Report: Medical problem for Patriots' Jones caused by synthetic marijuana

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All I said is that anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty would admit this was never even remotely an issue until last year and nobody cared. Not the refs, not the league, not the teams. The entire protocol was so half assed that they had 2 gauges which were wildly miscalibrated.

The only team who we know has tampered with footballs playing this weekend is Carolina. They were caught heating balls on the sidelines on live TV last year. All New England did was obey the laws of physics, much like my car tire.

Again, you can't address the actual issue I am pointing out.

The footballs were taken from the officials locker room without them being present. The rules are that the officials hand the balls over to the attendants - it's called chain of custody. The Patriots knowingly violated this rule, and took the footballs anyway.

I suppose the Patriots were guilty of osmosis in this case, huh?

Again, zero credibility on this issue.
 

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Again, you can't address the actual issue I am pointing out.

The footballs were taken from the officials locker room without them being present.
That's not true. According to the Wells Report, Walt Anderson testified that he instructed McNally to move the balls from the locker room to the sitting room area, and McNally did so. Also, according to the Wells Report, the sitting area had NFL personnel and game officials. He also passed by multiple league officials on the way to the field.

The fact that you have to deliberately lie about what happened that day only serves to show what a weak case you have, once presented with the truth. You're allowed your own opinions. You are not allowed your own facts.
 

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That's not true. According to the Wells Report, Walt Anderson testified that he instructed McNally to move the balls from the locker room to the sitting room area, and McNally did so. Also, according to the Wells Report, the sitting area had NFL personnel and game officials. He also passed by multiple league officials on the way to the field.

The fact that you have to deliberately lie about what happened that day only serves to show what a weak case you have, once presented with the truth. You're allowed your own opinions. You are not allowed your own facts.

This is rich. You calling someone a liar? Pot meet kettle.

Here's the text from the Wells Report on the chain of custody of the footballs.

https://wellsreportcontext.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/wells_report_full1.pdf

Wells Report said:
At approximately 6:25 p.m., Anderson announced that kickoff for the AFC Championship Game was being delayed 10 minutes, from 6:40 to 6:50 p.m., to allow for the conclusion of the NFC Championship Game, and that the rest of the pre-game schedule would be adjusted accordingly. According to Richard Farley, the NFL Security Representative assigned to New England, at the time of Anderson‟s announcement, Jim McNally was sitting on a trunk pushed against the back wall of the sitting room of the Officials Locker Room, with the bags of game balls in close proximity. Farley recalls seeing the bags in the dressing room area earlier in the afternoon, and understood that
at some point they must have been moved to the front sitting room. Anderson also recalls that McNally, with Anderson‟s permission, had
moved the ball bags from the dressing room area towards the sitting room area shortly after the officials returned from
the players‟ walk-through. Anderson understood that McNally was moving the balls to the sitting room area of the locker room, so that it would be more convenient for the officials to pick them up on their way out to the field. Anderson said that it is typical for locker room attendants throughout the League to help move the game balls towards the front of the locker room, but that the footballs do not leave the locker room until the officials give express permission for them to be brought to the field at or near the time the officials also walk to the field. Numerous other game officials described a similar practice.

Shortly after the revised schedule was sorted out, members of the officiating crew began to leave the Officials Locker Room to give each team its two-minute warning and escort the players to the field. Various NFL personnel also began to leave the locker room and make
their way to the field or other areas of the stadium. By 6:35p.m., all of the members of the officiating crew other than Anderson, Veteri, Blakeman and Yette had left the Officials Locker Room. When the remaining officials walked into the sitting room area on their way to the field, all four were surprised to find that the ball bags were not there. Both Anderson and Veteri immediately asked Farley where the footballs were. Farley checked for the ball bags in the back part of the locker room (where he saw the bags of back-up balls) and in the adjacent Chain Gang Locker Room, but could not find them. When it was suggested that McNally had or may have taken them to the field, Anderson responded that “he‟s not supposed to do that.” Anderson also stated that “we have to find the footballs.” Blakeman recalls that although Anderson is usually calm and composedleading up to a game, Anderson was visibly concerned and uncharacteristically used an expletive when the game balls could not be located. The other officials were similarly surprised and concerned. None of the officials in the locker room at the time realized that the game balls had been removed from the locker room until they were ready to go to the field for the start of the game, and all expected that the balls would not leave the locker room until it was time for them to take the field.

