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[Trendnet]

Being against police brutality isn't being anti-police.

We live in a binary world. It's either/or. People don't want (or more likely cannot understand) nuanced and complex answers.

 

[Nightman]

Exactly! But the officers were also taking pictures with the protesters too. Taking pictures is not a part of their duty.



You do know that there were members of the protest pointing out to police where the bullets were coming from?

Second, why should they have a pro-police rally? That's like having a pro-parent rally. Police do what they're supposed to do. You don't have a rally when people do what they're supposed to do. Besides, there are days set aside to honor military veterans and law enforcement. There's your pro-police rally.

Look, you just don't like the fact that there are protests against police brutality because from your life experience, the police have never violated your rights. But that's not the experience of every one. Hench, the protest.
If you're so interested in pro-police rallies, then why don't you organize one. But stop telling others what they should do with their time.




And when police abuse their authority, protests are going to happen.



Yeah, and because blacks asked to be treated fairly in the 50s and 60s, churches and homes were bombed and protesters were beat up. And there were those who blamed the leaders of the Civil Rights Movement for inciting violence.

Evil and violent people will use ANY cause to give vent to their nefarious desires.



No. They would understand that you are addressing a greater issue from where you are. At least those whose understanding allows them to entertain the nuances of life.
The issue of police brutality is greater than Dallas. And the people of Dallas wanted others across the nation to see that they stand in solidarity with the people of other cities whose police departments employ such brutal and questionable practices.

It's really not that hard to understand.

You just can't admit that a large percentage of those protesting harbor very negative thoughts towards the police......every protest is different but they aren't out there in support of the the cops, at all.....I saw a young teenage girl with a "No justice No Peace" sign and as the camera panned on her she shouted "F@#$ the Police"....those that were generally Pro-cop but just angry about a few cases would be a much smaller percentage

I can admit that the Police have harassed, stopped, arrested and even shot a lot of innocent black people....but the number of incidents overall is a very small percentage and don't act like it is only black men....I live in a small beach town and get pulled over all the time for non-speeding reasons.....the cops today are a huge revenue stream for their towns and counties and every stop leads to a fishing expedition of possible violations......I work less than 5 miles from my home and some nights I will pass 3 cops and my neighborhood is 95% white

To me the Baton Rogue case looked like a legitimate shooting....he waved a gun at someone and the police arrived he resisted and at one point it looked like he may have been fighting for his gun, which was real....cops can't lose a fist fight....they are armed will likely be killed if they lose control of their weapon..

The MINN case looks really really bad for the cop....the stop itself for a tail light is a BS stop...why did the cop even have his gun drawn?...the man had a license to carry...everything else was off camera but the cop screwed up bad is the only logical conclusion to a minor traffic stop that ends in death...

Most people are angry with the BLM movement because it has been hijacked by those with radical agendas...the amount of violence and unrest is not commiserate with the actual numbers.....90% of blacks are killed by other other blacks, only 8% by white.......135 blacks have been killed by the police but 279 whites have been killed, 90 Latinos and even 15 Native Americans.....it is not a racial thing and most of these shootings are justified....look how bad the Freddie Gray case is falling apart in Baltimore once it saw the inside of a courtroom instead the intersection of a riot.....

 

[Kaiser]

To me the Baton Rogue case looked like a legitimate shooting....he waved a gun at someone and the police arrived he resisted and at one point it looked like he may have been fighting for his gun, which was real....cops can't lose a fist fight....they are armed will likely be killed if they lose control of their weapon..

The MINN case looks really really bad for the cop....the stop itself for a tail light is a BS stop...why did the cop even have his gun drawn?...the man had a license to carry...everything else was off camera but the cop screwed up bad is the only logical conclusion to a minor traffic stop that ends in death...

There is absolutely cases where the black community is harassed. But most of these high profile shooting cases are completely sensationalized in the media before the facts come out. "Hands up, Don't Shoot" never happened but its taken as an established fact in the media.

There are cases where bad cops kill people and others where the shooting is legitimate but sensationalized. We don't know the facts of the Baton Rogue case but the victim did have a long criminal record involving violence and gun possession. It will take time to know what really happened.

The other big issue IMO is cases like Tamir Rice, where the cop wasn't charged with a crime but was very poorly trained and was a guy that should never have been wearing a badge to begin with. It ends up as a situation that never should have happened, but no criminal charges stick.

 

[Dodger12]

The MINN case looks really really bad for the cop....the stop itself for a tail light is a BS stop...why did the cop even have his gun drawn?...the man had a license to carry...everything else was off camera but the cop screwed up bad is the only logical conclusion to a minor traffic stop that ends in death...

That narrative is starting to fall apart. He wasn't stopped for a busted tail light, but rather because the vehicle and occupant match the description of an armed robbery suspect. Also, the concealed carry permit has yet to be confirmed and the guy's Facebook identified him as a gang affiliate. It also appears the officer warned the deceased to not reach for his weapon which was, conveniently, in his thigh/hip area rather than a holster where most folks would have their weapon, especially if they were being stopped by the police.

People took his girlfriend's narrative and ran with it, facts be damned.

 

[Nightman]

That narrative is starting to fall apart. He wasn't stopped for a busted tail light, but rather because the vehicle and occupant match the description of an armed robbery suspect. Also, the concealed carry permit has yet to be confirmed and the guy's Facebook identified him as a gang affiliate. It also appears the officer warned the deceased to not reach for his weapon which was, conveniently, in his thigh/hip area rather than a holster where most folks would have their weapon, especially if they were being stopped by the police.

People took his girlfriend's narrative and ran with it, facts be damned.

