Retooling the offense!

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I too think that the 3 newest o line players may play better in their college positions , after all that's what got them drafted to Nfl. Smith to lt. Bebee to lg . Leave Martin at rg . Guyton to rt .

Draft a center, wr2, rb1, rb2 in rounds 1,2 in 25,26. Fix the defense last. Throw games in 25,26 to just let rookies learn the ropes.
 

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The Cowboys are going to have many needs going into the offseason. There is no way they can satisfy them all with a 7 round draft and you don't look for immediate help in rookie free agency.

If the Cowboys wish to compete at all in 2025 they must commit to making an impact during veteran free agency. They need to start liking other team's guys.
 

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Just add motion to the pre snap and don't be static. Also have routes to pull coverage away from another wr. And not have 2 wrs in the same area
 

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The oline is much to blame for for the woes. He has no time and there are no holes
 

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This is not a Dak must go post, he is under contract and he is remain the starting QB for at least 2 seasons.

How do you fix this offense from personnel and scheme?

-Offense truly lacks any legitimate skilled positional players, outside of Lamb. They basically are playing bottom of the roster types at both WR and RB. Clearly, they need another alpha type receiver who will allow Lamb to see less attention and a legitimate explosive back.

-OL is in flux. Steele is a legitimate cut candidate after this season, he just hasn't returned to his pre-injury form. He is a major liability in pass protection. Guyton is a green rookie that seems to struggle with inside moves, he just needs more reps/experience as he possesses all the natural tools. Richards has always looked good in camp, the team needs to give him more of an opportunity. Zach Martin isn't an elite player anymore, is Beebe a better Guard then a Center? Solari has been a downgrade as the new OL Coach. They must replace Solari with more of a modern coach who is adverse with today's rushing schemes.

-MM scheme is totally outdated and easy to defend. There is no pre snap motion, rarely do we see a basic screen, receivers are always covered and he never stays with the run game, even when it's working. When you watch other offenses, you see receivers wide open, but never within this offense. Offenses today model the Shannahan/McVay, ton of pre-snap motion, mis-direction and easy reads for the QB. Problem here is they have pretty much the old air coryell type of personnel, which demands that the OL hold up in pass pro.

Like I used with the defense, the Lions are a good comparison to how you build a elite offense:

Goff-is real good when his run game gets going and doesn't move off his spot.
Montgomery/Gibbs-power/speed combo
St. Brown (their Lamb), excels in the slot, Williams the true speedy deep threat
LaPorta-an excellent all-around TE.
Their OL has 2 stars, with the rest working well as a unit-Sewell, Ragnow

You just look at their personnel and scheme, the Cowboys are no where near that type of unit. Sure, they have some parts, but need to start adding other pieces.

Year 1-should be landing that #2 receiver and addressing the RB position.
retooling the offense? lets start by getting two tackles because both of what we have suck.
then lets get a real RB, one that doesn't role to the LOS, but actually is up right and at least walking.
Cooks is Cooked.... Tolbert is Meh, should be the 4th WR. I am not sure outside of punt returns and kick returns why Turpin is on this team.
we need to cut a few fats from the team, on offense and one of them is Schoonmaker, who was 3rd on the depth Chart before Ford's injury.
 

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How much of this do you guys think we can fix with the draft?
 

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How much of this do you guys think we can fix with the draft?
If you have a top 10 pick, realistically you hope for 3 impact players day 1. This doesn’t mean all are starters but play a meaningful role
 

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retooling the offense? lets start by getting two tackles because both of what we have suck.
then lets get a real RB, one that doesn't role to the LOS, but actually is up right and at least walking.
Cooks is Cooked.... Tolbert is Meh, should be the 4th WR. I am not sure outside of punt returns and kick returns why Turpin is on this team.
we need to cut a few fats from the team, on offense and one of them is Schoonmaker, who was 3rd on the depth Chart before Ford's injury.
We do have Richards in our stable who has looked good each preseason. You have to figure Guyton gets better has all the tools. A player like Nathan Thomas could figure in down the line. The team also has the option of moving Tyler Smith to tackle
 