So, let's recap. McNally removed the balls from the officials room without anyone looking, and without asking for permission. He breached protocol that he knew he wasn't supposed to, as it is noted in the report by other officials that he had never done that prior.

But, yes, he did it with Anderson's permission according to the Wells Report, when it clearly states that he took the balls to the field without their knowledge or permission.

How's that for facts? Be very careful when you call someone a liar on a subject, and claim that a report says something, because someone smarter than you will show that you continue to obfuscate, ignore and flat out lie about what happened.

Forget the PSI rates of the footballs - I have already said on more than one occasion that I don't think that it was a big deal, and it had no impact on the game. McNally broke protocol blatantly by removing the footballs without the officials knowledge or permission.

That is fact. And no amount of your Patriot love can change that.
 

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How's that for facts? Be very careful when you call someone a liar on a subject,
OK. I'm being very careful here: You're a liar.

You said "The footballs were taken from the officials locker room without them being present." I slammed that for the lie it was.

Now you're moving the bar and talking about him taking them without permission. That's a whole 'nother matter which is entirely up for debate. The Wells Report says Anderson was mad when he couldn't locate the balls, but security tape shows Anderson took the balls from McNally on the field of play and just moved on like normal. No reprimand, no desire to recheck the balls, no nothing. You'd think if Anderson was upset at McNally he would have at least said something.

You should be very careful when you lie here for all to see because someone smarter than you will show that you continue to obfuscate, ignore and flat out lie about what happened.
 

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New England Patriots defensive end Chandler Jones was hospitalized on Sunday, but has been with the team every day this week, taking part in meetings and practices as the Patriots prepare to host the Kansas City Chiefs on Saturday in the playoffs.

However, the details of why Jones showed up at the Foxboro (Mass.) Police station on Sunday morning requiring medical attention were sketchy.

But on Wednesday afternoon, the Boston Globe's Chris Gasper reported that Jones had a bad reaction to synthetic marijuana.

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Synthetic marijuana is a misnomer. Typically it is a synthetic cannabinoid analogue that is applied to an herbal base. Whether smoked or vaporized through an ecig-like device, a buyer has literally no idea what he is getting, and many of these compounds are quite dangerous even if their biochemistry is accurate in synthesis. These designer cannabinoids are more toxic, more hallucinogenic, and quite likely to induce acute psychosis (probably what our young ballplayer had). Chronic psychosis has also been reported, and additional ingredients may worsen the synthetic's toxic effects.

Varieties that have been around long enough to be banned include K2 and Spice. Do not let anyone try any of this, thinking it's just a different weed. It's not MJ, and is illegal.
The effects can be catastrophic.
 
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I didn't even know there was synthetic marijuana before this report. I mean, I figured it could be made at least by extracting THC and I can't remember that other chemical. BLOC or something like that and infusing other materials with it. Kind of like they make edibles I suppose. Though I believe they use butter (due to the chemicals being fat soluble) for most edibles.
 

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I didn't even know there was synthetic marijuana before this report. I mean, I figured it could be made at least by extracting THC and I can't remember that other chemical. BLOC or something like that and infusing other materials with it. Kind of like they make edibles I suppose. Though I believe they use butter (due to the chemicals being fat soluble) for most edibles.

Yeah, it's bad dope. Not THC. Kids try this for a "different" high, and may become permanently impaired.
 

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Hey Yukuza I need your help. True story: Did some business travelling yesterday and I woke up someplace where it was 20 degrees colder than where it was when I left. Sure enough, my car gave the following warning this morning:

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Now, do you know of any phenomenon that could cause a loss of tire pressure in cold weather, or should I contact the police and report someone vandalized my car by letting air out of the tires?

I had that happen a couple of days ago on my car too - serious.
 

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Yeah, it's bad dope. Not THC. Kids try this for a "different" high, and may become permanently impaired.

I tried it cuz I was curious how close they got this "synthetic marijuana" to the real thing.(Fail) Some people also try it cuz they have a dug test to pass but still want some kind of buzz. It says not for human consumption or whatever on the packaging, so...yeah it's bad stuff
 
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