RIP, Beth Chapman

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It does make you wonder. They’ve made some progress. My other brother had throat cancer and he’s in remission after chemo and radiation. A lot of it has to do with how early you get diagnosed. As for lung cancer, there’s 2 types, small cell (the worst and strictly caused by smoking) and non-small cell lung cancer. The latter can be beat. The former can’t. It’s like an onion. Every chemo session kills a layer, but there’s just another one underneath.
Cancer scares the **** out of me to be quite honest. Had my prostrate removed robotically 3 years ago due to psa level increase one year. Anyway, I had 100% zero issues pretty much right after surgery that many experience for quite some time. Actually everything is better than it was prior which is experienced by a small percentage of people. Anyway, I think what I am trying to say is that I believe we are in the age where we should have the right to have access to a “death cocktail”. I believe although I do not know for sure that I would like to make my own decision if and when the time ever comes.
 

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Cancer scares the **** out of me to be quite honest. Had my prostrate removed robotically 3 years ago due to psa level increase one year. Anyway, I had 100% zero issues pretty much right after surgery that many experience for quite some time. Actually everything is better than it was prior which is experienced by a small percentage of people. Anyway, I think what I am trying to say is that I believe we are in the age where we should have the right to have access to a “death cocktail”. I believe although I do not know for sure that I would like to make my own decision if and when the time ever comes.
It’s interesting you brought up the end of life decision. Towards the end, the last couple of days, my brother asked for more and more morphine to the point where it made him sleep until he passed. Is that a death cocktail? I don’t think so, it was just relief from the pain. In certain realms of being it’s more acceptable to ask for the morphine to relieve the pain than to ask for a death cocktail. I know him better than anyone and he would never ask for a death cocktail.
 

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Cancer scares the **** out of me to be quite honest. Had my prostrate removed robotically 3 years ago due to psa level increase one year. Anyway, I had 100% zero issues pretty much right after surgery that many experience for quite some time. Actually everything is better than it was prior which is experienced by a small percentage of people. Anyway, I think what I am trying to say is that I believe we are in the age where we should have the right to have access to a “death cocktail”. I believe although I do not know for sure that I would like to make my own decision if and when the time ever comes.

There are certain states that allow that. I know Oregon is one. The only problem is that a Dr. has to say you have less than 6 months to live in order for it to be legal to help a person out. I'm sure that law helps a lot of people there.
 

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What does everyone think about her stopping treatment? I think it’s a personal choice in consultation with her Onocologist.

It's her life. Her decision. I don't value the sanctity of life. If she felt like she would be miserable for her last days, then I definitely respect the decision.
 

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It's her life. Her decision. I don't value the sanctity of life. If she felt like she would be miserable for her last days, then I definitely respect the decision.
I didn’t say anything differently.
 

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What does everyone think about her stopping treatment? I think it’s a personal choice in consultation with her Onocologist.

I agree that it's up to the person and nobody should be forced into treatment that they don't want. I've had loved ones who chose to stop treatments and it sucks, but it was their decision. I wasn't about to waste remaining time with them getting mad at them and arguing about it.

Sorry about the loss of your brother.
 

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It does make you wonder. They’ve made some progress. My other brother had throat cancer and he’s in remission after chemo and radiation. A lot of it has to do with how early you get diagnosed. As for lung cancer, there’s 2 types, small cell (the worst and strictly caused by smoking) and non-small cell lung cancer. The latter can be beat. The former can’t. It’s like an onion. Every chemo session kills a layer, but there’s just another one underneath.

I lost my father in September of 2018 to small cell stage 4 lung cancer. He was a non-smoker and had never smoked in his life. It's rare, but doesn't have to be smoking related. He was diagnosed in February of 2018 and 7 months later he was gone. He'd been the picture of health and regular doctor visits to that point and the only reason he even approached his doctor was because of abdominal bloating. He chose the chemo path and had very positive results after his first round. We really felt like we had it beat until we got results after the next round of chemo and found the tumors had continued to spread. I think that took the wind out of him and it spiraled down hill after that quickly. He had a mild heart attack next that he didn't even know about and then a failing gallbladder put him in the ER. He never left the hospital after that. He tried hard to beat it so he could see my son and his only grandson graduate from high school, but the cancer just didn't want to give it up. I lost him on September 11th of all days as if that date wasn't crap enough. He was only 71 and had no preexisting health concerns. In the end I don't know if the chemo really helped or possibly made him weaker and brought on the end faster, but I don't think there's a right or wrong answer there. I'd lost a my grandmother to breast cancer and it was tough, but losing my father was a whole different ball game and continues to be a daily struggle as I'm sure it is with a sibling. I tell young people to have more than one kid all the time. I'm an only child and would have killed to have had someone else to help me through the experience.
 

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I lost my father in September of 2018 to small cell stage 4 lung cancer. He was a non-smoker and had never smoked in his life. It's rare, but doesn't have to be smoking related. He was diagnosed in February of 2018 and 7 months later he was gone. He'd been the picture of health and regular doctor visits to that point and the only reason he even approached his doctor was because of abdominal bloating. He chose the chemo path and had very positive results after his first round. We really felt like we had it beat until we got results after the next round of chemo and found the tumors had continued to spread. I think that took the wind out of him and it spiraled down hill after that quickly. He had a mild heart attack next that he didn't even know about and then a failing gallbladder put him in the ER. He never left the hospital after that. He tried hard to beat it so he could see my son and his only grandson graduate from high school, but the cancer just didn't want to give it up. I lost him on September 11th of all days as if that date wasn't crap enough. He was only 71 and had no preexisting health concerns. In the end I don't know if the chemo really helped or possibly made him weaker and brought on the end faster, but I don't think there's a right or wrong answer there. I'd lost a my grandmother to breast cancer and it was tough, but losing my father was a whole different ball game and continues to be a daily struggle as I'm sure it is with a sibling. I tell young people to have more than one kid all the time. I'm an only child and would have killed to have had someone else to help me through the experience.
Man that’s tough. Sorry for your loss. Some cancers do respond well to chemo and or radiation and some just don’t. Was he around 2nd hand smoke at all?
 

