Report: Medical problem for Patriots' Jones caused by synthetic marijuana

[TheDallasDon]

You're absolutely right, but the fact that he wasn't suspended logically leads one to conclude he wasn't in the advanced discipline part of the program.

Any remotely intelligent person analyzing the evidence impartially would reach that conclusion.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

The United States Government disagrees.

That's not the point in this thread.

Jones' issue deals with the drug policy. Brady's issue is that he cheated. The NFLPA argued that the ruling against Brady was inconsistent with other equipment tampering charges. The league's office argued that it had to do with Brady unwillingness to cooperate (aka lying to investigators). The judge had some silly notion that because Brady gave partial cooperation that he 'cooperated.' Try telling that to the police in a criminal investigation.

You just can't help but show how factually incorrect you are about such a wide variety of topics, can you?

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You're the one that gets constantly owned on these forums and everybody laughs at your errors, time and time again.

Brady and Jones are two completely different scenarios. The league suspended Brady because he cheated and they felt they had the right to do so for 4-games under the CBA. Cheating in this manner is not very clear under the rules of the CBA. Mainly because most players and coaches have integrity and don't want to hurt the game. The Patriots and Brady are different in that manner.

Jones is a drug issue (I don't even know if synthetic marijuana is against the drug policy). The simple fact is that the drug policy is clearly defined in the CBA and unless Jones has prior failed tests...he's not going to get suspended. Acting like he would is funny because you are the one that claims that I have a persecution complex.



As I've said many times before, it's a sledgehammer and glass house scenario with you.





YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You're absolutely right, but the fact that he wasn't suspended logically leads one to conclude he wasn't in the advanced discipline part of the program.

I don't think it does.

The case just happened and things take time. Especially since he didn't fail a test and was admitted to the hospital instead.

IIRC, Scandrick's original suspension took a while for the league to determine and then was overturned anyway due to it being in the offseason and not a PED.






YR

 

[CyberB0b]

He'll get a 2-game suspension starting next season.

For what? It is legal in a few states.

 

[Rogah]

That's not the point in this thread.

Jones' issue deals with the drug policy. Brady's issue is that he cheated. The NFLPA argued that the ruling against Brady was inconsistent with other equipment tampering charges. The league's office argued that it had to do with Brady unwillingness to cooperate (aka lying to investigators). The judge had some silly notion that because Brady gave partial cooperation that he 'cooperated.' Try telling that to the police in a criminal investigation.

It's pretty funny how you enjoy sharing with the world how little you know about what actually happened in that whole ridiculousness.

But hey, at least I got you to stop saying 11/12 balls were 2 PSI below limits. It took you about 6 months to realize how wrong you were, but that's still progress you should be proud of!!

 

[Yakuza Rich]

It's pretty funny how you enjoy sharing with the world how little you know about what actually happened in that whole ridiculousness.

But hey, at least I got you to stop saying 11/12 balls were 2 PSI below limits. It took you about 6 months to realize how wrong you were, but that's still progress you should be proud of!!

I never said that 11/12 footballs were 2 PSI below the limits.

Don't know where you got that from and what's funny is that is just another error you keep making in a long line of errors.

The facts are that the footballs were underinflated, the Ideal Gas Law is often inaccurate at lower temperatures and there is numerous texts between McNally and Jastremski where they were deflating the footballs for pay from Brady, along with Jastremski getting caught by the NFL on video sneaking off into the bathroom with the footballs before the game which is against NFL protocol.

But, I don't know why you insist on going back to this in this thread when it's about Chandler Jones and him being hospitalized for a bad reaction to synthetic marijuana.

A player cheating the game like Brady did does not have clear cut rules defined as how to handle it in the CBA. The drug policy is clearly written out in the CBA. So I expect the NFL to follow it....or maybe they don't even do a thing about it because he didn't test for it, it's not a PED and it's not even illegal in the state of Massachusetts.