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We do have Richards in our stable who has looked good each preseason. You have to figure Guyton gets better has all the tools. A player like Nathan Thomas could figure in down the line. The team also has the option of moving Tyler Smith to tackle
outside of Smith none of them are top 20 in their positions. Steele and Guyton are bottom of the tackles in the NFL. beebe has potential, but he is a rookie playing the second toughest position on the OL.

if Jerry had balls and wasn't trying to just save money, he would dump steele, and move guyton to RT, where he is better suited and played in college. time for Martin to retire, but will he? will jerry cut him? he doesn't have the balls, nor does he want to have dead cap on his hands....that contract is riding to the end and then martin retires. Richards is average. he is your swing back up tackle at best.

this is the second year in a row our draft has been awful. and when we don't spend in FA, then the results are what you see on the field.
 

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We can't retool the offense, it will contain the same bunch of tools next week that it did last week
 

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I think they need to publicly say they think that the plague calls in the scheming sucks what are they going to do what is this coaching staff have they been neutered they can't do anything I would like to see them all changing the plays and really going off the deep end I'd like to see the coaches lose the team but not in a way where they play that the team just starts ignoring the coaches game plans and in the middle of the game just start playing Sandlot football and get this figured out both sides of the ball I think Prescott I mean what are you going to do Jerry says we don't want him to run what exactly are you going to do if Prescott decides he wants to run a lot in one game, you going to send him down, you benching him, are you cutting him??!!


What power does Jerry Jones and this coaching staff actually have if this team decided go full mutiny on this staff??


I mean isn't that the problem here we say that Mike McCarthy both as a head coach and more so as the offensive coordinators failing big time when you're not running the football all day long like it means something and you become one dimension on your hanging your quarterback out to dry and then you don't try to get help with your tackles or you're not locating I thought the main job is to locate the middle linebacker especially if his name is Fred Warner..

I don't get this fan base at all,


I mean which is it?!



I mean which is it you literally break these games down and you pick on the wrong players…. IMHO.



I thought that the narrative around here was that Jerry Jones and his budget basement diving for free agents, he doesn't make enough trades, he's not aggressive enough, he doesn't do enough to change the narrative on a regular basis in the offseason, then we come into that season and you act surprised when we have some attrition and a lot of injuries that there's no way to recover from it, but let's pick on the players that are just trying a little too hard because they have no choice.


How is it that you're running your fullback on 3rd and five instead of using your quarterback and the fullback in blocking some full blocking package maybe call a option play do something but that was one of the worst calls I've ever seen by a professional coach like you were going to trick somebody and then you don't even block the middle linebacker isn't that what most of the call outs are calling 54 or 55 whatever you're supposed to locate the middle linebacker especially if he's the best player on the field??

I mean you have Mike McCarthy designing high school type route trees and maybe I'm delusional saying this because it's supposed to be the West Coast offense but I've seen better stuff running by the better Texas high school teams that are competing for championships on a yearly basis… They're more creative than that, I mean when you break down the film even Troy Aikman said there's no separation, the routes are just confusing, they're too close together, they they're all in the same depth, I mean you have defenders being able to lurk around from their man and fade under and help somebody else that they weren't even supposed to help, and come underneath and get interceptions because the routes are so close together...

I mean you're going to blame Prescott for yes he was getting hit on the 1st interception he didn't get enough on it but this is because both tackles are having problems and the pressure is there almost all game, and I'm not saying it's the worst blocking I've ever seen, but on a consistent basis it's not good, and when your receivers are not getting open fast enough, or they're never open sometimes, your quarterback is just trying to give your better players an opportunity to make a play and instead you have Turpin dropping a past, Lamb never challenging the DB to avoid the INT, and when you're throwing in the tight coverage…


I know we can't blame that tight end early in the game he got his hands on it but he was double covered but the ball was thrown accurately it just wasn't caught and I'm not blaming him but I'm saying this is what the coverages look like,



anybody out here that somehow is delusional blaming Prescott and naming his $60 million contract not really looking at the fact that they have a terrible offensive play caller, terrible scheme, terrible execution by the skill players, and completely abandoning the run game is the worst run game in the NFL, and then you add in bad defense!!!



