Revisit DE...opinions changed?

[InmanRoshi]

We desperately need to improve the speed, athleticism and versatility of the defensive front 7. There isn't just one position that needs to be upgraded. The entire unit is slow and lacks athleticism. While everyone else is infatuated with the idea of getting some fat guy to play NT and moving Ratliff to DE, I would be more focused on getting smaller and faster. I would cascade players inside to improve the overall speed of the unit. Moving Spears inside full time, moving Spencer to DE and getting an athletic OLB is more in line of what I'm thinking.

 

[SDogo]

Does Dallas need more pass rush? Yes. Can it come from the 3-4 end position? Sure, if the defense is set up that way and you find the right guy. However, if I had my choice between a 3-4 end and an upgrade to Spencer's spot, I'd take the upgrade at Spencer's spot first.

I noted what you said and to a degree I'm going to go with the agree to disagree route

With that said, I would prefer a Kerrigan type over a flat out replacement for Spencer. Not that it matters this year because that guy simply is not in this draft. sooo........by default I too would rather replace Spencer at this point.

 

[junk]

I noted what you said and to a degree I'm going to go with the agree to disagree route

With that said, I would prefer a Kerrigan type over a flat out replacement for Spencer. Not that it matters this year because that guy simply is not in this draft. sooo........by default I too would rather replace Spencer at this point.

I guess that falls under the "agree to disagree" part because Kerrigan would be a replacement for Spencer. That is the position he would play. Not Spears, not Hatchers. He'd be an OLB, not with his hand in the dirt in a 3man front.

I think you'll get a lot of funny looks, not just from me, if you call Kerrigan a 3-4 end including from the Commanders HC.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/s...n-Defensive-Rookie-of-the-Year-136048228.html

Impressive numbers -- especially considering Kerrigan is still learning the linebacker position after playing 4-3 defensive end at Purdue.

“You don’t see too many rookies that handle themselves like he does, especially guys that go from defensive end that were a normal defensive end in college to a linebacker position in the pros,” Shanahan said.

 

[SDogo]

I guess that falls under the "agree to disagree" part because Kerrigan would be a replacement for Spencer. That is the position he would play. Not Spears, not Hatchers. He'd be an OLB, not with his hand in the dirt in a 3man front.

I think you'll get a lot of funny looks, not just from me, if you call Kerrigan a 3-4 end including from the Commanders HC.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/s...n-Defensive-Rookie-of-the-Year-136048228.html

Agree to disagree...if he lines up at DE for a majority of his snaps he is playing DE.

Simple terminology disagreement.

 

[ThrowuptheXDez88]

what about Chandler Jones from Syracuse? What kinda stock does he have right now, I would definitely take him in the 2nd or 3rd.. Not sure where he will fall, but I watched a couple of Cuse games this year & he impressed me at times

 

[SDogo]

what about Chandler Jones from Syracuse? What kinda stock does he have right now, I would definitely take him in the 2nd or 3rd.. Not sure where he will fall, but I watched a couple of Cuse games this year & he impressed me at times

Interesting name, not a lot of fan fare or media attention.

Playing for Syracuse probably does not help but he missed 5 games this past season and it hurt his numbers. He was productive when on the field. At one point and this may come as a shock to some he had a pretty secure 1st round grade if he decided to come out. I think he settles somewhere in round 2 at this point but he is someone no one is talking about.

He has great technique and plays with power. Also very fluid for a big guy. I don't see a lot of Pro-Bowl caliber potential with him but I think he will have a long productive career in the NFL and is the type of guy teams need on a roster.

 

[casmith07]

Interesting

I like the line of thinking though.

Spencer runs into problems when we ask him to do linebacker things.

Have him line up and put his hand down and just beat the guy in front of him. Line up Ware behind him at OLB - who you gonna block?

 

[RS12]

DE would have to be a difference maker like Ingram. Pass rush has to be priority one.

 

[VACowboy]

SD, I just noticed the mock in your sig. I LOVE your first four picks and the Shea McClellin selection. Now, if you could work Derek Wolf in there somehow and replace Davis with Matt Daniels, it'd be perfect.

 

[SDogo]

SD, I just noticed the mock in your sig. I LOVE your first four picks and the Shea McClellin selection. Now, if you could work Derek Wolf in there somehow and replace Davis with Matt Daniels, it'd be perfect.

