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[JoeKing]

What's there to give up other than extra practice time?

I agree... the players should trading in some of their camp cupcake time to gain rights in legal matters. The commish currently has too much power in that reguard. He should be limited to punishing behavior that has first been legally confirmed and prosecuted.

 

[JoeKing]

The NFL is pretty communist. it's certainly not free market capitalism. Salary cap? set contracts for rookies? Too many to name. it's a manufactured market, highly governed, just like all "free" markets.

Thank you for the political lesson that is not permitted by the forum rules nor solicited by me. My point is, The teams are currently free to make their own training camp schedules so this is the reason we see so much variance from team to team on when rookies report, when vets report, and when the first full day of TC actually occurs.

 

[JustChip]

What's there to give up other than extra practice time?

Revenue allocation, increased rookie wage scale and veteran minimums, guaranteed contracts are just a few. All of those things are negotiable and desired by the members. The League is only going to give up a measure of management control, of which discipline in any business is the purview of management, if they get something in return. Is the NFLPA and it's members willing to give up something like guaranteed contracts or increased salaries in return?

 

[JustChip]

The current policy doesn't even require actual DV to occur to be disciplined by the commish. Zeke was never charged with any crime and the police think the bruise pictures of his accuser were not caused by him. All players are susceptible to being wrongly accused as long as Goodell has that kind of power. All players should want reform of the CBA.

I understand. But if it comes to giving up something that will affect all players (something like increased rookie wage scale and veteran minimum salaries) in exchange for something that might affect all players, but in practice has only affected a handful, my bet is they'll forego the later to get the former. And I can't see them striking over the disciplinary issue simply because a strike will have a monetary impact on the vast majority of the players. Oh, for sure I think discipline policy will be a point of negotiations, but I don't see it being a hill the NFLPA and it's members willing to die over.

 

[JoeKing]

I understand. But if it comes to giving up something that will affect all players (something like increased rookie wage scale and veteran minimum salaries) in exchange for something that might affect all players, but in practice has only affected a handful, my bet is they'll forego the later to get the former. And I can't see them striking over the disciplinary issue simply because a strike will have a monetary impact on the vast majority of the players. Oh, for sure I think discipline policy will be a point of negotiations, but I don't see it being a hill the NFLPA and it's members willing to die over.

Thank you for your respected opinion. I disagree. We shall see how this plays out after the 2020 season. I see a long and arduous negotiation occurring, resulting in a holdout by players until the owners agree to regulate the commissioner's power.

 

[JustChip]

Thank you for your respected opinion. I disagree. We shall see how this plays out after the 2020 season. I see a long and arduous negotiation occurring, resulting in a holdout by players until the owners agree to regulate the commissioner's power.

You may ultimately be right. I do agree that there is a long and arduous negotiation coming. And I fully expect a strike, I just don't think the discipline issue in of itself will be the reason. We'll see when the time comes.

 

[buybuydandavis]

The Cowboys used to do this. The rookies reported a2 to 3 days earlier.
I think since they went back to Oxnard, they stopped this. Probably a logistical thing. Could be the time involved or scheduling type of thing.

Rookies need all the help they can get. We shouldn't waste a single day we're allowed to train them. Doing so indicates a lack of seriousness about winning.