YR

 

[CowboyStar88]

Of course I realize that, but Mara does not work in the league office so he is not exactly supposed to be fair and impartial. Your example of Dallas losing $10 million in cap space over 2 years pales in comparison next to the situation I gave where the Patriots lost a 1st round pick, a 4th round pick and had their superstar QB suspended 4 games* because of a league office employee (who is supposed to be fair and impartial) blatantly lying to the media in an attempt to take down a former-rival team, and then the same League office doing absolutely nothing to correct the lie.

*Overturned in federal court, League appeal pending

Only the Patriots fans feel like they didn't cheat... Why are you even on this board? Lord Brady got to play

 

[LandryFan]

But, I don't know why you insist on going back to this in this thread when it's about Chandler Jones and him being hospitalized for a bad reaction to synthetic marijuana.

I've come to the conclusion that the Mods need to create a Zone specifically for our resident patriot/brady lover. They can call it the
"Point: New England/Brady Cheats" (for all those who like to argue with Rogah)
"Counterpoint: New England/Brady Are Innocent Victims Who Get Unfairly Persecuted" (for Rogah to doggedly defend his beloved patriots/brady)
Zone
and restrict all patriots/brady love/hate posts/threads to that zone. I simply don't understand his need to constantly troll this forum with new England/brady crap all the time.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I've come to the conclusion that the Mods need to create a Zone specifically for our resident patriot/brady lover.

There are already NE Patriot fan message boards on the internet.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I've come to the conclusion that the Mods need to create a Zone specifically for our resident patriot/brady lover. They can call it the
"Point: New England/Brady Cheats" (for all those who like to argue with Rogah)
"Counterpoint: New England/Brady Are Innocent Victims Who Get Unfairly Persecuted" (for Rogah to doggedly defend his beloved patriots/brady)
Zone
and restrict all patriots/brady love/hate posts/threads to that zone. I simply don't understand his need to constantly troll this forum with new England/brady crap all the time.

The irony in all of this is that I'm not calling for Chandler Jones' head or even to be suspended (I think marijuana should be legalized in the US and I don't know if synthetic marijuana is even against the drug policy). I do believe that there is a double standard in the media, particularly ESPN, when it comes to the Cowboys and how this would have been handled if it was a Dallas player. Jones' case shows this, although it doesn't matter if Jones was playing for the Patriots or the Lions or the Chargers or whomever. It gets treated differently when it's a Cowboys player at hand.

Other than that, I have no problem with what happened to Jones other than he should avoid synthetic marijuana and I'm glad he's okay. Claiming persecution over Brady is just so off topic that it explains everything to everybody on this forum and it will forever stereotype him.






YR

 

[LandryFan]

There are already NE Patriot fan message boards on the internet.

Oh, I know, but some people don't want to use it...they prefer posting patriot-related stuff on here.

 

[LandryFan]

Other than that, I have no problem with what happened to Jones other than he should avoid synthetic marijuana and I'm glad he's okay. Claiming persecution over Brady is just so off topic that it explains everything to everybody on this forum and it will forever stereotype him.

YR

That was exactly what I was saying. brady and the patriots seem to be creeping into more and more threads that have nothing to do with them here lately. He once replied that he was a Cowboys fan who has a "soft spot" for the patriots, thus his defending them to no end. I'd say his "soft spot" is a full blown "hard on" at this point (hope I didn't violate forum rules, there).
And yes, if the on-topic subject involved a Cowboys player, there would have been an ESPN special with hourly updates on it (slight exaggeration, but not much).

 

[Plankton]

You're absolutely right, but the fact that he wasn't suspended logically leads one to conclude he wasn't in the advanced discipline part of the program.

There's no logical conclusion that can be drawn as to what step he would be in the program. None. A suspension doesn't happen immediately anyway, and it wouldn't be known until he has exhausted his appeal process.

Any remotely intelligent person analyzing the evidence impartially would reach that conclusion.

I don't think that this is the case. The Patriots clearly committed a violation removing the balls from the officials locker room, which is not the proper protocol. To say they did nothing wrong with the game balls in the Colt game is ignoring this very specific, incontrovertable fact.

But, of course, any remotely intelligent person would acknowledge this, correct?