That is the same thing I just heard from my father.....he said the cop only drew his weapon because he saw the gun in the guys lap and not holstered...but that is why it is so ludicrous to act on these cases before any of the facts are determined.....I was just giving my armchair, instant analysis opinion, which is as meaningless as those screaming bloody murder or business as usual

 

[tyke1doe]

You just can't admit that a large percentage of those protesting harbor very negative thoughts towards the police

Yes, I can admit it. They have negative thoughts about police based on police brutality. But you didn't hear many if any in the protest saying, "The Dallas police got what they deserved."

Again, you're thinking binary. And that's why you have difficulty acknowledging the protest and the idea that the protesters still respect what the police do.

......every protest is different but they aren't out there in support of the the cops, at all.....I saw a young teenage girl with a "No justice No Peace" sign and as the camera panned on her she shouted "F@#$ the Police"....those that were generally Pro-cop but just angry about a few cases would be a much smaller percentage

So you're making what a "young teenage girl" says representative of the protest movement?
Young people are often idealistic yet lacking common sense. Remember when you were a teenager?

I can admit that the Police have harassed, stopped, arrested and even shot a lot of innocent black people....but the number of incidents overall is a very small percentage and don't act like it is only black men.

Who said it is "only" black men?
Second, so just because it's a small percentage, we shouldn't be concerned about police brutality?
Third, a disproportionate number of black men are killed by police than white men killed by police, based on statistics from 2015.

...I live in a small beach town and get pulled over all the time for non-speeding reasons.....the cops today are a huge revenue stream for their towns and counties and every stop leads to a fishing expedition of possible violations......I work less than 5 miles from my home and some nights I will pass 3 cops and my neighborhood is 95% white

Thank you for sharing your story. Fortunately, you're alive to share it.

To me the Baton Rogue case looked like a legitimate shooting....he waved a gun at someone and the police arrived he resisted and at one point it looked like he may have been fighting for his gun, which was real....cops can't lose a fist fight....they are armed will likely be killed if they lose control of their weapon..

Interesting, so you take the written account over the actual video. Heh!

The MINN case looks really really bad for the cop....the stop itself for a tail light is a BS stop...why did the cop even have his gun drawn?...the man had a license to carry...everything else was off camera but the cop screwed up bad is the only logical conclusion to a minor traffic stop that ends in death...

Hence the protests.

Most people are angry with the BLM movement because it has been hijacked by those with radical agendas...the amount of violence and unrest is not commiserate with the actual numbers.....90% of blacks are killed by other other blacks, only 8% by white.......135 blacks have been killed by the police but 279 whites have been killed, 90 Latinos and even 15 Native Americans.....it is not a racial thing and most of these shootings are justified....look how bad the Freddie Gray case is falling apart in Baltimore once it saw the inside of a courtroom instead the intersection of a riot.....

What is BLM "radical" agenda? Is it the same "radical" agenda that the Civil Rights Movement had when it was accused of courting communists?
Critics always try to delegitimize organizations, groups and causes they do not like.
Second, people who sit on their behinds are always in position to tell others who are active what they should or shouldn't be doing.
Third, if you don't mind, please don't quote me numbers but provide me a link so I can investigate myself. Thank you.

 

[tyke1doe]

That narrative is starting to fall apart. He wasn't stopped for a busted tail light, but rather because the vehicle and occupant match the description of an armed robbery suspect. Also, the concealed carry permit has yet to be confirmed and the guy's Facebook identified him as a gang affiliate. It also appears the officer warned the deceased to not reach for his weapon which was, conveniently, in his thigh/hip area rather than a holster where most folks would have their weapon, especially if they were being stopped by the police.

People took his girlfriend's narrative and ran with it, facts be damned.

You may want to read this link before you invest in that narrative. Philando Castile Was Not Wanted for Armed Robber

 

[Nightman]

Yes, I can admit it. They have negative thoughts about police based on police brutality. But you didn't hear many if any in the protest saying, "The Dallas police got what they deserved."

Again, you're thinking binary. And that's why you have difficulty acknowledging the protest and the idea that the protesters still respect what the police do.



So you're making what a "young teenage girl" says representative of the protest movement?
Young people are often idealistic yet lacking common sense. Remember when you were a teenager?



Who said it is "only" black men?
Second, so just because it's a small percentage, we shouldn't be concerned about police brutality?
Third, a disproportionate number of black men are killed by police than white men killed by police, based on statistics from 2015.



Thank you for sharing your story. Fortunately, you're alive to share it.



Interesting, so you take the written account over the actual video. Heh!



Hence the protests.



What is BLM "radical" agenda? Is it the same "radical" agenda that the Civil Rights Movement had when it was accused of courting communists?
Critics always try to delegitimize organizations, groups and causes they do not like.
Second, people who sit on their behinds are always in position to tell others who are active what they should or shouldn't be doing.
Third, if you don't mind, please don't quote me numbers but provide me a link so I can investigate myself. Thank you.

You obviously have an excuse for everything are not interested in having a honest debate

 

[tyke1doe]

You obviously have an excuse for everything are not interested in having a honest debate

I thought we were having an honest debate?
I guess honest debate means I have to agree with you and concede that your perspective is the correct one.
Oh, well. Viva la diversity.

 

[Dodger12]

You may want to read this link before you invest in that narrative. Philando Castile Was Not Wanted for Armed Robber

What is in that article that doesn't jive with what I posted? The reason Castile was stopped is made clear. I never said he was a "suspect," which is a point made in the article, but that the vehicle and occupant matched the description of the armed robber. It has not been confirmed that Castle had a conceal carry permit. And even if he did, you probably don't want your weapon unholstered or in view of the authorities when they stop you. Bad things usually happen.

 

[Trendnet]

And even if he did, you probably don't want your weapon unholstered or in view of the authorities when they stop you. Bad things usually happen.

Minnesota has an open carry law.