kevinhickey
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Could Jerry just rip up the contract and sign Ware to a more cap friendly deal. I was thinking so Suggs situation in Baltimore.
It always amuses me to see fans and the media ***** about the Cowboys salary cap only to see the Cowboys figure it out without any angst at all every single year, year after year.
Could Jerry just rip up the contract and sign Ware to a more cap friendly deal. I was thinking so Suggs situation in Baltimore.
It always amuses me to see fans and the media ***** about the Cowboys salary cap only to see the Cowboys figure it out without any angst at all every single year, year after year.
They have to get under the cap, so yes the idea of "cap jail" is wrong. They will get under like they do every year by using the credit card mentality.
But they don't "figure it out". If they "figured it out" they would be around the middle of the pack each year, primed to be able to spend in free agency immediately and prior to the draft to make sure there are no holes and they could approach the draft with an open mind.
For example, would you not find it preferable to go into free agency knowing right now you could target Melton easily and be able to sign him quickly if you wanted to without realizing that you would have to extend deals you do not want to keep paying for three or four years down the line, making the same kind of painful decisions we are doing with Ware?
I can tell you one thing, Jones would love to not be in this position.
I don't think this is always the case. The quicker a player is cut or retires after an extension, its more punitive.
Questions in order of Bold
1) When do we roll-over significant cap room?
2) So do you think restructuring Ware and rolling his $12.25M (or $7M from a hypothetical $5m paycut) scheduled Base salary into 5 years (2019 one year longer than current and 3 longer than original) is the best move? Or just take the $9M hit for Ware. If restructures are always good, than the former is your position?
3) Do you think the cap had any issue with them not being a player in FA last year or this year? Do you think there was no high profile player either DLine or O line they wanted but couldn't get?
4) Carr - Even if we wanted to move on from Carr, we likely would wait until 2015. Then Finnegan deal was initially similar and he has $0 cap hit now.
5) This may or may not come true. TV money is sure to come into play, but there is a spending minimum for every team now. THat is going to force some teams to bid up FAs, and that will drive up prices for current 1st contract guys (Dez, T Smith). Many teams are not going to be able to meet a $150M payroll (Jax, Buff, Oak) there may be another lockout before you know it.
6)The signing of Durant, Allen and Sims were less than $1M in dead money deals. These were JAG signings. Waters cost $1.5M. Romo, Lee, Ware and Scandrick helped create that marginal room. These were never cornerstone guys - stop gaps. We weren't going to be players for Bennett or Avril.
This is a complex issue, choosing Spencer was at the cost of Avril or Bennett. Spencer's higher tag forced some restructurings (maybe Ware?). Those guys signed cheaper deals and were more productive. So, again, its hard for me to see why a players cap hit should not be roughly equal to their cap/production efficiency ratio. If it does, you have more flexibility when the player declines. Having less flexibility when a few cornerstones decline at once just isn't good.
With a Franchise QB, some level of restructures will always be needed. But multiple restructures on aging players is not prudent. Baltimore took their pain this year versus being overly creative. Look at Pittsburgh options to get under the cap versus Dallas. They have a vet club with many restructures, but they have won. If you don't win, can't see the value
It always amuses me to see fans and the media ***** about the Cowboys salary cap only to see the Cowboys figure it out without any angst at all every single year, year after year.
I don't think this is always the case. The quicker a player is cut or retires after an extension, its more punitive.
The Baltimore Ravens gave Terrell Suggs an extension, which included $16M in new guaranteed money.
Suggs was entering the final year of his contract and needed a new deal if the team wanted to keep him.
Demarcus Ware has two years remaining on his current contract.
There's no need to extend Ware since he's coming off two injury marred seasons and under contract through 2015.
Ware needs to accept a pay cut, which will drop his cap numbers while still paying him fairly.
Ware has averaged $6.375M over the past four seasons.
Reducing Ware's 2014 base salary ($12.25M) by $6M and his 2015 base salary ($13.75) by $7M seems perfectly reasonable.
Ware would make $6.25M this year and $6.75M next year ($13M total) while Dallas would save $13M over the two seasons.
