Rich Gosselin’s list and three questions

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Rich Gosselin isn't a draft guru. However, Gosselin is a great journalist when it comes to questioning team sources, discovering which players are valued highest by teams and compiling the best list outlining the top 100 college players.

No list is perfect. Draft boards will always vary from team-to-team. Every year, general managers and coaches throughout the league have their own pet cats which they move up their boards. Selecting the ‘Best Player Available’ remains the strongest draft strategy year-in, year-out, but other factors will always impact the consensus BPAs.

For discussion purposes, let’s associate Gosselin’s top 32 players on his list as the league’s consensus choices of first round level players, the next 32 as second round level players and the final 36 as third round level players. Here’s how Gosselin’s list matched players selected round for round:

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66 out of 100 players. Still, again, no list is perfect. Players will always move slightly up or down the board every April during each draft. The following two tables illustrate which players on Gosselin’s list were selected in either the immediate round above or below the league’s consensus:

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26 of the remaining 34 players were selected in the rounds just above or below the BPA values teams placed upon those players. After taking into consideration that there are 32 different draft strategies with many, many more sub-contingencies which teams attempt to compensate as the draft progresses by enacting trades, a one round difference is very acceptable in my book. Finally:

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As with any draft, players with higher grades on 32 different draft boards pushed some consensus players too far down the board (or completely off it) to continue being labeled as rock solid, consensus top 100 players. Perhaps top 150 or 200, but not top 100. Even so, 8 out of 100 ain’t half bad in my opinion.

Three questions.

A. Do you believe that Gosselin’s sources are genuine? Looking at the results, they certainly seem to be to me.

B. Can anyone name a ‘draft guru’ or site who/which comes as close as Gosselin’s projection? Please be sure include their top 100 list and which rounds the players were actually selected in.

C. If Jason Williams and Robert Brewster were considered top 100 players, why would anyone not grade either player as great picks—simply because Jerry Jones purposely positioned himself in the third round to select them?
 

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There's is one GLARING flaw in your analysis...






IT MAKES TOOOOO MUCH SENSE!

Great Job!
 

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Goose usually does well with where people are drafted. He likely has one or two high placed guys who give him their draft boards and he just goes from there. I expect that you could take most teams boards and find a similar level of accuracy
 

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mperfection;2755142 said:
There's is one GLARING flaw in your analysis...






IT MAKES TOOOOO MUCH SENSE!

Great Job!
Thanks.

AbeBeta;2755163 said:
Goose usually does well with where people are drafted. He likely has one or two high placed guys who give him their draft boards and he just goes from there. I expect that you could take most teams boards and find a similar level of accuracy
I agree with that premise. If the premise is true, Dallas' board, along with other teams, ranked both players in the third round and that's where Jerry Jones selected them.
 

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This was a fantastic post. I'd like to see someone add Mel Kiper's top 100 to the list and associated info, along w/ Matt Mosley and few other of these draft "gurus" and see if they are as accurate as Goose...
 

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Nice post, btw.

DallasEast;2754981 said:
Three questions.

A. Do you believe that Gosselin’s sources are genuine? Looking at the results, they certainly seem to be to me.

B. Can anyone name a ‘draft guru’ or site who/which comes as close as Gosselin’s projection? Please be sure include their top 100 list and which rounds the players were actually selected in.

C. If Jason Williams and Robert Brewster were considered top 100 players, why would anyone not grade either player as great picks—simply because Jerry Jones purposely positioned himself in the third round to select them?
Of course his sources are 100% genuine. The reason I know is that the guys is absolutely clueless about football. Seriously, he's an idiot when it comes to football. So, for him to be this accurate, he has to have amazing sources.

Jason Williams was our most inspired pick in the draft -- not sure how anyone can think it was a bad pick. The guy has unbelievable physical ability. Honestly, I'm truly amazed he wasn't drafted higher.
 

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Dude this is an excellent work!!

Thanks...I hope it makes more people aware of why the team picked those guys.:bow:
 

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physeter;2755225 said:
Dude this is an excellent work!!

Thanks...I hope it makes more people aware of why the team picked those guys.:bow:


Well, I'm disgusted with this draft! We shoud have drafted starters at all positions...future HOF'ers!


:mad:
 

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Great job.

Yes, Goose's sources are genuine. Not only do the results show it, but he's a writer that has written some of the most illogical and irrational work I've ever seen, except come draft time. It's kind of like the lousy student who suddenly gets an A on a test right during the time he was sitting right next to the valedictorian.

NFLDraftCountDown is pretty decent. Kiper has sources, but most of them are college coaches, usually of the assistant coach type. Most of his NFL sources are scouts. The issue I have with some of these guys is that instead of gathering info and presenting it, they tend to think like they are a scout as well.



YAKUZA
 

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The issue I have with some of these guys is that instead of gathering info and presenting it, they tend to think like they are a scout as well.

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Yes, it is annoying.

Goose did that a lot as well on The Ticket during this draft.
 

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super work, great job buddy, keep it coming

and yes i love goose, i have posted on this site about his work all the time and that i use him mock draft when i enter in the nfl.com sweepstakes and i love his top 100 too
 

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AbeBeta;2755163 said:
He likely has one or two high placed guys who give him their draft boards and he just goes from there.
My understanding is that Goose polls as many GMs or front office execs from as many teams as possible in order to try and create a legitimate consensus for player value.

He doesn't reveal how each of teams responding to his poll and graded prospects or who did the work. He keeps that information private, allowing those participating to trust him and be as honest as possible.

All 32 NFL teams reportedly look at his list because of this.

It's more truthful than anything in a sea of lies and disinformation right before the draft.
 

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It is clear that you are totally mistaken. It is absolutely FALSE that Goose looks at one or more of the boards for the 32 NFL teams. It is incontrovertible that Goose looks at one or more of the boards of 31 NFL teams. There is no way you can convince me that Goose has any access into the Raiders organization. ;-)

Great post.
 

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Good work. That is interesting to look at.

Plus, Robert Brewster and Jason Williams were not from BSC conferences, and they made the top his top 100.

IMO, that has meaning when you consider Gosselin's sources.

If you read the draft zone back in early March or February, you knew all about Jason Williams.
 

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DE, You've gone and done it again. Subjecting this board to cold hard calculations, common sense, and intelligent posting. You are going to confuse us... ;p

Nice post, and thanks.
 
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