Ricky Williams applies for reinstatement

[AbeBeta]

yes...lets make excuses for those who break the law

David

It isn't an excuse -- it is entirely consistent with the behavior of people diagnosed with social anxiety disorder. In fact, that is one of the ways you diagnose the disorder.

 

[Doomsday101]

To err is human. To forgive is divine.

If a few years can first pass and he proves that he has overcome his addiction, I say give him his shot. Of course, the passage of time isn't favorable for a professional athlete, especially a running back, but the guy hasn't even proven that he can remain clean for any stretch of time.

Problem I have is after 1 positive the player has to take part in the NFL treatment program and they know they will be tested up to 10 times a month. Now you get nailed 3 more times? I question the intelligence of the person. The league is giving you opportunities and if you not willing to help yourself I would not be willing to waste time and money on an idiot.

 

[joseephuss]

They may then again when he failed he went off to the CFL and was not being tested at all. We will see what the league office does.

Sure the CFL does not test, but the NFL does. The NFL has been testing him. He had to undergo tests since he was placed on suspension if he had any hopes of returning to the NFL. If he didn't, he would not be able to apply for reinstatement. That is part of the deal. The doctors(hired by the NFL) that monitor him will provide Goodell with their professional opinion on whether they think Williams should be allowed to come back to the NFL. It will then be up to Goodell to decide.

I don't see why he should be banned for life. Just does not fit the crime. Now I don't think any team should rush to sign him and especially for a lot of money. That would be dumb. I think some team will take a chance and it will be for the minimum as a back up.

Miami still owns his rights. If re-instated, they can keep him, try to trade him or release him.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He is breaking the law, regardless of your personal view point of weed the fact is it is against the law and it is against the NFL policy.

Every time you go 5 mph over the speed limit, you are breaking the law too.

I guess that makes everyone criminals.

This country is rife with laws designed to create revenue but are patently unenforcable.

 

[Doomsday101]

Every time you go 5 mph over the speed limit, you are breaking the law too.

I guess that makes everyone criminals.

This country is rife with laws designed to create revenue but are patently unenforcable.

True then again it is against the NFL rules and I question the mindset of any player willing to throw away money and a career because he would rather get high. On a personal note I would not care if they made weed legal or not but the fact is it is against the law and a person can be arrested for it. By the way how many people going 5 mile over the speed limit get hauled in? Just as important for football players it is against the league rules is it worth it? Evidently it is to some and I would not want a player who is not dedicated to his profession.

 

[Wrangler87]

Every time you go 5 mph over the speed limit, you are breaking the law too.

I guess that makes everyone criminals.

This country is rife with laws designed to create revenue but are patently unenforcable.

Kind of, but the truth of the matter is, although against the law, speeding is simply a violation, not a crime. Using illegal drugs is at least a misdemeanor in most states.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

True then again it is against the NFL rules and I question the mindset of any player willing to throw away money and a career because he would rather get high. On a personal note I would not care if they made weed legal or not but the fact is it is against the law and a person can be arrested for it. By the way how many people going 5 mile over the speed limit get hauled in? Just as important for football players it is against the league rules is it worth it? Evidently it is to some and I would not want a player who is not dedicated to his profession.

My point is that making characterizations on nonviolent misdemeanors is silly. He left the NFL for a reason and that is that he made a choice to not play football. Hes decided that he wants to come back. I would take him in a heartbeat on the cheap.

He is coachable, will work hard and has a ton of talent. He just decided a few years ago that he wanted to get high and so quit football for a time. If he had decided to spend time with his family because he had 20 kids it wouldnt be an issue but since its to get baked hes a bad bad man.

 

[Doomsday101]

My point is that making characterizations on nonviolent misdemeanors is silly. He left the NFL for a reason and that is that he made a choice to not play football. Hes decided that he wants to come back. I would take him in a heartbeat on the cheap.

He is coachable, will work hard and has a ton of talent. He just decided a few years ago that he wanted to get high and so quit football for a time. If he had decided to spend time with his family because he had 20 kids it wouldnt be an issue but since its to get baked hes a bad bad man.

He went to the CFL because he was not allowed to play in the NFL because he failed his 4th drug test, the moron knew he was going to be tested yet did it any ways? Now either he is a real moron or he has some issues with weed. Either way I would hate to have him on this team and risk some mid-season screwup when it is the toughest time in a season to find a replacement.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He went to the CFL because he was not allowed to play in the NFL because he failed his 4th drug test, the moron knew he was going to be tested yet did it any ways? Now either he is a real moron or he has some issues with weed. Either way I would hate to have him on this team and risk some mid-season screwup when it is the toughest time in a season to find a replacement.

i thought this last one was for a supplement and not for the evil weed.

