Replacing the culture of losing

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I think this is one of the most important aspects the team needs to look at going forward, and another reason why I am pleased that we're going in a new direction with veteran players.

This team has had a culture of losing games since we got beat by Minnesota in 2009. Defenses that blew huge leads in the 3rd and 4th quarter of games.

I don't want to entirely blame the defense, but the defense has been the largest culprit.

PPG Rank

2010 (6-10)
OFF: 7th
DEF: 31st

2011 (8-8)
OFF: 15th
DEF: 16th

2012 (8-8)
OFF: 15th
DEF: 24th

2013 (8-8)
OFF: 5th
DEF: 26th

Average
OFF: 10.5
DEF: 24.25

Clearly the defense is what is predominantly holding us back. Even when this team scores 49 points, we still manage to lose by giving up 51 points...

The defense currently doesn't have a single starter from that 2010 team. You have to go back as to 2011 when Sean Lee became a starter (but even then he was a part time starter). This team will have at a minimum 4 new starters (depending on whether or not you consider Selvie a legitimate starter and whether or not Spencer is eventually resigned and starts). I think Durant is likely gone, which takes us to 5 new starters. I think you can call Wilcox a new starter as well, which takes us to 6 new starters, which is over half the defense. The core of the defense that has remained has always been that defensive line.

Point is we should look and play very differently next year and that shouldn't be overlooked.

To give you a sense of the snap count that we're looking at, Brandon Carr had 1116 snaps as a full time healthy starter on our defense. Wilcox had 515 snaps and Jeff Heath had 594 snaps. Even our depth should look a lot better on defense next year, hopefully with guys like Selvie, Bass, Mincey, and Crawford coming off the bench.

With your defensive line, you're basically looking for your top 8. Let's take a look at our depth:

Benchmark Hayden was a starter and had 821 snaps on defense (Hatcher had 747 snaps and Selvie had 744, with Ware coming in at 628).

1. Jarius Wynn 275 snaps (Is Mincey better than Wynn?)
2. Drake Nevis 254 snaps (Is Terrell McClain better than Nevis?)
3. Everette Brown 153 snaps (Is Tyrone Crawford better than Brown?)
4. Caesar Rayford 144 snaps (Is Ben Bass better than Rayford and did Rayford play inside or outside, I can't remember how that played out).
5. Corvey Irvin 117 snaps
6. Edgar Jones 72 snaps
7. MISC 246 snaps

Total of 1261 snaps: Basically looking at two extra starters.


It was obvious what we did in the last draft, rather than add a bunch of pieces on defense where we didn't really know what we had, we focused instead on the offense, drafting a Center, Wide Receiver, Tight End, and Running Back.

The idea was to stock up on what was a known solid.

I would say that for the most part the offense focus worked, except for the fact that the team still doesn't know how to put its foot on the accelerator until it needs to. I think the squarely goes on the coaching, which is why it is nice to have Linehan here, just for a change of pace.

The first three draft picks in last years draft was all offense, I'm not convinced that the defense will get that same attention, but it should be close. I think we're going to need to get at least 3 defensive starters from this draft combined with undrafted free agency. I think from last years draft crop Holloman and Wilcox have the chance to start. Then there is Henry Melton that we just signed. That is potentially a total of 6 new starters right there. Also I wouldn't be entirely surprised if we find a starter or two in free agency after the draft.

OTC currently has us at 6.42 million under the cap. On the one hand, this doesn't include resigning Smith or Bryant, on the other hand it doesn't include the savings we will get on June 1st once Austin's base salary comes off the books. That brings us another 5 million dollars of cap space, which is a total of 11.42 million dollars. That actually gives us quite a bit of space to sign some undervalued free agents when the time comes. 3-4 million dollar a year type deals. So don't flip out that we don't sign a guy like Jared Allen to more than he is worth.

We don't need a top 5 defense next year (though that would be nice). What we need is a top 15 defense and a top 10 offense (that is consistent).

I think those things can be accomplished.
 

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I think this is one of the most important aspects the team needs to look at going forward, and another reason why I am pleased that we're going in a new direction with veteran players.

This team has had a culture of losing games since we got beat by Minnesota in 2009. Defenses that blew huge leads in the 3rd and 4th quarter of games.

I don't want to entirely blame the defense, but the defense has been the largest culprit.

PPG Rank

2010 (6-10)
OFF: 7th
DEF: 31st

2011 (8-8)
OFF: 15th
DEF: 16th

2012 (8-8)
OFF: 15th
DEF: 24th

2013 (8-8)
OFF: 5th
DEF: 26th

Average
OFF: 10.5
DEF: 24.25

Clearly the defense is what is predominantly holding us back. Even when this team scores 49 points, we still manage to lose by giving up 51 points...

