Replay Timing

[805BoysInBlue]

I mentioned this in the game thread. It seems as if FOX deliberately doesn't show replays, like the tipped punt for example. When Schotty was asked why he didnt challenge it, he said they didnt have a clear video. I learned today that the NFL relies on the broadcast to get their footage for reviews. Now I know this sounds crazy but, this seems like a way that a network can somewhat influence the game as well as a way to help ratings. Theres no way the NFL should be relying on a TV network for their video review. Not sure why this isnt beign talked about more. I know for a fact that if I worked for a TV network, none of the teams I hate would ever see a review till much later in the game as well.

 

[Kwyn]

I mentioned this in the game thread. It seems as if FOX deliberately doesn't show replays, like the tipped punt for example. When Schotty was asked why he didnt challenge it, he said they didnt have a clear video. I learned today that the NFL relies on the broadcast to get their footage for reviews. Now I know this sounds crazy but, this seems like a way that a network can somewhat influence the game as well as a way to help ratings. Theres no way the NFL should be relying on a TV network for their video review. Not sure why this isnt beign talked about more. I know for a fact that if I worked for a TV network, none of the teams I hate would ever see a review till much later in the game as well.

It’s well known that home stadiums and arenas in all sports do this with the Jumbotron. They will hold off on showing any replay if showing it might encourage officials or coaches to check out the video above before a challenge.

A lesser scale than a network conspiracy, but sure, gamesmanship is always at play.

I’m always reminddd of the snowplow game, which was a straight up classic home field advantage.

 

[gimmesix]

I mentioned this in the game thread. It seems as if FOX deliberately doesn't show replays, like the tipped punt for example. When Schotty was asked why he didnt challenge it, he said they didnt have a clear video. I learned today that the NFL relies on the broadcast to get their footage for reviews. Now I know this sounds crazy but, this seems like a way that a network can somewhat influence the game as well as a way to help ratings. Theres no way the NFL should be relying on a TV network for their video review. Not sure why this isnt beign talked about more. I know for a fact that if I worked for a TV network, none of the teams I hate would ever see a review till much later in the game as well.

I agree. I didn't care for the NFL's excuse that the TV network didn't get the league that close-up in time. The league shouldn't be relying on the network for replays. It should have access to footage that its booth can scour independent of the network.

The league does have to rely on the network to provide the footage because the network has the cameras that are filming the game, but it should have independence in reviewing that footage. If not, it does give the network some control over the officiating that it should not have.

To me, with the technology we have now, there should be a crew that is going over plays like that one with a fine-tooth comb as soon as they happen to try to make sure the call is objectively correct.

 

[Kwyn]

I agree. I didn't care for the NFL's excuse that the TV network didn't get the league that close-up in time. The league shouldn't be relying on the network for replays. It should have access to footage that its booth can scour independent of the network.

I imagine logistics and cost are a component

The networks spend a ridiculous amount of money to manage the broadcast, from cameras, to setup, to processing.

Duplicating all of that just for the league could be seen as duplicate effort.

There could even be straight up logistical issues. How do you double he number of cameras? And wires? And cables?

“A typical regular season NFL game uses 12 to 20 cameras, but this number increases significantly for primetime games and special events like the Super Bowl, which can use over 100 cameras”

I get the point, I do, but this is the first time I’ve recalled this coming to light.

 

[gimmesix]

I imagine logistics and cost are a component

The networks spend a ridiculous amount of money to manage the broadcast, from cameras, to setup, to processing.

Duplicating all of that just for the league could be seen as duplicate effort.

There could even be straight up logistical issues. How do you double he number of cameras? And wires? And cables?

“A typical regular season NFL game uses 12 to 20 cameras, but this number increases significantly for primetime games and special events like the Super Bowl, which can use over 100 cameras”

I get the point m, I do, but this is the first time I’ve recalled this coming to light.

More than likely, you are correct. I just don't know how much the cost would be to provide an independent feed to a replay booth where they have immediate access to the digital footage. I mean, Fox had a team that broke down the footage and isolated the tip, and they did it while trying to manage a broadcast.

 

[Kwyn]

More than likely, you are correct. I just don't know how much the cost would be to provide an independent feed to a replay booth where they have immediate access to the digital footage. I mean, Fox had a team that broke down the footage and isolated the tip, and they did it while trying to manage a broadcast.

That’s a good idea.

Now, what all goes into the “digital enhancement processing” that Fox said was responsible for the delay is a mystery.

 

[DripTooHard]

I dunno. I find the networks play a huge role in how games are officiated. Tools like Mike Pereira who supposedly work for the network absolutely shape the decisions replay officials make. The “Wizard of Oz” that the refs are speaking with in the NY replay office is absolutely listening to the opinion of tools like Pereira. I will never forget the tears he was holding back during his tirade on the Dez catch during the 2014 playoffs. He absolutely influenced the decision to rule the pass incomplete.

 

[mmohican29]

What a sham that was. A total fiasco. Rigged outcome via plausible deniability @ NFL HQ.

I dunno. I find the networks play a huge role in how games are officiated. Tools like Mike Pereira who supposedly work for the network absolutely shape the decisions replay officials make. The “Wizard of Oz” that the refs are speaking with in the NY replay office is absolutely listening to the opinion of tools like Pereira. I will never forget the tears he was holding back during his tirade on the Dez catch during the 2014 playoffs. He absolutely influenced the decision to rule the pass incomplete.

