Rob Rang Mock

[Leadbelly]

Harris doesn't fit the type we go for, size wise or athlete wise. Also, he's garbage if his first move doesn't work, he's on the ground often, and sucks vs the run.

As far as the mock, I go Quincy Wilson, CB.

 

[The Realist]

Harris doesn't fit the type we go for, size wise or athlete wise. Also, he's garbage if his first move doesn't work, he's on the ground often, and sucks vs the run.

As far as the mock, I go Quincy Wilson, CB.

What size WDE's do we typically go for?

 

[Oh_Canada]

That's coaching though. If you think everyone on our dline had a nonstop motor in college I gotta laugh at you. (Not you in particular)

No but if they were lazy in college, chances are it won't be much different in the pros.

 

[stilltheguru88]

No but if they were lazy in college, chances are it won't be much different in the pros.

True but again, watch the tape. Vs wvu I didn't see a guy with a bad motor. As far as hustling to plays yeah but that's coaching as I said.



Game was out of hand. Tell me if you really see a bad motor.

As for the guy saying he's not our body type. He's projected the same height and weight as Dlaw and he's much faster/quicker.

 

[The Realist]

True but again, watch the tape. Vs wvu I didn't see a guy with a bad motor. As far as hustling to plays yeah but that's coaching as I said.



Game was out of hand. Tell me if you really see a bad motor.

As for the guy saying he's not our body type. He's projected the same height and weight as Dlaw and he's much faster/quicker.

Not only similar size as DLaw was coming out by extremely close to McKinley, Lawson, Landry, Garrett, Smoot and Willis. All are 255-260.

 

[Leadbelly]

What size WDE's do we typically go for?

In the Marinelli years, we've either drafted or extended pre-draft invites to 21 DEs and 15 were 6'4" or taller with reach.

Nobody under 6'3" (ok, technically DLaw is 6'2 7/8") and the guys right on that border need to have wingspan and size potential to get up around 270 lbs. Two of the five 6'3" guys had short arms -- Eli Harold, who plays OLB now, and Scott Crichton, who busted. Lawrence has reach; 11" hands and almost 34" arms. Harris looks cut from stumpier folk but the combine will verify.

He's right on the border pre-combine. If he loses an inch at the combine like many players, he will drop or need to show something at 34OLB. McKinley and Lawson will be in the same boat. They're already listed at 6'2".

 

[The Realist]

In the Marinelli years, we've either drafted or extended pre-draft invites to 21 DEs and 15 were 6'4" or taller with reach.

Nobody under 6'3" (ok, technically DLaw is 6'2 7/8") and the guys right on that border need to have wingspan and size potential to get up around 270 lbs. Two of the five 6'3" guys had short arms -- Eli Harold, who plays OLB now, and Scott Crichton, who busted. Lawrence has reach; 11" hands and almost 34" arms. Harris looks cut from stumpier folk but the combine will verify.

He's right on the border pre-combine. If he loses an inch at the combine like many players, he will drop or need to show something at 34OLB. McKinley and Lawson will be in the same boat. They're already listed at 6'2".

You're way over thinking it. 6-3 ish, 255+ ish or there abouts is the right size. Most important traits are the burst and athleticism, then length.

Charles Tapper says hello.

 

[Leadbelly]

True but again, watch the tape. Vs wvu I didn't see a guy with a bad motor. As far as hustling to plays yeah but that's coaching as I said.



Game was out of hand. Tell me if you really see a bad motor.

As for the guy saying he's not our body type. He's projected the same height and weight as Dlaw and he's much faster/quicker.

DLaw is looking like a mistake at this point. Not sure that's the litmus test to roll with to prove a point but so be it. Also, you're comparing official combine size vs college program size. Guys have a funny way of shrinking at the combine. Also also, it's not solely about height/weight but also reach.

 

[stilltheguru88]

In the Marinelli years, we've either drafted or extended pre-draft invites to 21 DEs and 15 were 6'4" or taller with reach.

Nobody under 6'3" (ok, technically DLaw is 6'2 7/8") and the guys right on that border need to have wingspan and size potential to get up around 270 lbs. Two of the five 6'3" guys had short arms -- Eli Harold, who plays OLB now, and Scott Crichton, who busted. Lawrence has reach; 11" hands and almost 34" arms. Harris looks cut from stumpier folk but the combine will verify.