YET, somehow, we're trying to pick out certain players on the team?? when right now the main problem we have here is the coaching staff and the general manager who's unwilling to help the team.



I get it, at first, I was like yes, we do have a lot of players coming back and it is like you're bringing in new players, but it's a little late for that, you need to add on top of that a couple other players like other teams are doing, whether it works or not make an effort!!



but that's the deal somehow we're blaming the players for what everyone has said for three months that there wasn't enough done in the offseason, not enough done since the beginning of the season when these injuries started happening, and instead of going out and trying to fill those needs and right now before the trade deadline he's saying that we're OK and we're going to make a historical turn around and that might even be true we don't know there's still 10 games left..



But I can't for the life of me understand why we're picking on individual players when most of this is about the scheme or the lack of scheme the lack of adjustments and the coaches just don't have a clue on how to fix what's been broken here and some of it I don't have enough players but on offense Mike McCarthy is the most horrible play caller we've ever had!!


I didn't say it last year because I thought the first year of his offense they would have the first half of the playbook and then they would build on it and we have come into this team relatively healthy on offense we're missing Brandon cooks that's it I mean they had an opportunity to move Tyler Smith back out the left tackle and use a different left guard and then maybe put guy in that right tackle and make some moves to improve the offensive line and didn't do it they have the players on offense that they basically started with so they have no excuse on why they're so bad but when we watch the film nobody's getting open on a regular basis and when they're open the separation rates are some of the worst in football and then you have to add in what I said the scheme's horrible there's too many people close to each other I watch other teams they have guys almost at least one on every play that's almost wide open and it's up to the quarterback to get that guy the ball if he's not being pressured and running for his life..


Yes, I know that this is going to fall on deaf ears most people are not going to read it because this is my first time posting since Sunday, because I can't deal with most of the people in here and I knew I was going to go on a full rant, and I'm going to put this on every page so everyone is forced to see my rant!!


I'm forced to see them picking on players when really this starts from the top; Jerry Jones and the coaching staff first and foremost those things could have been fixed at the bye week and instead yeah Mike McCarthy lying to us the run game was working in the first half and I don't care what the score was you abandon it 56 yards by a professional team and not doing anything in the second-half it's on the coaching staff not the players it's on the coaching staff...



This has been by far the worst run game I've ever seen and it's not because the players name it's not because of Derrick Henry this is non commitment to the run game if you run the ball 25 to 30 * a game in which you need to get any kind of resemblance of a run game can wear a defense out it helps your quarterback by not having the defense be able to tee off because they know it's one dimensional.....just UGHH!!!
 

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I have always wondered if the issue with the offense bears a similarity to the "what came first: the chicken or the egg" argument. Is the problem with our offense lack of scheme, creativity, poor offensive line, lack of playmakers, or is it on Dak? Maybe some of all of the above. But ponder this. In the two years that we had Kellen Moore as our OC, we had a top-5 offense. Now during that time, we had Amari and Gallup to pair with Lamb. We also had Schultz, and although I believe Ferguson is a better TE, Dak had a better rapport with Schultz. Also consider, that Zeke was still somewhat productive, complemented by Pollard's playmaking ability; and a veteran OL to boot. Despite all that, I remember many fans on this forum calling out KM for his lack of creativity and the anemic route-running tree with our WRs. I shared that opinion. We had 7-8 yard curl routes with KM and still have the same route-running tree with MM. But why? Is the problem a lack of OC creativity, or is the play calling and route-running an extension of the ability, or lack thereof, of our QB. Every Sunday, in other games I see WRs run better routes and catch passes while still running. I see other WRs around the league get a bunch of YAC, but our guys have to find a spot on the field, turn around, stop and catch the ball, and if they are lucky maybe have an opportunity to turn up the field for extra yardage. Could the problem be that we have a QB incapable of accurately throwing WRs while on the move, thereby explaining the lack of vertical seam routes, slants, post-patterns, and crossing routes? Let me know what you think.
 

