Resigning T-New

[VCDefectors]

It's right around the corner (no pun intended). T-New is gearing up to get a huge contract. But he will be 30. Would you be willing to sign him to one of those huge 5-7 year contracts including, say, $15+Mil of it guaranteed?

I personally think if that's what it would cost to retain him, we should let him go. He's not going to be worth that kind of money. You'd never see the realized value out of that type of contract.

Your thoughts.

 

[rojan]

It's right around the corner (no pun intended). T-New is gearing up to get a huge contract. But he will be 30. Would you be willing to sign him to one of those huge 5-7 year contracts including, say, $15+Mil of it guaranteed?

I personally think if that's what it would cost to retain him, we should let him go. He's not going to be worth that kind of money. You'd never see the realized value out of that type of contract.

Your thoughts.

I would give T-New what ever his is worth which is looking like 10 mill a year..something like 5 year 50 mill. He definitely deserves it and if we don't give it to him you know that Bill or Sean Payton will.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

listen fellas....I KNEW this was going to be a problem when we signed Leonard Davis and I said it at the time...you give a GUARD that kind of money, the money for Newman and Ware is going to get stupid...I like T-New....I think he is a very good CB...but he seems to be be a great player because all of the other CBs on this team are just that bad.....we are in a real pickle here because Ware IS a great player...but just another little present big Bill left us that many on this board try to gloss over....his inability to fix the offensive line is killing Jerry's wallet and our cap. I still think we should have showed some guts and let Flo walk...but we didn't....so Jerry and the gang are going to have to figure it out

 

[EveryoneElse]

If Newman wants to break the bank, let him do it elsewhere. He's a good cover corner no doubt, but he's no game changer.

For a decent number I think it's worth it, but for 9 or 10 mil a year.....no way. 7 mil or less or walk, imo.

 

[big dog cowboy]

You give TNew his money. Period. We need CB's and seemingly always do. Five year deal worth $50 mil sounds about right. That is just what good CB's cost in todays NFL.

I don't buy that "he will be 30" argument much either. If this were a year ago that would have been barely mentioned. Jerry knew he would face this situation when TNew was drafted. So this isn't any big story that just magically appeared.

Bottom line is TNew needs extended and we need to draft a CB in the first round regardless of the Pacman situation.

 

[justbob]

I have mixed emotions ---but have come to the conclusion we are going to have Pacman around and we will draft a cb. If Tnew can be signed in a way that the cap hit is reasonable for 3 years we have to do it. If the market gets way out of line --we have to let him walk---unless the cap is going bye bye

 

[Goldenrichards83]

You give TNew his money. Period. We need CB's and seemingly always do. Five year deal worth $50 mil sounds about right. That is just what good CB's cost in todays NFL.

I don't buy that "he will be 30" argument much either. If this were a year ago that would have been barely mentioned. Jerry knew he would face this situation when TNew was drafted. So this isn't any big story that just magically appeared.

Bottom line is TNew needs extended and we need to draft a CB in the first round regardless of the Pacman situation.

I agree with you to an extent. Tnew went on radio and said the Assante Samuel and D Hall contracts is where he would start in his negotiations and for that kind of money I say let him go while we take 2 corners in this draft. Lets draft 2 studs and see where they are in a year and then see what needs to be done.

 

[Woods]

I'm thinking right now that if it comes down to T New vs. Hamlin in the Secondary due to cap constraints, you re-sign Newman.

We can draft K Phillips to replace Hamlin, if necessary. It's should be easier to replace a FS than a shut down CB (well, Newman is close, at least).

I still think we should draft a CB high, but that is mainly due to us needing 3 CBs in today's NFL (and I don't want to have to rely on PacMan if he indeed joins the team).

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

Here are some other thoughts:


http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115162

 

[big dog cowboy]

I agree with you to an extent. Tnew went on radio and said the Assante Samuel and D Hall contracts is where he would start in his negotiations and for that kind of money I say let him go while we take 2 corners in this draft. Lets draft 2 studs and see where they are in a year and then see what needs to be done.

I'd love to draft at least 2 stud CB's. You never know what will happen with this TNew situation and you can never have to many cover corners in this pass happy league.