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I lost my father in September of 2018 to small cell stage 4 lung cancer. He was a non-smoker and had never smoked in his life. It's rare, but doesn't have to be smoking related. He was diagnosed in February of 2018 and 7 months later he was gone. He'd been the picture of health and regular doctor visits to that point and the only reason he even approached his doctor was because of abdominal bloating. He chose the chemo path and had very positive results after his first round. We really felt like we had it beat until we got results after the next round of chemo and found the tumors had continued to spread. I think that took the wind out of him and it spiraled down hill after that quickly. He had a mild heart attack next that he didn't even know about and then a failing gallbladder put him in the ER. He never left the hospital after that. He tried hard to beat it so he could see my son and his only grandson graduate from high school, but the cancer just didn't want to give it up. I lost him on September 11th of all days as if that date wasn't crap enough. He was only 71 and had no preexisting health concerns. In the end I don't know if the chemo really helped or possibly made him weaker and brought on the end faster, but I don't think there's a right or wrong answer there. I'd lost a my grandmother to breast cancer and it was tough, but losing my father was a whole different ball game and continues to be a daily struggle as I'm sure it is with a sibling. I tell young people to have more than one kid all the time. I'm an only child and would have killed to have had someone else to help me through the experience.

Sorry about your loss, especially as an only child. Having siblings isn't a guarantee of having someone help you get through it. Some families get into bitter feuds over inheritance of all things. That happened on my mom's side. On my dad's side, siblings got together and supported each other and hardly cared about who got what.

Still, having siblings to even have the possibility of support is definitely better. I can't imagine having to shoulder that without a sibling.

I wonder if it was something like exposure to asbestos or some other substance since he didn't smoke. There are a ton of carcinogens out there that were commonly used before they found out just how bad they were.
 

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Re-reading some articles, she called it poison, which it is, but it's a double edged sword with the upside of at least treating the cancer.

Can't judge a person making a decision they are at peace with. Just hope her family was on board with it too.

My friends wife passed from cancer going on two years ago. He compared the treatment to injecting battery acid into his wife. I saw what it did to my grandfather, although I was very young at the time. I've also seen what it did to two friends of mine before they passed. They fought until the very end. After seeing that, I always told myself that it would not be worth the pain and agony for a few extra months of life and that I'd let the cancer take it's course. To be honest, I really don't know what I'd do. I hope I never have to make that decision.

I don't think I know of anyone that has not felt the sting of cancer in their family. There are times I really don't think this disease will ever be cured, or that they even want to cure it. But I feel for everyone here that's been affected by it.

Anyway, RIP Beth. I hope your family at least has the comfort of knowing you are no longer suffering...
 
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Man that’s tough. Sorry for your loss. Some cancers do respond well to chemo and or radiation and some just don’t. Was he around 2nd hand smoke at all?
No second hand smoke and no asbestos or anything like that. His Dr. described it to us as a random event without a know cause but also said it could be a change in the DNA of the lung cells. He said that while it was rare, that they continue to find cancers with no explanation and factors that they just can't explain yet.

It was remarkably fast. 7 months, but the first 5 you could hardly tell he was sick. He was already bald so the hair loss wasn't really noticeable and he lost very little weight even with the chemo. He maintained a descent appetite and continued going to the gym doing light work for months after diagnosis. But the final two months just plummeted and when they did I could tell he'd quit and was ready to throw in the towel. They tried sending him to a specialist in San Antonio, but by the time he got there they said there was nothing that could be done.
 

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My brother was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer last November. Dr.’s said about 4-6 months without chemo and up to 9 months with chemo. He chose the chemo and lasted 7 months. He had no regrets because it gave him time to reconnect with many friends and family .
Sorry about your brother man. Condolences and glad he got a little more time.
 

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I lost my father in September of 2018 to small cell stage 4 lung cancer. He was a non-smoker and had never smoked in his life. It's rare, but doesn't have to be smoking related. He was diagnosed in February of 2018 and 7 months later he was gone. He'd been the picture of health and regular doctor visits to that point and the only reason he even approached his doctor was because of abdominal bloating. He chose the chemo path and had very positive results after his first round. We really felt like we had it beat until we got results after the next round of chemo and found the tumors had continued to spread. I think that took the wind out of him and it spiraled down hill after that quickly. He had a mild heart attack next that he didn't even know about and then a failing gallbladder put him in the ER. He never left the hospital after that. He tried hard to beat it so he could see my son and his only grandson graduate from high school, but the cancer just didn't want to give it up. I lost him on September 11th of all days as if that date wasn't crap enough. He was only 71 and had no preexisting health concerns. In the end I don't know if the chemo really helped or possibly made him weaker and brought on the end faster, but I don't think there's a right or wrong answer there. I'd lost a my grandmother to breast cancer and it was tough, but losing my father was a whole different ball game and continues to be a daily struggle as I'm sure it is with a sibling. I tell young people to have more than one kid all the time. I'm an only child and would have killed to have had someone else to help me through the experience.
Sorry about your loss. Peace brother.
 
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