The defense currently doesn't have a single starter from that 2010 team. You have to go back as to 2011 when Sean Lee became a starter (but even then he was a part time starter). This team will have at a minimum 4 new starters (depending on whether or not you consider Selvie a legitimate starter and whether or not Spencer is eventually resigned and starts). I think Durant is likely gone, which takes us to 5 new starters. I think you can call Wilcox a new starter as well, which takes us to 6 new starters, which is over half the defense. The core of the defense that has remained has always been that defensive line.

Point is we should look and play very differently next year and that shouldn't be overlooked.

To give you a sense of the snap count that we're looking at, Brandon Carr had 1116 snaps as a full time healthy starter on our defense. Wilcox had 515 snaps and Jeff Heath had 594 snaps. Even our depth should look a lot better on defense next year, hopefully with guys like Selvie, Bass, Mincey, and Crawford coming off the bench.

With your defensive line, you're basically looking for your top 8. Let's take a look at our depth:

Benchmark Hayden was a starter and had 821 snaps on defense (Hatcher had 747 snaps and Selvie had 744, with Ware coming in at 628).

1. Jarius Wynn 275 snaps (Is Mincey better than Wynn?)
2. Drake Nevis 254 snaps (Is Terrell McClain better than Nevis?)
3. Everette Brown 153 snaps (Is Tyrone Crawford better than Brown?)
4. Caesar Rayford 144 snaps (Is Ben Bass better than Rayford and did Rayford play inside or outside, I can't remember how that played out).
5. Corvey Irvin 117 snaps
6. Edgar Jones 72 snaps
7. MISC 246 snaps

Total of 1261 snaps: Basically looking at two extra starters.


It was obvious what we did in the last draft, rather than add a bunch of pieces on defense where we didn't really know what we had, we focused instead on the offense, drafting a Center, Wide Receiver, Tight End, and Running Back.

The idea was to stock up on what was a known solid.

I would say that for the most part the offense focus worked, except for the fact that the team still doesn't know how to put its foot on the accelerator until it needs to. I think the squarely goes on the coaching, which is why it is nice to have Linehan here, just for a change of pace.

The first three draft picks in last years draft was all offense, I'm not convinced that the defense will get that same attention, but it should be close. I think we're going to need to get at least 3 defensive starters from this draft combined with undrafted free agency. I think from last years draft crop Holloman and Wilcox have the chance to start. Then there is Henry Melton that we just signed. That is potentially a total of 6 new starters right there. Also I wouldn't be entirely surprised if we find a starter or two in free agency after the draft.

OTC currently has us at 6.42 million under the cap. On the one hand, this doesn't include resigning Smith or Bryant, on the other hand it doesn't include the savings we will get on June 1st once Austin's base salary comes off the books. That brings us another 5 million dollars of cap space, which is a total of 11.42 million dollars. That actually gives us quite a bit of space to sign some undervalued free agents when the time comes. 3-4 million dollar a year type deals. So don't flip out that we don't sign a guy like Jared Allen to more than he is worth.

We don't need a top 5 defense next year (though that would be nice). What we need is a top 15 defense and a top 10 offense (that is consistent).

I think those things can be accomplished.



Who do you have as the starting dl?
 

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I don't mean to simplify your numbers because this is a good post but we need someone to clean clocks across the middle.on defense and thats where the numbers sag on defense "I think" I know how important it is to harass the Qb but the damn middle of the field has been free pickins forever now and this could be the year for a high pick on safety.
I think we get LB and safety pretty early and wait till the 3rd round to get a DL just to mess with peoples heads.
 

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Good thoughtful post. The cycle the last few years is to alternate between offense and defense the first three rounds.
 

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OTC currently has us at 6.42 million under the cap. On the one hand, this doesn't include resigning Smith or Bryant, on the other hand it doesn't include the savings we will get on June 1st once Austin's base salary comes off the books. That brings us another 5 million dollars of cap space, which is a total of 11.42 million dollars. That actually gives us quite a bit of space to sign some undervalued free agents when the time comes. 3-4 million dollar a year type deals. So don't flip out that we don't sign a guy like Jared Allen to more than he is worth.

We don't need a top 5 defense next year (though that would be nice). What we need is a top 15 defense and a top 10 offense (that is consistent).

I think those things can be accomplished.