Glad McClellin rings a bell with someone. The kid is a player and just flat out productive. Not to mention he knows how to find a QB!

 

[junk]

Agree to disagree...if he lines up at DE for a majority of his snaps he is playing DE.

Simple terminology disagreement.

I'd agree it is a terminology disagreement. I'm not sure you are differentiating between a 3-4 end and pass rushing end in nickel/dime situations.

Saying DE and 3-4 DE are two completely different things. Like I said before, putting your hand on the ground in the nickel isn't a "3-4 end".

Kerrigan is a 3-4 OLB. Does he stick his hand on the ground in nickel and dime? Yes. So do Ware and Spencer on occasion.

The starting 3-4 ends for Dallas are Coleman and Hatcher. For Washington, it's Carriker and Bowen. Kerrigan could not and does not play those positions.

Now you've got people on the board thinking you can transition Spencer to end in the base 3-4.

The premise of your original post is wrong.

The reasoning? I have been told the position is simply not important. 3-4 DE's dont rush the passer.....I think someone forgot to tell JJ Watt and Ryan Kerrigan.

Kerrigan is not a 3-4 end. He's a 3-4 OLB. He plays end in nickel and dime fronts, but the role of that pass rushing position and a 3-4 end are entirely different.

Traditionally, 3-4 ends do not get as many sacks in the 3-4 as the OLBers. Their job is to engage and control the LOS freeing up the pass rushers to get to the QB. Occasionally you have a rare talent like Watt or Seymour that get a decent number of sacks.

And, finally, it isn't like Watt even had that many sacks. 5.5? Hatcher had 4.5.

 

[junk]

Spencer runs into problems when we ask him to do linebacker things.

Have him line up and put his hand down and just beat the guy in front of him. Line up Ware behind him at OLB - who you gonna block?

Who is going to stop the run?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Really like Derek Wolfe in the 2nd round.

Agreed on the Cowboy 3-4 DE's. For the most part they're "stiffs", who are easily handled one-on-one by opposing linemen. What's needed is one guy who can pickup a handful of sacks as a 3-4 DE.

 

[The Realist]

So where is Crick going 1 or 2?

 

[casmith07]

Who is going to stop the run?

Bruce Carter, Sean Lee?

 

[SDogo]

So where is Crick going 1 or 2?

Late 1, early 2 :

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I think you need to watch more Commanders games. Despite his listing as a LB on the depth chart he played over 70% of his snaps with his hand on the ground at DE. Trust me, I had to ask the right questions to the right people before I included him because I wondered myself.

5 of his 7.5 sacks came from the DE position.

that doesn't mean he can hold at the point of attack in a 3-4 base. lots of 3-4 olbs play de on passing downs, but would get killed on rushing downs, and kerrigan would too.

But overall, I agree that a 3-4 DE would be a good selection. I'm torn between Devon Still in round 1 and David DeCastro. Hopefully we fill one of those needs in free agency.

 

[SDogo]

that doesn't mean he can hold at the point of attack in a 3-4 base. lots of 3-4 olbs play de on passing downs, but would get killed on rushing downs, and kerrigan would too.

But overall, I agree that a 3-4 DE would be a good selection. I'm torn between Devon Still in round 1 and David DeCastro. Hopefully we fill one of those needs in free agency.

I'm a Penn St fan, graduate and homer and I don't even know if I would take Still. Todays game was a prime example why. He should of dominated that game and you would be hard pressed to know he was even in uniform. He is way too hot and cold for me.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I'm a Penn St fan, graduate and homer and I don't even know if I would take Still. Todays game was a prime example why. He should of dominated that game and you would be hard pressed to know he was even in uniform. He is way too hot and cold for me.

so what DEs do you think carry a first round grade? Quinton Coples could fall to us on draft day, but he was a bit dissappointing all season. Crick would be a good option, maybe in round 2 after trading down or even round 3.

 

[SDogo]

so what DEs do you think carry a first round grade? Quinton Coples could fall to us on draft day, but he was a bit dissappointing all season. Crick would be a good option, maybe in round 2 after trading down or even round 3.

It's a weak class for DE's. I love Winn and Crick in the 2nd. You can add Brandon Thompson to that list as well.

In the 1st the only one I would consider is Fletcher Cox or Coples.