 

[CoCo]

listen fellas....I KNEW this was going to be a problem when we signed Leonard Davis and I said it at the time...you give a GUARD that kind of money, the money for Newman and Ware is going to get stupid...I like T-New....I think he is a very good CB...but he seems to be be a great player because all of the other CBs on this team are just that bad.....we are in a real pickle here because Ware IS a great player...but just another little present big Bill left us that many on this board try to gloss over....his inability to fix the offensive line is killing Jerry's wallet and our cap. I still think we should have showed some guts and let Flo walk...but we didn't....so Jerry and the gang are going to have to figure it out

Leonard Davis market value was established by the other FA lineman available last offseason and the overall cap room available that year. From memory it was Steinbach, the OG from San Diego, and Dockery.

If any team was interested in signing a top shelf FA OL it was going to have to pay that new market value whether it was to grab Davis or hold onto Adams this year.

In principal, I very much agree with you that you simply must draft/develop your own players and then draft their eventual replacements so that you have options when the starters become FA's.

At some point you are going to have to or want to pay some players that 2nd contract which is going to be very expensive. But I, along with you, question whether we can do that for every good player on our team. I don't think you can.

Flo was a prime candidate to consider letting go of. Unfortunately while we have some youth waiting in the wings (Free, McQ, Marten) it is not proven depth and therefore a risky proposition that Jerry ultimately decided against.

The escalating cap (not to mention potential uncapped years) and the ability to backload contracts makes this all a giant jigsaw puzzle. There are few definitive answers because all the pieces are interrelated. You can't say that we can't pay Newman & Ware because we just might let some others go to do so.

But there are definitely storm clouds on the cap horizon for Dallas that could necessitate us letting Newman walk after 2008.

I think... :

 

[Tobal]

You can go look at my history, I'm aout as big a Newman fan as you can have, but in the league today if your a good team you play and pay young CB's, and guys who give you a discount.

Newman rarely makes the other team pay and I think it's healthy for opposing QB's to have some fear. I think he's a great player, but if he's wanting 10 mill per year, I draft two CB's this yr. Then you've got the year to look at them and negotiate with him.

If the young guys don't seem capable going into the next yr, slap the tag on him.... I promise they can find a way to fit it under the cap. If you like where your at with the two young corners and Henry then let him test the FA Waters.

If he signs one of those monster deals you've got a third round pick for him (compensation).

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

I'm thinking right now that if it comes down to T New vs. Hamlin in the Secondary due to cap constraints, you re-sign Newman.

We can draft K Phillips to replace Hamlin, if necessary. It's should be easier to replace a FS than a shut down CB (well, Newman is close, at least).

I still think we should draft a CB high, but that is mainly due to us needing 3 CBs in today's NFL (and I don't want to have to rely on PacMan if he indeed joins the team).

You are exactly right..... but I was thinking to replace Roy.

 

[Sarge]

You are exactly right..... but I was thinking to replace Roy.

Generally speaking, I'm not for grabbing a safety in the first round. We did that once remember?

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

Generally speaking, I'm not for grabbing a safety in the first round. We did that once remember?

A leopard can't change his stripes

Leopard? Stripes? :


With the talk of 10mil per year for a CB, how much is to much for Ware?

 

[sago1]

Unless RWilliams plays better then 07 season, believe the Cowboys will seriously consider cutting him after the 08 season if we have someone on board who can replace him. That means we either draft a SS this year or re-sign Hamlin knowing he's the option to replace RWilliams if necessary. There has been talk for 1-2 years re moving Henry to FS so that's an option at some point -- although his contract runs out after 09 season. Wonder if there any possibility Watkins or Courtney Brown could be future FS starters or even move one to SS if Hamlin simply wants too much money.

 

[Sarge]

A leopard can't change his stripes

Leopard? Stripes? :

Talk to Emmitt about that.

 

[The Rawhide Kid]

Talk to Emmitt about that.

I thinks I will have an talk with he.

 

[BAZ]

I think it's too much money and cutting him is a good sign that they will stop overpaying players past thirty. If he was a little younger then sure, unless the contract is for a couple of years, 5-7 is too many.

 

[Vintage]

Generally speaking, I'm not for grabbing a safety in the first round. We did that once remember?

Guess we shouldn't have drafted Ware in the first either, considering we had missed 1st round picks on such pass rushing studs as Ebenezer Ekuban, Kavika Pittman, Shante Carter....


If Phillips is there, we like him, and its value, you pick him.