 

[dalboy]

who is still on that team that he played with before he thought he was finshed with the game.

 

[Doomsday101]

i thought this last one was for a supplement and not for the evil weed.

No he failed the NFL substance abuse policy. I don't care if you or any other fan around here gets high, I do care when our players are getting high and would hate to see a repeat of the down fall of the 90's team because of suspensions that cost us valuable players. If Cinn wants to revisit the mess Dallas got into that is their choice but I would hope Jones learned from the entire BS that was taking place, it is not worth it. Let me also add I have gotten high before, I was also busted and did 30 days because of it, I’m not a prude or some holier than thou fan what I am is a realist and the reality is players getting 4, 8 or 1 year suspensions is worthless to any team and when dealing with a player who has had multiple failures I don’t think he is worth the time, the effort or the money. If a person is serious about the NFL then in the short span of time you get to play this game staying clean should not be an issue and if it is then you really have some issues.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

MIAMI - Troubled running back Ricky Williams is appealing a positive drug test that could force the Miami Dolphins star to sit out the 2006 season, a person familiar with the case said Monday.

If the positive test result is upheld, it would be Williams’ fourth violation of the NFL’s substance-abuse policy, meaning at least a one-year suspension.

Previous positive tests were for marijuana, which Williams acknowledged using. But the latest test involved a drug other than marijuana, said the person, who spoke on condition of anonymity because league policy is to keep test results confidential.

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It could have been ephedrine for all we know.

 

[needforspeed]

Anyone who thinks that it's "just a little weed" needs to talk to me about my stint with Child Protective Services. What people did to their children while they were "high" was enough to make me want to vomit.

 

[joseephuss]

No he failed the NFL substance abuse policy. I don't care if you or any other fan around here gets high, I do care when our players are getting high and would hate to see a repeat of the down fall of the 90's team because of suspensions that cost us valuable players. If Cinn wants to revisit the mess Dallas got into that is their choice but I would hope Jones learned from the entire BS that was taking place, it is not worth it. Let me also add I have gotten high before, I was also busted and did 30 days because of it, I’m not a prude or some holier than thou fan what I am is a realist and the reality is players getting 4, 8 or 1 year suspensions is worthless to any team and when dealing with a player who has had multiple failures I don’t think he is worth the time, the effort or the money. If a person is serious about the NFL then in the short span of time you get to play this game staying clean should not be an issue and if it is then you really have some issues.

On his last failed test, Williams claimed he did not smoke marjiuana. He said he had taken a natural herb and that caused him to fail the test. Can we trust him to be telling the truth? It is possible he is telling the truth, but with three previous failed tests all for marjiuana he leaves plenty of room for doubt. He has stayed clean since that last failed test. Well, he at least has not failed another test, which is not the same as staying clean.

The guy has issues. I would not trust him on my team. If he was a part of the team, I would not rely on him. You have to assume and plan for him not being there a whole season. That is being smart and cautious. I don't think he is trash like some others do. Some guys just aren't cut out for the pressure of a major sport. That doesn't make them bad people.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Anyone who thinks that it's "just a little weed" needs to talk to me about my stint with Child Protective Services. What people did to their children while they were "high" was enough to make me want to vomit.

High on what?

 

[joseephuss]

Anyone who thinks that it's "just a little weed" needs to talk to me about my stint with Child Protective Services. What people did to their children while they were "high" was enough to make me want to vomit.

Bad parents are bad parents. Don't have to be high or drunk to be a bad parent, but that certainly doesn't help. I have had a couple of friends work with CPS. You are right, their stories were sickening.

 

[superpunk]

Anyone who thinks that it's "just a little weed" needs to talk to me about my stint with Child Protective Services. What people did to their children while they were "high" was enough to make me want to vomit.

random.

 

[AbeBeta]

Anyone who thinks that it's "just a little weed" needs to talk to me about my stint with Child Protective Services. What people did to their children while they were "high" was enough to make me want to vomit.

I feel like I just stepped into an episode of Dragnet.

 

[AbeBeta]

On his last failed test, Williams claimed he did not smoke marjiuana. He said he had taken a natural herb and that caused him to fail the test. Can we trust him to be telling the truth? It is possible he is telling the truth, but with three previous failed tests all for marjiuana he leaves plenty of room for doubt. He has stayed clean since that last failed test. Well, he at least has not failed another test, which is not the same as staying clean.

If he's tested regularly he'd have to be pretty clean -- marijuana is fat soluble so it is detectable for a long time. Coke, meth, heroin, etc. all clear very quickly from the system. So ironically, the drug testing system is less likely to catch the seriously damaging stuff.