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outside of Smith none of them are top 20 in their positions. Steele and Guyton are bottom of the tackles in the NFL. beebe has potential, but he is a rookie playing the second toughest position on the OL.

if Jerry had balls and wasn't trying to just save money, he would dump steele, and move guyton to RT, where he is better suited and played in college. time for Martin to retire, but will he? will jerry cut him? he doesn't have the balls, nor does he want to have dead cap on his hands....that contract is riding to the end and then martin retires. Richards is average. he is your swing back up tackle at best.

this is the second year in a row our draft has been awful. and when we don't spend in FA, then the results are what you see on the field.
I didn't like the Guyton selection cause he was very raw and needed time, but he does have elite traits. We have to be patient with him, Steele doesn't have the same physical gifts and does have the excuse he is still developing. Is Beebe a better Guard or Center?
 

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I didn't like the Guyton selection cause he was very raw and needed time, but he does have elite traits. We have to be patient with him, Steele doesn't have the same physical gifts and does have the excuse he is still developing. Is Beebe a better Guard or Center?
I think guyton is a RT, and should be moved there. you don't sign your QB to 60M (not an argument of if he is worth that or not, just pure numbers) and then put in a rookie LT that needs to learn the position...its like I bought a ferarri and put in a Kia Sedona wheels on there. (again, don't mean to say Dak is a ferarri, just making an analogy).
 

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To fix it.

1. New coaches new better modern scheme
2. Draft better players with speed
 

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I think guyton is a RT, and should be moved there. you don't sign your QB to 60M (not an argument of if he is worth that or not, just pure numbers) and then put in a rookie LT that needs to learn the position...its like I bought a ferarri and put in a Kia Sedona wheels on there. (again, don't mean to say Dak is a ferarri, just making an analogy).
They should of signed a veteran starter and allowed to bring along Guyton slowly.
 

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This is not a Dak must go post, he is under contract and he is remain the starting QB for at least 2 seasons.

How do you fix this offense from personnel and scheme?

-Offense truly lacks any legitimate skilled positional players, outside of Lamb. They basically are playing bottom of the roster types at both WR and RB. Clearly, they need another alpha type receiver who will allow Lamb to see less attention and a legitimate explosive back.

-OL is in flux. Steele is a legitimate cut candidate after this season, he just hasn't returned to his pre-injury form. He is a major liability in pass protection. Guyton is a green rookie that seems to struggle with inside moves, he just needs more reps/experience as he possesses all the natural tools. Richards has always looked good in camp, the team needs to give him more of an opportunity. Zach Martin isn't an elite player anymore, is Beebe a better Guard then a Center? Solari has been a downgrade as the new OL Coach. They must replace Solari with more of a modern coach who is adverse with today's rushing schemes.

-MM scheme is totally outdated and easy to defend. There is no pre snap motion, rarely do we see a basic screen, receivers are always covered and he never stays with the run game, even when it's working. When you watch other offenses, you see receivers wide open, but never within this offense. Offenses today model the Shannahan/McVay, ton of pre-snap motion, mis-direction and easy reads for the QB. Problem here is they have pretty much the old air coryell type of personnel, which demands that the OL hold up in pass pro.

Like I used with the defense, the Lions are a good comparison to how you build a elite offense:

Goff-is real good when his run game gets going and doesn't move off his spot.
Montgomery/Gibbs-power/speed combo
St. Brown (their Lamb), excels in the slot, Williams the true speedy deep threat
LaPorta-an excellent all-around TE.
Their OL has 2 stars, with the rest working well as a unit-Sewell, Ragnow

You just look at their personnel and scheme, the Cowboys are no where near that type of unit. Sure, they have some parts, but need to start adding other pieces.

Year 1-should be landing that #2 receiver and addressing the RB position.
This is not a Dak must go post, he is under contract and he is remain the starting QB for at least 2 seasons.

Enough it's a loss-loss situation from your first sentence.................... :facepalm:
 
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