Ware's agent will check around to see what his client can expect as a free agent if released. I don't think there's any chance of another team offering Ware more than he can make with the Cowboys the next two years.
Ware's contract is currently set to void following the 2015 season.
I never said that restructuring is always good as compared to cutting a player. Restructuring is always ok if you are keeping that player anyway. Paying Ware 12.25M for 2014 is not a good idea regardless of whether it is done with or without a restructure.
Last year was the only time that they really maxed out against the cap and that was due to the franchise tag for Spencer. All other years they didn't restructure all contracts.
If they paid Carr more than his production deserves, that was not the fault of restructuring. It was a mistake when they signed the contract. All contracts now have significant guaranteed money. Teams can't get away from giving out guaranteed money even if they didn't want to push any money into the future. A signing bonus is always going to be pushed into the future.
Interesting point about teams like Jacksonville possibly not being able to meet payroll. I have not studied the minimum spending requirement of the CBA. I would assume that if the 2016 cap is 30M over the 2013 cap, that each team is getting an extra 30M in real dollars to spend.
With regards to the signing of Allen, Durant and Sims, I'm not sure that the Cowboys would have done much more than that in free agency regardless of the cap. They thought they were set on DL, the SLB is a part time player and they probably thought that one of the young Safeties would step up and take that job. They didn't think they needed anything on offense. They ended up short on depth at Guard, but in the Spring they thought the Livings would be on the team.
Ware is technically under contract until 2017. There were 2 voidable years added (similar to suggs) in the 2012 extension so to maximize the cap.
The base salaries in those year s are $13M each.
To maximize/optimize the cap number another year would need to be added - 2018 and the $6M salary would be split as $840K+5.16M/5 - adding $4M of dead money at the end of the year. It essentially puts them mathematically at the same $8-9M dead money figure for next year.
Any paycut will help, but adding years and maxing/optimizing the cap charge for a player at all costs has risks
There's no need to do another maximum restructure (5yrs) or restructure (4yrs) with Ware.
All the team needs to do is get Ware to agree to lower his base salaries this year ($12.25M) and next ($13.75M).
It's completely unnecessary to alter Ware's new 2014 base salary by giving him a new signing bonus if he agrees to take a pay cut.
If Ware's play doesn't improve in 2014, he will likely be released in 2015, so why give him another bonus now and increase your dead money if that happens?
There's no reason to restructure Ware's salary following a pay cut.
The savings generated by the pay cut will suffice in this case.
So assume Ware takes a 4-5M pay cut, do you think it is wise to add a 2018 year to Ware's deal and pay $840K base + prorate the rest just to optimize the 2014 cap?
I had a Carr and Finnegan example. Both signed 5yr/$50M deals, The Rams have more flexibility with the Finnegan contract. Finnegan has zero negotiating power on that deal. The $50M was market rate, but the strategy Dallas employs makes evaluation less clean. If new coaches or GMs came into both Dallas or Pitt today and wanted to gut many players, There is built in limit on the Dallas side because of the contract structures.
Agree that last year Spencer was the FA splash, But since we kept him for 2 years at $10M per, restructuring could have added to more dead money this year. This way (we over payed) but hands are washed. Spencer is a whole other debate.
Maybe another comparison - Look at the Roddy White and Miles Austin. Both signed 6-year deals around $8.5M -$9M per. Roddy's was more pay as you go and Miles was restructured twice. Perhaps Dallas would like to keep Miles for a couple of years at a reduced salary - however, I can't see how adding another voidable year and moving $3M (vs $5M) to a bonus is benefitting the team. Atlanta can do anything they want with Roddy. If he is flat cut - cap benefit, extended benefit, salary reduced, benefit. I would think that Dimitroff is seen as a prudent GM. Atlanta surely has had more success in recent years (on the whole) than Dallas. They don't employ the same strategy as Dallas. Same with Philly, Same with GB, etc.
Again, all restructures aren't bad, but repeated max/optimized restructures (vet minimum each year + 5 year prorated bonus with extensions) can snowball.
Of course, I am a financial market and credit risk guy, so any time I see anything purported as ZERO risk / only upside I get ancy.
