's a proven quantity. He's a day 1 pass rush upgrade who will be in his peak through the life of his contract (or at least the guarantees). Someone is going to pay more than Zoners think for him.

Yup - the DT room is a blinking red light as a need so I’d be hard pressed to let a good one go.

We should be doing everything we can to improve that room as a whole. Letting Osa walk is a step backwards IMO.

 

[Proof]

I’d guess 15 mil per year is the floor and wouldn’t be surprised if he gets upwards of 20.

He’s so incredibly underrated. One of the top 10 3Ts in football at a position where rookies typically take a few years to develop.

losing him would mean even a highly rated drafted DT's impact won't be as drastic as hoped


also, in my mind it's O-Diggy. I read it like prodigy, and for the life of me couldn't figure out who/what it was initially lol

 

[Proof]

And I choose to have a brain and realize it doesn't matter what someone's pass rush win rate is on Osa. It doesn't change his actual production. He can have the highest. He can have the lowest. He still gave you 13.5 sacks in 4 years as a starting 3 tech.

Comparing him to Jalen Carter shows how clueless you are and why you look at meaningless things like a mythical and subjective pass rush win rate.

to be fair, comparing him to carter was to highlight how sacks don't tell the whole story since they had the same amount. it kinda makes his point

 

[Risen Star]

to be fair, comparing him to carter was to highlight how sacks don't tell the whole story since they had the same amount. it kinda makes his point

Not really. Jalen Carter had a down year and still was in the ballpark of Osa's career year in sacks. He's on pace to double the production Osa has put up in 4 years and he's an infinitely better player against the run.

It is laughable to compare the two.

 

[Risen Star]

And you can't be a good starting 3 tech if you don't get to the QB. You just can't.

He's had 4 years and this past year is his best. Was it that great? It wasn't. Unless you're looking at meaningless things like subjective pass rush win rates that didn't lead to much.

If he signs the first week of free agency that team will regret it.

 

[Proof]

Not really. Jalen Carter had a down year and still was in the ballpark of Osa's career year in sacks. He's on pace to double the production Osa has put up in 4 years and he's an infinitely better player against the run.

It is laughable to compare the two.

I guess. The guys been in the league for two years, so have a hard time calling it a down year. it's not my argument though, so have at it.

 

[cnuball21]

losing him would mean even a highly rated drafted DT's impact won't be as drastic as hoped


also, in my mind it's O-Diggy. I read it like prodigy, and for the life of me couldn't figure out who/what it was initially lol

Yup - 100% agree.

 

[cnuball21]

And I choose to have a brain and realize it doesn't matter what someone's pass rush win rate is on Osa. It doesn't change his actual production. He can have the highest. He can have the lowest. He still gave you 13.5 sacks in 4 years as a starting 3 tech.

Comparing him to Jalen Carter shows how clueless you are and why you look at meaningless things like a mythical and subjective pass rush win rate.

I completely disregarded any advanced metrics and used the “sacks are end all be all” approach when comparing to him to Carter.

I literally tailored it to suit your narrative and now Im clueless.

Happy posting!

 

[Risen Star]

I completely disregarded any advanced metrics and used the “sacks are end all be all” approach when comparing to him to Carter.

I literally tailored it to suit your narrative and now Im clueless.

Happy posting!

Carter's on a pace to double Osa's production in actual real stats that mean something.

And that's just as a pass rusher. As a run defender he's probably three times the player.

And when I say "the player" I'm talking about the guy you said was one of the most underrated players in the entire league.

 

[cnuball21]

Carter's on a pace to double Osa's production in actual real stats that mean something.

And that's just as a pass rusher. As a run defender he's probably three times the player.

And when I say "the player" I'm talking about the guy you said was one of the most underrated players in the entire league.

You only value old school statistics, I value old school statistics + advanced metrics in my evaluation as I see it as a more holistic approach.

If you disagree just say you disagree. I don’t think the condescending rhetoric is necessary.

 

[Risen Star]

You only value old school statistics, I value old school statistics + advanced metrics in my evaluation as I see it as a more holistic approach.

If you disagree just say you disagree. I don’t think the condescending rhetoric is necessary.

I value real statistics that lead to actual production. Whether Osa had the yeehaw highest pass rush win rate determined by a set of dorks or he had the lowest, his actual production...or what that pass rush success led to....is mediocre at best for a 4 year starting 3 tech.

Where am I losing you?

 

[Creeper]

The Cowboys may have to draft a DT because the free agents are not that great. At this point it looks like Milton Williams, Odighizuwa, and Levi Onwuzurike are the best potential free agents this year. I like Williams coming out of college and I still like him I would love to sign him and Osa. If I had to choose between the two it would be a tough choice but I might lean towards Osa.

The thing about Williams though is he is playing behind two top 13 picks in Philly. He would play full time in Dallas.

 

[cnuball21]

I value real statistics that lead to actual production. Whether Osa had the yeehaw highest pass rush win rate determined by a set of dorks or he had the lowest, his actual production...or what that pass rush success led to....is mediocre at best for a 4 year starting 3 tech.

Where am I losing you?

You haven’t lost me…I completely understand you now.

Have a nice week!

 

[TNCowboy]

The Cowboys have a massive hole at 1 tech, at both spots if they let Osa go. Basically, nothing left but a bust in Mazi, some street free agents, and one of the oldest DTs in the league, if he decides to keep playing. LOL looking at how good TB, Philly, Washington are at DT vs. our sad situation.

 

[Risen Star]

The Cowboys have a massive hole at 1 tech, at both spots if they let Osa go. Basically, nothing left but a bust in Mazi, some street free agents, and one of the oldest DTs in the league, if he decides to keep playing. LOL looking at how good TB, Philly, Washington are at DT vs. our sad situation.

Having two holes at DT is better than giving a 2nd contract to Osa that he will never live up to.

Yeah this is what happens when you be haven't valued the position for many years.

 

[cnuball21]

The Cowboys have a massive hole at 1 tech, at both spots if they let Osa go. Basically, nothing left but a bust in Mazi, some street free agents, and one of the oldest DTs in the league, if he decides to keep playing. LOL looking at how good TB, Philly, Washington are at DT vs. our sad situation.

Time will tell what we do with Osa…we just gotta hope Mazi continues to develop and takes another step next year AND we land one. of the top DTs who can help year 1.

If Osa walks, would love to see them at least try to bring in a solid vet.

 

[Stardog]

Give me Deone Walker in the 2nd and I’d be happy.