 

[Rogah]

The facts are that the footballs were underinflated, the Ideal Gas Law is often inaccurate at lower temperatures and there is numerous texts between McNally and Jastremski where they were deflating the footballs for pay from Brady, along with Jastremski getting caught by the NFL on video sneaking off into the bathroom with the footballs before the game which is against NFL protocol.

Hey Yukuza I need your help. True story: Did some business travelling yesterday and I woke up someplace where it was 20 degrees colder than where it was when I left. Sure enough, my car gave the following warning this morning:

Now, do you know of any phenomenon that could cause a loss of tire pressure in cold weather, or should I contact the police and report someone vandalized my car by letting air out of the tires?

 

[Rogah]

I've come to the conclusion that the Mods need to create a Zone specifically for our resident patriot/brady lover. They can call it the
"Point: New England/Brady Cheats" (for all those who like to argue with Rogah)
"Counterpoint: New England/Brady Are Innocent Victims Who Get Unfairly Persecuted" (for Rogah to doggedly defend his beloved patriots/brady)
Zone
and restrict all patriots/brady love/hate posts/threads to that zone. I simply don't understand his need to constantly troll this forum with new England/brady crap all the time.

Anyone that doesn't like what I have to say is free to put me in their "ignore" file. I have been told that it is perfectly allowable to discuss this issue in the NFL Zone subforum.

Believe it or not, it is also perfectly allowable to have an opinion which goes against the majority.

 

[Rogah]

Oh, I know, but some people don't want to use it...they prefer posting patriot-related stuff on here.

my friend, do you realize that this thread, which was not started by me (nor did I start any of the 4 other New England Patriots threads on the front page of the NFL Zone) is about a NE Patriot player, right?

 

[Rogah]

There's no logical conclusion that can be drawn as to what step he would be in the program. None. A suspension doesn't happen immediately anyway, and it wouldn't be known until he has exhausted his appeal process.



I don't think that this is the case. The Patriots clearly committed a violation removing the balls from the officials locker room, which is not the proper protocol. To say they did nothing wrong with the game balls in the Colt game is ignoring this very specific, incontrovertable fact.

But, of course, any remotely intelligent person would acknowledge this, correct?

Anyone being intellectually honest would have read the follow up comments to this point, and they would also admit that (prior to 1/18/15) this was not even remotely a steadfast protocol followed by anyone in the league.

You want to know how important ball inflation levels are? It's so important that the referees forgot the gauges at their hotel for Saturday's KC-NE game. Yes, that really happened.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Hey Yukuza I need your help. True story: Did some business travelling yesterday and I woke up someplace where it was 20 degrees colder than where it was when I left. Sure enough, my car gave the following warning this morning:

Now, do you know of any phenomenon that could cause a loss of tire pressure in cold weather, or should I contact the police and report someone vandalized my car by letting air out of the tires?

Again, what does this have to do with Chandler Jones going to the hospital?

And the Ideal Gas Law is inaccurate according to experts at lower temperatures. Nobody has ever denied that the pressure would drop in colder temps.

YR

 

[Plankton]

Anyone being intellectually honest would have read the follow up comments to this point, and they would also admit that (prior to 1/18/15) this was not even remotely a steadfast protocol followed by anyone in the league.

You want to know how important ball inflation levels are? It's so important that the referees forgot the gauges at their hotel for Saturday's KC-NE game. Yes, that really happened.

You are hilarious.

Every time that the irrefutable violation that the Patriots committed last year against the Colts is brought up, rather than admit that they broke the rules on the chain of custody of footballs, you say that it isn't a protocol followed by anyone in the league.

Without a shred of proof.

You have zero credibility.

 

[Rogah]

You are hilarious.

Every time that the irrefutable violation that the Patriots committed last year against the Colts is brought up, rather than admit that they broke the rules on the chain of custody of footballs, you say that it isn't a protocol followed by anyone in the league.

All I said is that anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty would admit this was never even remotely an issue until last year and nobody cared. Not the refs, not the league, not the teams. The entire protocol was so half assed that they had 2 gauges which were wildly miscalibrated.

The only team who we know has tampered with footballs playing this weekend is Carolina. They were caught heating balls on the sidelines on live TV last year. All New England did was obey the laws of physics, much like my car tire.