Appreciate the Good dialogue.
Not a signing bonus but restructure base salary (current) into min salary + restructure bonus.
The big picture of the salary cap is counter intuitive to someone with a financial background. Many things that are ingrained in the thought process of financial analysis don't hold true with the salary cap.
There are 2 parts to a given years cap costs. The current expenditures and the costs that were pushed forward from previous years. A team can operate continuously with the total cap costs that exceed the NFL salary cap as long as the current expenditures, on average, do not exceed the NFL cap limit.
Simplistic Example:
The cap is 100M.
CCE = Current year cap expenditure
Carryover = the amount that was pushed into the current year from previous years.
Push Forward = The amount that is being pushed forward into future years.
Year 1: The team has 150M cap commitment in February and must get under the cap in March. They restructure contracts to push 50M into year 2.
Year 2: The current year expenditure is 100M but there is 50M that carried over from year 1. They push 50M into year 3.
Year 3: CCE = 100M, Carryover=50M, Push Foward=50M
Year 4: CCE = 100M, Carryover=50M, Push Foward=50M
Year 5: CCE = 100M, Carryover=50M, Push Foward=50M
In the example, it appears that the team cap commitment is 150M; however, in reality they are just spending 100M that year and pushing the previous 50M forward every year. They never have to pay off the 50M. It would be like getting a person getting a zero interest 1 year, 50M loan with the ability to get a new 50M loan each year to pay off the previous loan. Because there is no interest, you could do this forever.
In reality, the "loan" does come due when players are no longer on the team; however, they will be "borrowing" against the contracts of other players to offset it. It averages out similar to the example.
The Cowboys cap commitment for 2014 appears to be about 151M, broken down as follows for the top 51 contracts + dead money:
Current players cap hits: 139.9M
Dead money from players like Ratliff: 11.8M
Total: 151M
However, the total for all base salaries for 2014 is 95.8M; therefore their CCE=95.8M and the Carryover= 151M - 95.8M = 55.2M.
With the NFL cap limit at around 130M, the Cowboys are well below the breaking point because their commitment in base salaries prior to any restructuring is only 95.8M.
They can operate indefinitely with a CCE=95.8M and Carryover=55.2M; however, they would not be able to operate continuously with a CCE of 145.8M and a Carryover of 5.2M even though it adds up to 151M in both scenarios.
Example of operating over the breaking point (cap limit = 100M):
Year 1: The team has 150M cap commitment in February and must get under the cap in March. They restructure contracts to push 50M into year 2.
Year 2: The current year expenditure is 110M but there is 50M that carried over from year 1. They push 60M into year 3.
Year 3: CCE = 110M, Carryover=60M, Push Foward=70M
Year 4: CCE = 110M, Carryover=70M, Push Foward=80M
Year 5: CCE = 110M, Carryover=80M, Push Foward=90M
As you can see, the Carryover continues to increase and at some point they can't restructure enough to overcome the Carryover.
It's the same thing.
Bonus money is bonus money, whether it's referred to as a signing bonus or a restructure bonus, it pro-rates over the life of the contract up to five years.
Dallas doesn't need to do give Demarcus Ware any more bonus money.
Ware needs to take a pay cut this year and next if he wants to remain with the team.
As long as Ware agrees to this, nothing else needs to be done with his contract.
It's the same thing.
Bonus money is bonus money, whether it's referred to as a signing bonus or a restructure bonus, it pro-rates over the life of the contract up to five years.
Dallas doesn't need to do give Demarcus Ware any more bonus money.
Ware needs to take a pay cut this year and next if he wants to remain with the team.
As long as Ware agrees to this, nothing else needs to be done with his contract.
Ultimately, you are right in another post. It has allowed Dallas to operate as an 8-8 team and if it was more conservative it's likely the team may have been a 4-12 team. I think there is some value being forced to re-start. This strategies allows prolonging and masking that and don't think that is deniable
That is the key point to me. Jerry wants to compete for the division every year and they have every year except for 2010 since Romo took over. I don't think he could sell a couple 4-12 seasons with the new stadium.