Austin's money is likely to be used to sign the draftees so we can't really count on that for FA's...but, good post...and I agree that with an improved defense (not a top tiered one), this team could do well

need to stay healthy
 

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I would say that for the most part the offense focus worked, except for the fact that the team still doesn't know how to put its foot on the accelerator until it needs to. I think the squarely goes on the coaching, which is why it is nice to have Linehan here, just for a change of pace.

Not ignoring what you said about the defense, but what you said about the offense is pretty much on target IMO. The biggest frustration with this team is watching this offense play below their potential so often in much of a game.

For me I had no expectations most of the year with the injury riddled defense. It was the offense that drove me nuts. And that is on the coaches for the most part. And its why I feel that Red _ doesnt really have what it takes to be a successful HC in this league.
 

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but the damn middle of the field has been free pickins forever now and this could be the year for a high pick on safety.
I agree. The coverages in the middle have been a problem. It is a reason why I want more speed inside the perimeter. I would not waste time with corners. They can only do so much. Not having a soft middle would be a drastic change. The only drawback is that I do not think Marinelli has that same direction. If you look at the Bears' defense over his (and Lovie Smith's tenure as well), they have had the same kind of bad safety play and middle round after middle round choice thrown at it with zero success. Unless he wants that safety early, I doubt it happens. Get ready for more Heath and of course the optimism for Matt Johnson.
 

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and yet some still wanted to place a lot of the blame on the Offense for last year. None so blind that will not see. With the exception of 2007 and 2009 our D was never more than average at best and usually a lot worse.
 

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and yet some still wanted to place a lot of the blame on the Offense for last year. None so blind that will not see. With the exception of 2007 and 2009 our D was never more than average at best and usually a lot worse.

The offense struggled with situational football. It had a contributing factor to the games which were lost.
 

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I don't know how you replace the culture of losing, which goes back into the 90's not 2009, without changing the top of the organization.
 

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There has been a youth movement going on ever since Jason took the team over and I do not see that changing. Steven basically said it is unlikely they will bring on aging vets that cost a lot of money. Where do you get the new direction is with vets?

I do agree with you there is a losing culture here and have said it several times over the years.
 

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The "not paying age" thing is another flavor of the moment that is a knee jerk reaction from the Super Bowl.

It is not a coincidence that the Seahawks are young and have built through the draft and suddenly we are talking about it as a philosophical change a month or two later.

The Broncos had the oldest team and steamrolled the competition until that one game. Were they just wrong? No, it was just a bad matchup.

You cannot change culture the right way when you reinvent yourselves like some cheap knockoff every year.
 

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losing culture = jerry jones, stephen jones, tom ciskowski, and jason garrett

I would make that Jerry, Stephen and the current head coach. Whoever that may be. Bill Belichick would fail here under this structure.
 

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I would make that Jerry, Stephen and the current head coach. Whoever that may be. Bill Belichick would fail here under this structure.

i don't know why anyone believes saint marinelli is going to be any different here with those 3 stooges (i'm including ciskowski b/c I know they lean on him) buying the groceries. how many defensive coordinators do we have to see succeed after leaving here before we realize it's them that's the problem? zimmer, phillips, ryan all left and had more success at their next stops than in dallas.
 
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I would make that Jerry, Stephen and the current head coach. Whoever that may be. Bill Belichick would fail here under this structure.

Belichick would never WORK under this structure.

Few if any coaches with options would.

I wouldn't want to have to my job with one hand tied behind my back either!
 

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Wow another groundbreaking post that tells us that our 3rd String defense is bad
 

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Belichick would never WORK under this structure.

Few if any coaches with options would.

I wouldn't want to have to my job with one hand tied behind my back either!

Exactly right. That's why I can't blame Jason Garrett. He may in fact suck as a head coach but I just can't judge him here in this circus. Belichick, Parcells, Jimmy, whoever, none of those guys would accept this position under this current structure because they know they'd fail too.

Garrett's the current convenient scapegoat. The fans who have a good grasp of what goes on at Valley Ranch know the problem starts higher up in the organization totem pole.
 

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and yet some still wanted to place a lot of the blame on the Offense for last year. None so blind that will not see. With the exception of 2007 and 2009 our D was never more than average at best and usually a lot worse.

The offense does own some of the blame tho for the lack of success since 2009. 2012 Tony led the league in INTs and although I don't know where we ranked in total giveaways and defensive TDs surrendered, it was definitely near the top.

Our offense has played a role in those historic blown leads and blowouts by either failing to show up entirely like the Chicago and Saints game from this year or surrendering too many giveaways like Detriot, Jets from a few years ago to GB this past year.

I agree the defense has been the larger culprit, but the offense needs to own their share.
 
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