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[DogFace]

It’s well known that home stadiums and arenas in all sports do this with the Jumbotron. They will hold off on showing any replay if showing it might encourage officials or coaches to check out the video above before a challenge.

A lesser scale than a network conspiracy, but sure, gamesmanship is always at play.

I’m always reminddd of the snowplow game, which was a straight up classic home field advantage.

So our own scoreboard guys didn’t put up the replay?

That actually checks out.

 

[Whirlwin]

I mentioned this in the game thread. It seems as if FOX deliberately doesn't show replays, like the tipped punt for example. When Schotty was asked why he didnt challenge it, he said they didnt have a clear video. I learned today that the NFL relies on the broadcast to get their footage for reviews. Now I know this sounds crazy but, this seems like a way that a network can somewhat influence the game as well as a way to help ratings. Theres no way the NFL should be relying on a TV network for their video review. Not sure why this isnt beign talked about more. I know for a fact that if I worked for a TV network, none of the teams I hate would ever see a review till much later in the game as well.

So you’re saying, that the NFL should hire their own camera people and get into broadcasting. Because that’s the only way to resolve this. They have access to the footage. It’s not fox TV that’s doing this. They chose not to take the time to look for it.

 

[Whirlwin]

The head coach has to trust his players, he felt the ball hit his hand. Coach should have taken that into advisement, which he probably did and said it’s not worth losing a time out.
You want someone to blame, blame the system, the head coach. It is what it is. It’s not propaganda. Nothing is perfect.

 

[DripTooHard]

What a sham that was. A total fiasco. Rigged outcome via plausible deniability @ NFL HQ.

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The Dez catch and the Saints non-PI call vs. the Rams are two blatant examples that does lead one to question the integrity of the league and the accountability of officials. I don’t know know if Bill Vinovich has officiated a game in New Orleans since that day out of fear for his life. In other professions there is accountability. Your boy was rewarded with officiating a super bowl not long after that blown call.

 

[Kwyn]

So our own scoreboard guys didn’t put up the replay?

That actually checks out.

No, our guys did and Fox gave the reviews you saw. Schottenheimer and the cowboy assistant who is in his ear (Peter) saw the replays. They were obviously inconclusive.

What wasn’t available was an enhanced replay that Fox didn’t have until ten minutes or so after the play.

 

[nightrain]

On a play where the defender can feel whether or not he made contact with the ball, the coaching staff should give him the benefit of the doubt as to whether to challenge a play. The players should be coached to sell any contact with the ball on a play like a punt where they are penalized for roughing the kicker.

 

[Chasing6]

I mentioned this in the game thread. It seems as if FOX deliberately doesn't show replays, like the tipped punt for example. When Schotty was asked why he didnt challenge it, he said they didnt have a clear video. I learned today that the NFL relies on the broadcast to get their footage for reviews. Now I know this sounds crazy but, this seems like a way that a network can somewhat influence the game as well as a way to help ratings. Theres no way the NFL should be relying on a TV network for their video review. Not sure why this isnt beign talked about more. I know for a fact that if I worked for a TV network, none of the teams I hate would ever see a review till much later in the game as well.

Usually during a punt, it is a good time for a commercial, allowing more time for review.

 

[foofighters]

I mentioned this in the game thread. It seems as if FOX deliberately doesn't show replays, like the tipped punt for example. When Schotty was asked why he didnt challenge it, he said they didnt have a clear video. I learned today that the NFL relies on the broadcast to get their footage for reviews. Now I know this sounds crazy but, this seems like a way that a network can somewhat influence the game as well as a way to help ratings. Theres no way the NFL should be relying on a TV network for their video review. Not sure why this isnt beign talked about more. I know for a fact that if I worked for a TV network, none of the teams I hate would ever see a review till much later in the game as well.

I was actually surprised at this. I thought teams had access to their own replays. You see OC's and QB's going over plays when the D is out, I figured they could look at other plays as well. They always have some sort of head official on each broadcast, they, along with the ref crews, should have their own replay system that doesn't involve what the network is "showing." Sure, it comes from the network, but they have the data and can use as needed.

 

[805BoysInBlue]

So you’re saying, that the NFL should hire their own camera people and get into broadcasting. Because that’s the only way to resolve this. They have access to the footage. It’s not fox TV that’s doing this. They chose not to take the time to look for it.

They literally said after the broadcast and after that that NFL relies on networks and if the network can produce the video on time they move on. NFL should have their own cameras not a broadcast.

 

[Chasing6]

They literally said after the broadcast and after that that NFL relies on networks and if the network can produce the video on time they move on. NFL should have their own cameras not a broadcast.

Why was their not a commercial break during change of possession???

 

[CWR]

The head coach has to trust his players, he felt the ball hit his hand. Coach should have taken that into advisement, which he probably did and said it’s not worth losing a time out.
You want someone to blame, blame the system, the head coach. It is what it is. It’s not propaganda. Nothing is perfect.

He said he trusted his players but the angle we were provided with still looked inconclusive..its not necessarily what you know, but what you can prove.

 

[805BoysInBlue]

I was actually surprised at this. I thought teams had access to their own replays. You see OC's and QB's going over plays when the D is out, I figured they could look at other plays as well. They always have some sort of head official on each broadcast, they, along with the ref crews, should have their own replay system that doesn't involve what the network is "showing." Sure, it comes from the network, but they have the data and can use as needed.

Yeah, I thought the NFL had their own videos for reviews. If I worked on a broadcast and they relied on me for a review, I wouldnt give it to them right away if I was betting on the game.