He's right on the border pre-combine. If he loses an inch at the combine like many players, he will drop or need to show something at 34OLB. McKinley and Lawson will be in the same boat. They're already listed at 6'2".

So what DEs should we be looking at sir? Do tell

 

[Leadbelly]

You're way over thinking it. 6-3 ish, 255+ ish or there abouts is the right size. Most important traits are the burst and athleticism, then length.

Charles Tapper says hello.

No length usually means the OT gets in the DE's chest and he's getting driven around like Miss Daisy. It's win at the snap or bust for those guys.

I will also predict Harris doesn't test as well as some expect. He might be acceptable in a straight line -- somewhere in territory of low to mid 4.7s -- but I don't think he tests well in the shuttles or cone.

As for Tapper, he was 6'3" and 270 with a frame to get bigger, 34 1/2" arms, 11 1/2" hands and ran the fastest 40 for DEs at 4.59. He was exactly the SPARQ athlete McClay and Garrett go for. Also, a 4th rounder.

 

[CATCH17]

DLaw is looking like a mistake at this point. Not sure that's the litmus test to roll with to prove a point but so be it. Also, you're comparing official combine size vs college program size. Guys have a funny way of shrinking at the combine. Also also, it's not solely about height/weight but also reach.

Im not the biggest Lawrence fan but I think he would've been a really solid Left D end for us.


None of us know right now how bad his back is. Hopefully he can be himself next year.

I'll take a 8 sack a year guy from that spot.

 

[Leadbelly]

So what DEs should we be looking at sir? Do tell

For RD1
Derek Barnett -- Depending where we draft and if he drops a little. Would be a reasonable worthy trade up.
Taco Charlton, Michigan -- exact fit.
Harold Landry, Boston College -- in the 6'3" zone but looks to have reach to compensate, has the burst and can bend around edge.
TJ Watt, Wisconsin -- if the knee injuries of a couple years ago check out and he declares

A few after RD1
Jordan Willis, K St. -- He's on the ground a lot but great Demarcus Ware build. I can see the appeal. If he declares.
Duwuane Smoot, Illinois -- Looks to have long arms but doesn't use them yet. Needs work. Will depend on testing. Seems limited to LDE.
Tanoh Kpassagnon, Villanova
Deatrich Wise, Arkansas
Al-Quadin Muhammed, Miami -- if he declares. Plays OLB but rushes often. Kind of a Leonard Floyd type.
Chad Thomas, Miami -- if he declares.
Vince Biegel, Wisconsin
Tarell Basham, Ohio
Daeshon Hall, Texas A&M -- Listed at 260-270...I don't know where he keeps it. Very narrow build but has some tools.

Davin Bellamy and Lorenzo Carter of Georgia would also be on the radar but they've "said" they're returning for their Senior year. See if this holds.

 

[Leadbelly]

Im not the biggest Lawrence fan but I think he would've been a really solid Left D end for us.


None of us know right now how bad his back is. Hopefully he can be himself next year.

I'll take a 8 sack a year guy from that spot.

Hopefully. Very disappointing year when nearly everything else went right. Suspension, then out of shape, then injury. Huge let down after a promising end of 2015.

Forecast is cloudy. Contract year next year.

 

[CATCH17]

Hopefully. Very disappointing year when nearly everything else went right. Suspension, then out of shape, then injury. Huge let down after a promising end of 2015.

Forecast is cloudy. Contract year next year.

I think he has had the injury since training camp or longer.

Regardless we need another DL.


I'm thinking Sheldon Richardson is a guy we are going to target.

 

[xwalker]

You're way over thinking it. 6-3 ish, 255+ ish or there abouts is the right size. Most important traits are the burst and athleticism, then length.

Charles Tapper says hello.

Tapper has long arms (34-3/8").

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

True but again, watch the tape. Vs wvu I didn't see a guy with a bad motor. As far as hustling to plays yeah but that's coaching as I said.

Game was out of hand. Tell me if you really see a bad motor.

As for the guy saying he's not our body type. He's projected the same height and weight as Dlaw and he's much faster/quicker.

Questions of hustle/motor aside, I'm just not enamored with Harris. That game against WVU was not a great showing IMO; I don't see a dynamic player there.

I'm hoping for something better with our first pick.